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careful though, its not the same for everybody :) my experiences with mxe differ from those of jesus, and yours might vary too, so just remember to not get too excited and stick to the rules about working your way up eh

best of luck

what up pd of this fine ass friday evening?
 
^ Definitely. The main reason I mentioned it is I see people taking such ridiculous doses, when I'm having a great time now on as little as 5mg - this is why it's so important to start small. I can't imagine what a waste it'd have been if I jumped in at say 100-150mg which is what some people in the B&D threads consider a good dose. 8o

Probably going to have some more MXE, drink a little, and stay up half the night. We'll see :)
 
There should be some kind of warning like that on the front page of the B&D. Like: "take a 1/3 of what you think you need to take"

On the other hand, noothing beats learning through experience
 
Have fun, I'm sure you'll like it. It serves three purposes for me. Low doses (5-10mg) it's a stimulant. Medium doses (15-20mg) it's nice to relax, and anything over that it's a traditional dissociative, albeit a lot more clearheaded and stimulating. :D

So what dose would you recommend that I take for going to a party? I looking for an amount that's stimulating, good for socialization, etc. Also, it's okay to combo with smoking and drinking right?
Also keep in mind when making your estimate that I have somewhat of a natural tolerance to substances (eg. 25mg 4-aco-dmt for me is perfect, not at all too strong, whereas that might be too intense for some people).

Thanks for your help! I'm really looking forward to a great time with this stuff.
 
25mg 4-AcO-DMT is perfect for me too, at least with fumarate. I tend to take quite high doses of it (35mg+) but 20-25mg is the nicer more relaxed range, still strong in the case of 25mg, but not overwhelming.

Back to MXE though, if it were me personally I'd try 15mg for that. 15mg sublingual was my first dose with MXE and it was very relaxed, euphoric, but stimulating too - just not overwhelmingly so. There's a light hint at the dissociation but nothing major at this dose for me, it was more a relaxed booster than anything else. Lower doses would work too but they're very subtle so might not be satisfying at a party. 20-25mg wouldn't be too much to take, but you would experience dissociation. I'd definitely avoid going over 25mg sublingual though, particularly your first time. :)

I'd avoid the whole redosing thing personally unless you want it to last ages. I find unless I redose immediately after I swallow any remnants of the first sublingual dose - or the redose is much bigger, it doesn't really increase the peak, just prolongs the overall duration, and increases the stimulation - which can last for several hours after the main experience is over. In my experience that has led to at least two nights of no sleep.
 
Interesting about the redose matter, haven't noticed that. But I will try to... I'm sitting here dosing with 5 mg. intervals as I write this. Feels good man, it really works well with another sedative. That depends on the setting off course.

It doesn't mix well with opiates though (waste of MXE, couldn't really feel it)
 
25mg 4-AcO-DMT is perfect for me too, at least with fumarate. I tend to take quite high doses of it (35mg+) but 20-25mg is the nicer more relaxed range, still strong in the case of 25mg, but not overwhelming.

Back to MXE though, if it were me personally I'd try 15mg for that. 15mg sublingual was my first dose with MXE and it was very relaxed, euphoric, but stimulating too - just not overwhelmingly so. There's a light hint at the dissociation but nothing major at this dose for me, it was more a relaxed booster than anything else. Lower doses would work too but they're very subtle so might not be satisfying at a party. 20-25mg wouldn't be too much to take, but you would experience dissociation. I'd definitely avoid going over 25mg sublingual though, particularly your first time. :)

I'd avoid the whole redosing thing personally unless you want it to last ages. I find unless I redose immediately after I swallow any remnants of the first sublingual dose - or the redose is much bigger, it doesn't really increase the peak, just prolongs the overall duration, and increases the stimulation - which can last for several hours after the main experience is over. In my experience that has led to at least two nights of no sleep.

Yes, the 30-35mg range is my favorite for 4-AcO, but I do agree in that 25mg is more relaxed. Above 30mg though... that's where things really get fun. And the euphoria & mindfuckery is just ridiculous. Ahh, I'm so glad I just put in an order for 1g of the stuff. It's been way to long since I've last done it!

But I digress.
I was planning on taking around 25mg, but now I might take it down a notch. This is my first voyage into dissociatives, so I probably shouldn't take so much that I'm freaking out at a party because of this new experience.

Also, I was planning on just taking it orally. This shouldn't make a difference, right?
 
I doubt you'd freak out at 25mg but still it depends on you and it's always best to start low - after all, the lower you start, the more of a surprise you get when you turn things up a little :D

Orally I'd say is roughly the same potency as sublingual, but since it comes up a little slower you might want to take a few mg more and expect it to last a little longer. I'd only take 2 or 3mg more personally though, e.g. 18mg rather than 15.
 
50mg phenazepam? Jesus. I know someone who thought eyeballing was okay and ended up in hospital and later a psych ward in a 3 day period - he used less than half that in total during that time. That is a crazy huge tolerance.

Yes, my tolerance is extreme, but my daily dose is still "only" 3 mg clonazepam. It seems my tolerance varies regarding the compound. 50 mg phenazepam or 50 mg diazepam (also both together) just make me a bit drowsy, nothing more. But if I raise my normal dose of clonazepam I immeditately notice it. If I take more than my daily 3 mg dose I get sedated. The same applies to alprazolam. So there's some anomaly regarding the cross-tolerance here. 4 mg alprazolam/clonazepam is much more effective than 50 mg phenazepam/diazepam. And I have bought everything on prescription (minus phenazepam) so there's no question regarding quality. Being a benzo addict sucks, but I've discussed this many times with my psychiatrist and there would be more harm in trying to quit than just staying on them. I've tried to quit them a few times with a carefully laid out scheme. Slow tapering and all that stuff. But I just ended up switching to another one. At least I got off alprazolam, which has a short half-life. I would need a year at least without work or school to quit. The WD symptoms are just unbearable, the worst part is not the WD symptoms but the rebound symptoms. Every mental disorder I've suffered from comes back with a vengeance. As I now feel quite OK mentally, that's why it would do much more harm to me to try to quit than to to stay on them. So I do.

I'm not sure how much my cognitive functions are impaired by benzos, but I went through university and got my masters degree and found a job and...well I don't feel anymore stupid now than before :)

After a few weeks on stimulants (MPA/speed) to counter the daytime sleepiness of mirtazapine I noticed how hugely and fast tolerance to stimulants build up. 100 mg MPA wouldn't probably feel anywhere now. Thank god that phase is over now, the next thing to battle are the brain zaps from escitalopram withdrawal. MXE eliminates them completely (as does stimulants, but I have an insane tolerance to them and don't want to touch them anymore anyway), but I've gone through it before so I've decided to just let them zap. As long as they are not painful, I can live with them. They'll vanish after a week or two. Fortunately there's no other WD symptoms, it may be that mirtazapine also plays a big role in why I don't have any other WD symptoms than brain zaps.

Physical activity on MXE is quite hard for me. My motoric skills are markedly impaired and I have problems with my balance. I keep swaying my head and walk like I'm very drunk.

It's nice that so low doses of MXE give you so much. Try to keep it that way. I've already coined the term "mental tolerance" to myself, since I have to take at least 30 mg to get euphoria. Even with breaks of several weeks. I remember my first time, it was 25 mg sublingual and kicked really hard. It was as real dissociative experience and I could never have been in the company of relatives in that state. It was a totally new and weird experience for me. Now I would be able to chat with my mom on that dose.

The fever is letting go of it's grip so that feels great.
 
I doubt you'd freak out at 25mg but still it depends on you and it's always best to start low - after all, the lower you start, the more of a surprise you get when you turn things up a little :D

Orally I'd say is roughly the same potency as sublingual, but since it comes up a little slower you might want to take a few mg more and expect it to last a little longer. I'd only take 2 or 3mg more personally though, e.g. 18mg rather than 15.

Alright. Thanks so much for the help! I think I'm actually going to try it tonight with a friend while we have some free time. If I do it again tomorrow, should I up my dose a little? I'm not sure how tolerance works with this.
 
I don't think you'd need to up your dose the second night, but if you feel you could handle more then you can always try. Personally I've had good results from pretty much the same doses since I got my MXE back a few weeks ago :)
 
Always very wise to start at cautious doses of any substance, and work your way up slowly. There's absolutely nothing worse than realizing you've overshot your comfort zone by an overwhelming margin, and that you're going to be stuck in a sickeningly mind-warping intoxication for hours on end. Heheh... I've been there many times...
 
He's the guy who does Code Monkey no? Wait, I don't even need to ask that, it's in related videos. I never saw that song by him before though. Reminds me a little of my friend self-medicating with MXE lately haha.

I'm drinking a few beers, just swallowed 15mg of MXE and washed it down with a little more beer, might take more soon once it kicks in. Planning to relax heavily tonight :D

Edit: Regular alcohol + MXE seems to be a much better mix than Absinthe + MXE, which made me clear-headed and actually sobered me up a little last time.
 
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^ I know, right? I'm not really the type to jump on the fresh-on-the-market RC bandwagon. I like to just sit back and patiently observe all of the trials and mishaps of the guinea pigs. :P
 
Jesus what youre not taking into consideration about MXE doses listed in the B&D threads is tolerance and also what you are looking to get out of it. From what ive read with your experiences with it it seems like you're just dipping your toes into it when there is a vast ocean to swim in.

My first time with it, and this was with one of the first European batches that was all the rage, was with 30mg sublingual. About an hour and a half into it i was feeling only mild effects. So i snorted another 30mg and then another 30mg an hour after that. Again, this was my first time and i used 90mg. I did get a pretty nice dissociative high at that dose but nothing earth shattering. My first time getting really far out (its what i imagined PCP to feel like) was with 250mg.

These days even 100mg isnt very dissociating for me. I like to take anywhere from 50-100mg and go out with friends to a bar or to see some live music. Its the best social lubricant ive found to date. Its easier for me to talk to strangers with out feeling shy or awkward and i kick ass on the dance floor. Also i tend to redose once or twice depending on my mood, how late the nights goes and some other random factors. (and redosing does increase the effects for me, ive found no immediate tolerance like with 5ht psychs).

And while i agree that everyone should start low with a new substance their first time, i doubt 15mg is going to rock anyones world (except maybe for peppersox but he has the tolerance of a 12 year old girl to just about every drug).

Talking about MXE makes me miss it, its been 3 weeks since ive had any and i plan to go several more months without it.

PS. Beer and MXE is good times fo'sho.
 
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