IV'ing stigma

[SpiritFolk]

I don't think the stigma is reasonable or particularly rational, but I can understand it. Not many people like being stuck with a needle for any reason, so doing it to oneself (even if to to get high) probably seems a little masochistic. Also taking the additional risks of infection/abscess/etc 'just' to g t a better high. I've never IV'd but it isn't something I would categorically say I'd never do. Needles aren't that bad if you're careful

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yes if careful ur fine. clean, cheaper, nice rush. But i think now the danger for me outweighs the better cheaper mainLine high. risk of fuck up OD or conracting HEP C/ lesser extent HIV is obviously much higher tha other ROA'S, even if not that common.

fuck needles.....unless u got kuta h Isay... and then do it with trusted friends or alone at home and not in the stairwell if u know what I mean

 

[Jakeperson]

Not many people like being stuck with a needle for any reason, so doing it to oneself (even if to to get high) probably seems a little masochistic. Also taking the additional risks of infection/abscess/etc 'just' to get a better high.

I broke my toe once, made me laugh hysterically for about an hour. I wouldn't say I do it 'just' for the better high, I'm not happy unless I am trying new things. I started IVing because of boredom, because it's complicated, it's new and because every new drug I try, I wanna try every ROA possible.

 

[Divine Moments]

^ Fair enough, that's interesting. I may have been a bit quick to assume that most IVers do so to get a faster rush with a higher BA and thus get higher and get more bang for the buck.

 

[itsok]

I don't think the stigma is reasonable or particularly rational, but I can understand it. Not many people like being stuck with a needle for any reason, so doing it to oneself (even if to to get high) probably seems a little masochistic. Also taking the additional risks of infection/abscess/etc 'just' to get a better high. I've never IV'd but it isn't something I would categorically say I'd never do. Needles aren't that bad if you're careful

what about acupuncture? and thats how the pros and hospitals do it. jsut bc i use a syringe doesnt mean im the devil, it means im scientific, efficient, frugal, or have a high tolerance, or like something about the effect or process. isnt that more logical?

 

[Divine Moments]

what about acupuncture? and thats how the pros and hospitals do it. jsut bc i use a syringe doesnt mean im the devil, it means im scientific, efficient, frugal, or have a high tolerance, or like something about the effect or process. isnt that more logical?

You clearly didn't understand what I said. I have nothing against IVing, but if I were to go ask the first 10 people I meet if they like getting needles I'm going to bet most, if not all, will say no. I was explaining why I think the stigma exists, not how I feel about it.

Regardless, using a syringe does not make you scientific either 8)

 

[Mr Blonde]

I believe it's not the actual IV'ing itself which brings the associated stigma its what occurs around the injecting. I have no problem if people use respectfully and clean up after themselves. I hate it when I find used fits in a park or on the beach. It makes my blood boil and I immediately think 'fucking junkie, clean your shit up' before I safely dispose. I'm sure we have all been to friends house's and seen used picks lying around. Let's admit it's not a good look.

Again I'm sure we have all seen people injecting in public as well. Again not a good look and this does not help with the negative stigma already attached to IV'ing. I'm sure we have seen all sorts of drugs being used in public which we frown upon ie sniffing/chroming.

I personally wouldn't allow anyone to IV in my home anymore. Now I have kids running around. I can recall many years ago walking into my own bathroom and finding a friend or a friend attempting to find a vein. No biggy but I would have appreciated some warning as my mum was due over any second.

Stay safe people.

I agree with this. I have no problem with people who can IV properly and safely, but those who leave syringes lying around in public or do it in stupid situations don't give a good impression. I had someone staying at my house a few months ago who I told that I had no problem with him IV'ing, but that everyone else in the house would and so he had to be careful. Ended up with girlfriend finding syringes and paraphernalia in the kitchen bin (where everyone could see) and with the friend OD'ing on the bathroom floor which scared the shit out of the other people in the house. Did not end well for all involved.

The BA of plugging varies, it's often pretty high, meth is meant to be 99%. It's definitely a good rush, I wouldn't say it's 99% though, from experience. Opiates seem to vary a bit, it's hard to find a BA anywhere on the net, every place seems to say something different. Heroin seems to work best plugged, I've had some very intense experiences on smack that way. I've found pills like oxys or ms contins fairly useless to plug (with the coating taken off and crushed up and suspended in water), and I think the rectal BA of those is the same or less than taking them orally.

I disagree on plugging MS Contin; in my experience it works much better then when taken orally. I personally have no desire to IV, and with my essential tremor I don't think I'd be able to either.

 

[Jakeperson]

Yeah I am a shakey person by nature, If I had a cup of coffee I'd never be able to hit a vein. It's hard enough aiming sober

 

[TripppAR]

Ill tell you what.. plugging MSCONTINS - Or their generic counterpart K something .. by glaxosmith n cline

IS EPIC !

I let a 50mg 12 hour time release cap sit in water for like 3 hours and they pellets got nice and soft - Crushed em with a knife and then sucked up the solution with oral syringe and shoved it up my arse and fired away!

Well like 15 minutes later i was buzzing BIG TIME on morphine haha..

I also ate 100 mg's normal oral for the slow release buzz

Ended up with a 20 + hour OPIATE BUZZ!!!! STILL BUZZING AT 12.30 LUNCHTIME SUNDAY AFTER DOSING SATURDAY WHEN THERE WAS STILL LIGHT AROUND..

wtf?!


COuld my stomach conditions perhaps led to a slower release of the time caps?

:-S

 

[Divine Moments]

Let's stay on topic - this thread is about the stigma around different ROAs, not which one is best

 

[chugs]

I enjoy injecting and always have. Re the OP's comment about whether its more bad for people. Well I see that as a comment about the claim that injecting heroin makes it more addictive.

I don't find injecting makes a drug more or less addictive.

I love bulbing and was heavily addicted to nitrous at one point. I find nitrous incredibly addictive, popping bulbs or a tank is just insane. Yet I don't inhale my heroin. I find drinking to be really addictive and yet I don't drink my smack (well maybe the rikodeine but that's because I can't distil it into pure codeine). I love rohypnol and find it extremely addictive (along with Valium etc).

so connecting heroin to being more addictive due to how you take it is I guess simply lazy logic. Heroin like all opiates are addictive because they make you feel awesome. for people who have a bit shit going on their life heroin just blows all your worries away.

also plugging seems like a heap of work compared to injecting.

 

[footscrazy]

^ I'm not sure if you're referring to me specifically, but what I actually said was -

For me, I do think you cross a line when you IV. I don't think it's intrinsically bad, but it is a different step that could be bad for certain people. The reason I don't IV is because I'm a hopeless enough addict as it is and I don't want to make things harder for myself.

It's a different step that isn't intrinsically bad, because I know that some people are able to IV and it doesn't make it more addictive; other people find injecting is a bad step for them, for one reason or another. I don’t know for sure whether banging my drugs would be a bad step for me, but as I see it, knowing how addicted I get to basically anything abuseable, it carries a risk for me that I’m not willing to take. Furthermore, drug addictiveness has been connected to the onset of action, often, the quicker it hits, the greater the rush, and the more addictive the drug is. I'm not sure how that's lazy logic, and I never said it applied to everyone (or even alluded to the 'addictiveness' of drugs at all in my OP).

I can't see how you'd think plugging is a lot of work compared to injecting either, it's the other way around, because although you mix up the same, you don't need to filter, and you don't need to find a vein.

 

[Jakeperson]

I dont think you would enjoy IV meth any more than smoking it footsy, I've recently tried it with decent qual shards and its on par with smoking. They both have a few different positives and negatives but they are equally as good.

 

[Hajime]

An IV habbit is a slippery slope and in the words of Uncle Fester: If snorting the hcl doesn't get you as high as you want then its time to stop.

I dunno, for me its a bit of a novelty and a challenge of fear/coordination; vascontriction for amphetamine type substances make it hard to iv all the time and my veins tend to roll v bad when my body is saying no... also I have bad sinuses so its either rectal or oral and some drugs arent as effective per mg to take oral.

finding smokable meth isnt easy... methamphetamine-hcl isnt really smokable; to make it smokeable you combine the freebase with dry ice to create methamphetamine-carbonate. Similar story for a lot of other hcl crystal drugs that have a high melting point. You can smoke the freebase and usually people use bi-carb soda/water to base their hcl crystal for smoking.

 

[ptrsnake13]

makes me laugh like class warfare. I sniff so I'm a better addict than you. Bullshit. You're a junkie no matter what way you use,up your nose or up your ass. Me, I fell in love with shooting dope in 1969. !st day I got high I snorted a nickel bag, dropped 2 seconals and smoked weed. Next day I shot up and fell in love with the whole ritual. You put the dope in the cooker, add water and cook it up. You light a match to cook and the sulphur from the match flips your stomach. You tie up then draw the shot. Anybody see the picture "Sugar Hill"? Clarence Williams 3rd should've gotten an Oscar for his portrayal of a junkie. He had the tying up, cooking, drawing the shot, oding down pat. Never seen such realism in a picture before. Anyway, you stick the needle in your vein and when that bubble of blood shows and runs up the side of the dropper it's like a wet dream. You send it in slowly feeling the warm rush run thru your body. There's not an orgasm in the world that compares to shooting dope. If you do dope, shooting is the way to go. Not to is like buying a racing car and never entering a race. if you choose the most dangerous drug you must use it in the ultimate manner. I haven't shot dope in 11 years but I get high just talking about it. I'm on 180 mgs of methadone and doing 2 or 2 1/2 bottles gives me the warmth but nothing can give you that rush
ptrsnake13

 

[ptrsnake13]

Seems you buggers in Great Britain love plugging more than any other country I know. Enjoy

 

[footscrazy]

finding smokable meth isnt easy... methamphetamine-hcl isnt really smokable; to make it smokeable you combine the freebase with dry ice to create methamphetamine-carbonate. Similar story for a lot of other hcl crystal drugs that have a high melting point. You can smoke the freebase and usually people use bi-carb soda/water to base their hcl crystal for smoking.

Methamphetamine HCL is smokable. Vape point is 170-175 degrees. It's effective; it seems methamphetamine carbonate is touted as more effective and safer (considering you're inhaling carbon dioxide and meth base) but I have never seen this done in practice, and 'basing' your methamphetamine doesn't make any sense to me and is far from the 'usual' way to smoke meth here in Aus. Why convert it into its volatile and hard to handle liquid form before smoking it...?

 

[spacejunk]

Seems you buggers in Great Britain love plugging more than any other country I know. Enjoy

i dunno, last time i checked australia was a fucken long way from great britain

 

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[mostly-human]

I'm not going to comment on whether it is good or bad (it's not objective anyway) or even whether I would recommend it to others.

Little info: I rarely use (anything) these days, or for the past few years.

However - when I do, I *always* IV. I honestly would rather hold on to something all night and do the next day, or even the morning, than I would snort/smoke it.

I would snort or smoke something if that was the only possible way of administration (within the time frame it was reasonable to take the substance) and I was offered the substance for free. I would not pay for something if I had no access to syringes.


edit: this is in relation to heroin/amphetamines/cocaine btw. Back 10 years ago when I was using a lot - I would IV anything, including big chunky pills etc. These days if I was going to have an "e" (haven't in years") I would swallow it. If I had mdma powder/crystal I would probably IV.

For FYI: I probably use 4-6 times a year over last 3 years or so. Fairly evenly heroin/amphet - the reason I mention this, is just to put it out there it is possible to IV drugs (including heroin) and not become a hopeless addict. Or - maybe more correctly, it is possible to have once been a hopeless addict and now maintain a very healthy lifestyle with very occasional IV drug use. Personally, I am not a fan of the complete abstinence approach of some rehab/AA/NA methods.

 

[Christ!]

You're right on the money footscrazy and I agree with you completely.

Nothing wrong with shooting up if that's what you want to do.

I'm on 180 mgs of methadone and doing 2 or 2 1/2 bottles gives me the warmth but nothing can give you that rush

The rush from shooting heroin sounds incredible - but I'm guessing that's what makes it so risky for people like me. As footsy said, quick onset of effects = greater addiction potential. We DON'T want to get addicted to heroin and end up on 180mg of methadone per day.

Seems to me like some IV users I've met have either been super defensive...or others have a superiority complex/elitist type vibe. Just IME anyway. A mate of mine who I know quite well really started a decline into addiction when he started shooting up, maybe a coincidence? Yep, there's every chance he would have been in the same place without the needle. It's not surprising there's a stigma attached to IV use, even if it is 'wrong' in many ways.