Delsyd
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or it could be great.
My first couple experiences with mushrooms and LSD were all overwhelming, but so awe inspiring it had me coming back for more.
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My first couple experiences with mushrooms and LSD were all overwhelming, but so awe inspiring it had me coming back for more.
Sega420
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sup guys? been a while since ive been in PD. seeing as i have just under 2g AM2201, 460mg of DMT, and about 31 tabs of 80ug acid, i thought a return would be fitting. 
how has everyone been? its been a while as i said. my daughter has been born, same date as my bro n sis's birthday, and ive just been working away, getting on with things.
i picked up a half g of dmt tonight, tried it for the first time properly. OH MY GOD. what an experience!
i used my all glass straight tube bong, with 3 screens in the bowl laid atop one another. weighed out 42mg and loaded ~around~ 38mg. held the lighter an inch above and vaped and inhaled it slowly. held it in til it was all gone and laid down on my bed as i exhaled.
Such an intense rush! like being shot out of a cannon. lights became brighter and colour turned up to full volume, tried to keep my eyes open but i got the distinct vibe it wanted me to close them;
upon which i saw the most beautiful spiralling checkered criss-cross patterning, in reddish purple hues. the euphoria was intense and it was generally a lovely experience i am grateful for. im thoroughly blown away
sitting chilling the now, just finished a nice curry and my vape should be heated up by now.
Such a good song (the real smooth shit. and from Russia by the way, pretty funky for russian boys)
how has everyone been? its been a while as i said. my daughter has been born, same date as my bro n sis's birthday, and ive just been working away, getting on with things.
i picked up a half g of dmt tonight, tried it for the first time properly. OH MY GOD. what an experience!
i used my all glass straight tube bong, with 3 screens in the bowl laid atop one another. weighed out 42mg and loaded ~around~ 38mg. held the lighter an inch above and vaped and inhaled it slowly. held it in til it was all gone and laid down on my bed as i exhaled.
Such an intense rush! like being shot out of a cannon. lights became brighter and colour turned up to full volume, tried to keep my eyes open but i got the distinct vibe it wanted me to close them;
upon which i saw the most beautiful spiralling checkered criss-cross patterning, in reddish purple hues. the euphoria was intense and it was generally a lovely experience i am grateful for. im thoroughly blown away
sitting chilling the now, just finished a nice curry and my vape should be heated up by now.
Such a good song (the real smooth shit. and from Russia by the way, pretty funky for russian boys)
PepperSocks
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^ I know, right? I'm not really the type to jump on the fresh-on-the-market RC bandwagon. I like to just sit back and patiently observe all of the trials and mishaps of the guinea pigs.
What made me look into it was Delsyd's reports of social lubricant qualities and relaxedness. I find it rather stimulating though, it will make my face all grinny, and give me some jaw clench.
I have relatively no tolerance to any drug. I always take intervals with everything so tolerance never builds. My first MXE trip was like 300mg of DXM and it was with 20mg subling, then ~10 snorted. It hit me pretty hard and then I realized I needed to dose lower to remain functional. 15mg is a nice empathogenic couch lying, reflective high, but still a bit much for socializing.
About it being 'all the rage', I agree. I usually wait for a while for things to settle out before trying something. It's been around for a year now, so IMO I'm dabbling after the rage. The way 6-APB came out was ridiculous and totally turned me off of trying it. I see what you guys mean.
Jealous
You have the MXE tolerance of someone who desensitized his NMDA receptors with ketamine
Doses like what you use to go out and socialize would put me in jail or the psych ward.
I had an interesting experience with the stuff tonight. I took ~7mg of diazepam and ~6mg MXE and half an hour later had to drive a short bit down the road (boonies), well, fuck me, not doing that again. I can drive on diazepam fine, just take into account that I'm not so tired that I pass out and drive slowly. But MXE, even ~6mg is enough to discombobulate and make the simple every-day task a real challenge. I won't be doing that one again.
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Oh Roger, I wanted to chime in on your thoughts about pharmacokinetics, etc. That post you made went over my head a bit, I haven't learned much on SAR yet but through personal experience with ROA's of lots of things I universally find oral to be the ultimate route for just about everything except ketamine (snorting for that one).
Oral dosing always provides a smoother, more 'empathogenic', psychological high, for all drugs. The faster the onset, the stronger it is, maybe it will be have more of a rush effect, but qualitatively oral consumption always provides a more smooth and longer lasting, cleaner, happier high.
I think onset time has a huge factor with how receptor binding happens and how the experience is produced.
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Thorns Have Roses
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Hey sega, nice to see you around. I don't think I've spoken to you since I was a total n00b.
Silly rabbit, trix are for kids, and opiates are for IV-ing (well not hydrocodone, or codeine or stuff of that sort, of course). GABAergics are all around good for oral though.
Silly rabbit, trix are for kids, and opiates are for IV-ing (well not hydrocodone, or codeine or stuff of that sort, of course). GABAergics are all around good for oral though.
PepperSocks
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^ I'll give ya that one. Oxy is in the oral group as well. 1st pass > oxymorphone and higher BA than snorting. If I ever extract my own morphine base though I plan to vape it in a test tube. I sorta consider vaporization as similar to IV but a step down. I don't have any IV experience (other than god awfully lovely IV morphine and IV fentanyl in the hospital with a broken arm).
I like my opiates. I had some oxy tonight actually. It's just the opiates I use don't lend themselves to IV'ing. As much as I would like to try a hit of heroin, I just know even if I did find it here it would be cut to shit with god knows-what and I wouldn't put that shit directly in my veins. I'd be much more comfortble finding an IR hydromorphone and doing a proper pill shot preparation that inject large amounts of unknown cutting agents. If I could buy 90+% Marseilles heroin like in the days of the French Connection I might be more inclined.
OTOH there's the Pandora's box effect. After IV heroin, Oxy just might not make the grade anymore. Also, I have enough trouble keeping myself clean as it is, no need for new highly addictive dangers.
These days I'm always on a schedule of amphetamine by day, benzo+sometimes opie at night. Stress and workload makes me do drugs. Modern life demands drug use for those who feel overwhelmed by it all. That's my theory on it anyway.
I like my opiates. I had some oxy tonight actually. It's just the opiates I use don't lend themselves to IV'ing. As much as I would like to try a hit of heroin, I just know even if I did find it here it would be cut to shit with god knows-what and I wouldn't put that shit directly in my veins. I'd be much more comfortble finding an IR hydromorphone and doing a proper pill shot preparation that inject large amounts of unknown cutting agents. If I could buy 90+% Marseilles heroin like in the days of the French Connection I might be more inclined.
OTOH there's the Pandora's box effect. After IV heroin, Oxy just might not make the grade anymore. Also, I have enough trouble keeping myself clean as it is, no need for new highly addictive dangers.
These days I'm always on a schedule of amphetamine by day, benzo+sometimes opie at night. Stress and workload makes me do drugs. Modern life demands drug use for those who feel overwhelmed by it all. That's my theory on it anyway.
Thorns Have Roses
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Disclaimer: to make clear, I do not advocate starting IV use if you haven't yet already, it tends to change everything. Anyway, people spoiled with powder shouldn't complain about cuts in their H, think of us Californians/folks in the American West! <sigh> I hope to avoid that stuff in the future, but I have a powerful feeling that that will not happen.
Modern society does demand drugs from some folk, 'specially those of us ill equiped to deal with existence in an alienating, fast paced, capitalistic society.
Modern society does demand drugs from some folk, 'specially those of us ill equiped to deal with existence in an alienating, fast paced, capitalistic society.
PepperSocks
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Heh, better than the alternative. I don't have much desire to emigrate to North Korea.
From a recent reading in an Ottawa newspaper, thought you might like it. Out of all bad systems, capitalism is the least bad.
From a recent reading in an Ottawa newspaper, thought you might like it. Out of all bad systems, capitalism is the least bad.
Thorns Have Roses
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I'm not buyin' it, it's only nice for you if you have a source of income, aren't under constant threat of homelessness, and have medical insurance/NHS. I would much prefer to have been born in Cuba (yes I am fully aware of the extent of their problems, but I would prefer the problems of living there to those of living here), ya'know the one remaining decent revolutionary socialist state. I find the small percentage of citizens who capitalism just throws out into the gutter and ignores to be morally unacceptable, and the higher standard of living for the rest of the population does not justify it. Plus, for those of us with political views on the fringe, this so called democracy looks like a complete sham.
As to the article, I don't know about Canadian occupiers but in America:
The movement is not against private property. Though some members are, it is not representative at all of most persons involved/sympathetic to the cause. Them movement is made of a large number of viewpoints, a lot of them disagreeing about the basic things that need to be done to address the issues at hand.
The movement is not against banks, it is against banks acting irresponsibly by doing such shit as subprime mortages. It is about banks trying to tack on needless fees and fuck over their customers for MOAR PROFIT.
The movement is not anti-law enforcement, but a number of serious cases of excessive force have been brought to light in police handling of the protesters.
People WANT to work, they're protesting against a negative economic climate that has high unemployment rates, that they see as being caused by Wall Street and friends single-mindedly pursuing short-term profit while not at all considering how their actions will affect the overall economy/society, or having even a tiny semblance of social responsibility. They're too busy funneling all profits into executive pay and giving the shareholders good quarterly reports.
The movement has no clear leaders here (yet?), and persons who wish to go home at night may, not everyone is equally hardcore.
The article knocks down a ridiculous strawman, it reads like it's from FOX News or an editorial at the WSJ. The movement is about corruption, greed, and amorality. About a desire to make the system more fair, and democratic. The usual critique is that they lack specifics and detailed policy change plans to cause this change, and are merely demonstrating malcontent.
As to the article, I don't know about Canadian occupiers but in America:
The movement is not against private property. Though some members are, it is not representative at all of most persons involved/sympathetic to the cause. Them movement is made of a large number of viewpoints, a lot of them disagreeing about the basic things that need to be done to address the issues at hand.
The movement is not against banks, it is against banks acting irresponsibly by doing such shit as subprime mortages. It is about banks trying to tack on needless fees and fuck over their customers for MOAR PROFIT.
The movement is not anti-law enforcement, but a number of serious cases of excessive force have been brought to light in police handling of the protesters.
People WANT to work, they're protesting against a negative economic climate that has high unemployment rates, that they see as being caused by Wall Street and friends single-mindedly pursuing short-term profit while not at all considering how their actions will affect the overall economy/society, or having even a tiny semblance of social responsibility. They're too busy funneling all profits into executive pay and giving the shareholders good quarterly reports.
The movement has no clear leaders here (yet?), and persons who wish to go home at night may, not everyone is equally hardcore.
The article knocks down a ridiculous strawman, it reads like it's from FOX News or an editorial at the WSJ. The movement is about corruption, greed, and amorality. About a desire to make the system more fair, and democratic. The usual critique is that they lack specifics and detailed policy change plans to cause this change, and are merely demonstrating malcontent.
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pepper, i wonder if your tolerance is really that low to most substances as you seem to be on quite the daily mix of benzo opiates and stims... maybe you are referring to just psychedelics? anyway i share your low tolerance to these so for me 50mg of mxe would make me operable on, and if id do it in a public setting i might wake up to being a kidney donor...
the thing i do like about mxe is that at low doses its ok and flavors a night quite all right, goes nice with alcohol and doesn't influence other tolerances to psychs. which is always important.
and referring to the article cited, its interesting, but i don't really adhere to the conclusions of the author. i mean i doubt that's what the people in the camps learned. sure, they needed these elements of today's society to help them out, but only because they were the only ones available (or acceptable in the legal sense) to take care of the troubles. it arguable that a society that grew under different circumstances wouldn't have robbers/freeloaders or the need for an explicit right to property and privacy. it also quite easy to figure a different solution to the troubles they had. for instance, had they had a military, they could keep the money safe, ward off bums and punish wrongs at the same time using the same system. a military govt would work just as well for these problems.
to come to these conclusions is a very simplified way of thinking about the protest itself, and one that goes nicely into serving capitalism...
the thing i do like about mxe is that at low doses its ok and flavors a night quite all right, goes nice with alcohol and doesn't influence other tolerances to psychs. which is always important.
and referring to the article cited, its interesting, but i don't really adhere to the conclusions of the author. i mean i doubt that's what the people in the camps learned. sure, they needed these elements of today's society to help them out, but only because they were the only ones available (or acceptable in the legal sense) to take care of the troubles. it arguable that a society that grew under different circumstances wouldn't have robbers/freeloaders or the need for an explicit right to property and privacy. it also quite easy to figure a different solution to the troubles they had. for instance, had they had a military, they could keep the money safe, ward off bums and punish wrongs at the same time using the same system. a military govt would work just as well for these problems.
to come to these conclusions is a very simplified way of thinking about the protest itself, and one that goes nicely into serving capitalism...
Roger&Me
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Yeah def... if you look at how plasma concentration varies with time, you see that with nasal dosing there's a sharp increase with a high Cmax, and with oral dosing you see a more gradual increase with a lower Cmax. The area under the curve is the same if you adjust for bioavailability, but with snorted you get much more initial receptor saturation (intranasal use can actually cause a higher Cmax than IV, depending on the drug).
Delsyd
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Sox, I sure am jealous of your tolerance, my drugs would last forever.
As far as occupy goes, im not sure what's happening in Canada but the movement here is not about sleeping outside it's about an idea, and making ppl more aware of social political and economical injustices. Ofcourse banks serve a purpose, no one is suggesting you carry all your money in your pocket, but why not support a local bank or credit union Instead of the big banks that are stealing from us. The occupy movement has woken a lot of people up. It gets support not just from college kids and homeless people but from intelligent well established people as well. Again it's notvabout sleeping in a tent, it's about what eeping in a tent was originally supposed to symbolize.
Here in the states we're not asking for socialism, we're asking to fix our broken system. To get money out of politics, so that the majority can have a say as well. It's just been revealed that the fed reserve gave away trillions of dollars not just to Bail out American Banks but to bail out banks worldwide with American tax payer dollars, money that could have and should have been invested into our own society. There is also the issue of the rich paying less taxes than the poor, it's just fucking mind-blowing. And plenty of other issues that my finger is getting tired of typing over a phone.
I love you sox, you're definately my buddy, but it saddens me to think you're such a hater for a movement that's trying to bring about positive change. You're like one of those dudes that that became a republican I. The 70's because it was going against the grain of the whole 60's hippie movement.
As far as occupy goes, im not sure what's happening in Canada but the movement here is not about sleeping outside it's about an idea, and making ppl more aware of social political and economical injustices. Ofcourse banks serve a purpose, no one is suggesting you carry all your money in your pocket, but why not support a local bank or credit union Instead of the big banks that are stealing from us. The occupy movement has woken a lot of people up. It gets support not just from college kids and homeless people but from intelligent well established people as well. Again it's notvabout sleeping in a tent, it's about what eeping in a tent was originally supposed to symbolize.
Here in the states we're not asking for socialism, we're asking to fix our broken system. To get money out of politics, so that the majority can have a say as well. It's just been revealed that the fed reserve gave away trillions of dollars not just to Bail out American Banks but to bail out banks worldwide with American tax payer dollars, money that could have and should have been invested into our own society. There is also the issue of the rich paying less taxes than the poor, it's just fucking mind-blowing. And plenty of other issues that my finger is getting tired of typing over a phone.
I love you sox, you're definately my buddy, but it saddens me to think you're such a hater for a movement that's trying to bring about positive change. You're like one of those dudes that that became a republican I. The 70's because it was going against the grain of the whole 60's hippie movement.
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Jesusgreen
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True, tolerance is something worth factoring in. It's just I've read very few if any reports of doses as low as mine, and as I've said previously, even 25mg was quite significant dissociation for me - and I'm someone who when taking Ketamine took between 700-1000mg in a single dose last time I was doing it. I imagine my NMDA antagonist tolerance likely lowered during this time since it's been over a year and a half, but still - I always required fairly hefty doses with Ketamine even at the beginning, so I wouldn't have thought my tolerance with this would be particularly low either.
I'm mostly just worried about people seeing others saying that 100mg+ is great, then trying that their first time and not only being completely overwhelmed but wasting a lot since they could have potentially gotten to the same place with as little as half that. Always best to start low - even if you suspect existing tolerance, imo. I agree that 15mg wouldn't necessarily be blowing any minds - but I've found all doses with this, down to just 5mg to be enjoyable - so I wouldn't think anyone would find it a waste even if it didn't affect them all that much - but YMMV of course
Beer and MXE certainly was good times, but.. cloudy times. I remember redosing 4 or 5 times but I don't know quite how many times, nor quite how much I took in total since I don't remember what the total weight of my MXE was before I started that little session. I remember all my doses were weighed up to either 10 or 15mg, I believe 15 at the start and then my later doses were just 10mg each - so I'd suspect somewhere around 50-65mg was consumed in total, and I was very close to some kind of breakthrough, despite each redose being less of a jump than the last. It's very easy to fall asleep on this combination though, I was listening to Daft Punk on my phone headphones, ended up waking up 2 hours later drooling on my pillow, laying on top of my phone in a weird position :D
I never found this substance to really be moreish for me until drinking beer with it last night. Damn you alcohol Despite the nice synergy of the two drugs I'll probably avoid the combination in the future so that I don't end up going through all my MXE in a night or two haha.
Almost forgot, welcome back Sega :D How's the AM-2201? I've actually been considering adding some to my "Christmas wishlist"
I'm mostly just worried about people seeing others saying that 100mg+ is great, then trying that their first time and not only being completely overwhelmed but wasting a lot since they could have potentially gotten to the same place with as little as half that. Always best to start low - even if you suspect existing tolerance, imo. I agree that 15mg wouldn't necessarily be blowing any minds - but I've found all doses with this, down to just 5mg to be enjoyable - so I wouldn't think anyone would find it a waste even if it didn't affect them all that much - but YMMV of course
Beer and MXE certainly was good times, but.. cloudy times. I remember redosing 4 or 5 times but I don't know quite how many times, nor quite how much I took in total since I don't remember what the total weight of my MXE was before I started that little session. I remember all my doses were weighed up to either 10 or 15mg, I believe 15 at the start and then my later doses were just 10mg each - so I'd suspect somewhere around 50-65mg was consumed in total, and I was very close to some kind of breakthrough, despite each redose being less of a jump than the last. It's very easy to fall asleep on this combination though, I was listening to Daft Punk on my phone headphones, ended up waking up 2 hours later drooling on my pillow, laying on top of my phone in a weird position :D
I never found this substance to really be moreish for me until drinking beer with it last night. Damn you alcohol
Despite the nice synergy of the two drugs I'll probably avoid the combination in the future so that I don't end up going through all my MXE in a night or two haha.Almost forgot, welcome back Sega :D How's the AM-2201? I've actually been considering adding some to my "Christmas wishlist"
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I agree Never, I don't think the writer of the article understands the occupy movement (or purposely misrepresents the core goals of it).
True, tolerance is something worth factoring in. It's just I've read very few if any reports of doses as low as mine, and as I've said previously, even 25mg was quite significant dissociation for me - and I'm someone who when taking Ketamine took between 700-1000mg in a single dose last time I was doing it. I imagine my NMDA antagonist tolerance likely lowered during this time since it's been over a year and a half, but still - I always required fairly hefty doses with Ketamine even at the beginning, so I wouldn't have thought my tolerance with this would be particularly low either.
I'm mostly just worried about people seeing others saying that 100mg+ is great, then trying that their first time and not only being completely overwhelmed but wasting a lot since they could have potentially gotten to the same place with as little as half that. Always best to start low - even if you suspect existing tolerance, imo. I agree that 15mg wouldn't necessarily be blowing any minds - but I've found all doses with this, down to just 5mg to be enjoyable - so I wouldn't think anyone would find it a waste even if it didn't affect them all that much - but YMMV of course
Beer and MXE certainly was good times, but.. cloudy times. I remember redosing 4 or 5 times but I don't know quite how many times, nor quite how much I took in total since I don't remember what the total weight of my MXE was before I started that little session. I remember all my doses were weighed up to either 10 or 15mg, I believe 15 at the start and then my later doses were just 10mg each - so I'd suspect somewhere around 50-65mg was consumed in total, and I was very close to some kind of breakthrough, despite each redose being less of a jump than the last. It's very easy to fall asleep on this combination though, I was listening to Daft Punk on my phone headphones, ended up waking up 2 hours later drooling on my pillow, laying on top of my phone in a weird position :D
I never found this substance to really be moreish for me until drinking beer with it last night. Damn you alcohol
Almost forgot, welcome back Sega :D How's the AM-2201? I've actually been considering adding some to my "Christmas wishlist"
hahah i've yet to try alcohol and MXE together, sounds like a fun experience though!
LSDMDMA&
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sup crackaz?
yo jesus, 6APB, wats a good dose?
125mg good?
i iz gonna be tryin me some.
i personally should start an #OccupyAMethLab
i'd be good at that probably.
sizzzega, wassap cracka?
got any jungle to throw in the thread?
yo jesus, 6APB, wats a good dose?
125mg good?
i iz gonna be tryin me some.
i personally should start an #OccupyAMethLab
i'd be good at that probably.
sizzzega, wassap cracka?
got any jungle to throw in the thread?
Jesusgreen
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I did 150mg my first time and loved it, have yet to do it since, New Years Eve like I said is most likely my next dose :D
It really depends on you. Since you already have an amp tolerance etc 150mg+ might be a good starting point like it was for me, but some people prefer the 115-130mg mark. People have even had good times with 100mg or less so it depends.
It really depends on you. Since you already have an amp tolerance etc 150mg+ might be a good starting point like it was for me, but some people prefer the 115-130mg mark. People have even had good times with 100mg or less so it depends.
LSDMDMA&
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no doubt fair enough awesome.
i'll try it, i've been lookin to try it for a while but i should finally be getting around to doing it soon.
i'll try it, i've been lookin to try it for a while but i should finally be getting around to doing it soon.
Delsyd
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NKB, good post, I somehow missed it when addressing Sox about Occupy.
I'm truly baffled by people not supporting this movement, and my guess is that most who don't support live a cozy life and really don't worry much about what's happening outside their circle. (I'm not talking about you specifically Sox, but other people I've met who blatantly hate on OWS without understanding it much and making comments about how it's all a bunch of bums and hippies.)
I'm truly baffled by people not supporting this movement, and my guess is that most who don't support live a cozy life and really don't worry much about what's happening outside their circle. (I'm not talking about you specifically Sox, but other people I've met who blatantly hate on OWS without understanding it much and making comments about how it's all a bunch of bums and hippies.)
Well, my first venture with MXE went very smoothly. Ended up taking around 25mg, but didn't really experience much dissociation. I felt increase self-esteem, stimulation, and overall good vibes It was very nice for a chill night. I also ended up smoking a lot of weed on top of it though.
The best part about it was that there was no nausea involved! Pretty much all substances that I put into my body make me nauseous, so to feel none at all was amazing. Go MXE!
I can't wait until I'm in a better setting, so I can try out higher doses and see what this can really do.
It was very nice for a chill night. I also ended up smoking a lot of weed on top of it though.The best part about it was that there was no nausea involved! Pretty much all substances that I put into my body make me nauseous, so to feel none at all was amazing. Go MXE!
I can't wait until I'm in a better setting, so I can try out higher doses and see what this can really do.
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