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Changa First Time

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Aright folks hows things?
Im just after picking up some Changa after been searching for it for a long time
it will be my first time taking it
just wondering what tips you have for smoking and getting the best results?
 
get your bong and weigh out 100mg (depending if the ratio is 50:50) smoke it and hold the hit in as long as you can, then you will be fired into hyperspace! :D enjoy!
 
breakcorefiend said:
get your bong and weigh out 100mg (depending if the ratio is 50:50) smoke it and hold the hit in as long as you can, then you will be fired into hyperspace! :D enjoy!
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Yeah i just wasnt sure about the direct flame touching it but thats ok yeah ?
cheers man
 
It's much easier to smoke than pure DMT, just fire it up and it'll be fine. Have fun!
 
What's the reasoning behind this? You can't just smoke an MAOI and 30 seconds later all the MAOI in your blood/body is deactivated. That's pure bollocks. And that's even assuming it's possible to achieve MAOI inhibition through smoking - which I'm sure it isn't. Even with a pure MAOI like moclobemide you need 300mg - with caapi or rue you're talking grams of the stuff.

The whole idea sounds like a crock of shit to me.
 
What's the reasoning behind this?
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It's a lot easier to smoke DMT when it's infused onto some sort of carrier than in crystal form. You can just stick changa in any pipe, DMT is a bit of a pain. I make my changa with damiana, no MAOI, purely because it's a more convenient way to consume it.
 
Let's not talk at cross purposes here, I'm using "changa" to refer to any infusion of DMT into plant matter, not just those that also contain an MAOI. Obviously, the reasoning behind using a plant that contains beta-carbolines is that this will inhibit MAO to some extent and thus potentiate the DMT. Whether it works or not, I don't know, although it does seem pretty unlikely.
 
Oh right, I thought you meant "changa" which is the new plant mixture that the head shops are selling.
 
Vader said:
Let's not talk at cross purposes here, I'm using "changa" to refer to any infusion of DMT into plant matter, not just those that also contain an MAOI. Obviously, the reasoning behind using a plant that contains beta-carbolines is that this will inhibit MAO to some extent and thus potentiate the DMT. Whether it works or not, I don't know, although it does seem pretty unlikely.
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From experience the combination lengthens the DMT trip significantly, adds a different visual character and 'softens' it slightly. Whether that's the result of MAO inhibition or not isn't a question I'm qualified to even contemplate.

If you get five minutes, this here link might be of some interest.
 
^^

I'm not entirely convinced by that article - smoking passionflower inhibits MAO? You couldn't eat enough passionflower to make it work orally but a few tokes and you're set for 48 hours?

Have you ever taken DMT with an MAOI orally sam?
 
Ismene said:
Have you ever taken DMT with an MAOI orally sam?
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Unless you count a rushed ayahuasca made from caapi and psychotria in my early twenties, which left me puking for two hours, no. I'd love to do it though.

Seriously, if you were to smoke 1:1 changa you'd notice certain objective differences to pure freebase. Not that I think that'll sway you but it's true.
 
I smoked changa and didn't break through, but that alone was absolutely lovely. it took me a while to gauge how much to smoke, but it gave the most amazing feeling of contentness and happiness, and when I smoked a bit more it was like a high dose of 2cx for about 2 minutes. want to break through some day but would also just like to smoke it repeatedly in small doses.
 
Changa is a combination of herbs that contain an MAOI and are infused with DMT... Don't argue, either try it or argue a silly point ?

If you want to breakthrough, have at least 3 or more cones, each one obviously you need to hold it in for as long as you can...

It's not as good as crystal obviously, doesn't last as long... But it's still an experience ;D

Enjoy ;D
 
djcole187 said:
It's not as good as crystal obviously, doesn't last as long...
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In my experience (and that of most others, I reckon) the exact opposite is true. The DMT lasts a lot longer with the addition of the harmala alkaloids.

Also I think most changa (as in the DMT / MAOI mix you mention, rather than straightforward DMT-infused leaf) doesn't involve herbs that naturally contain the MAOI; rather the herb is infused with the MAOI and the DMT.
 
Really? I just make a straight DMT/damiana mix, but if I wanted MAOI, I'd use caapi leaves or passionflower or something. I'm not going to do a syrian rue extraction just to soak it back into some leaves, or try and extract moclobemide pills. If you know something I don't, please share, but I would imagine that all blends that have an MAOI do so because the plants used contain harmala alkaloids.
 
All the times I've encountered changa it's been made exactly as I described. In fact I've smoked more changa that was made with mullein than with damiana. I'd imagine that you'd have to smoke a lot of damiana to get the same MAOI effect as rue-infused damiana, though I could be wrong. Aren't the MAOI properties of damiana a matter of debate anyway?

Hey, however you do it is your business.
 
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