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Joint Rolling - European vs. American Methods

^ imagine yourself as a drug dealer. You have the choice to import thai ganja, or take the alternative route of using one of the new indoor strains that you can grow in your home country in a rented flat, without risking interception by customs. You can also either sell primo hash or bulk up what little hash you have by 90% by making soapbar, and increase your profits accordingly. Purely from a money making point of view the choice is obvious.

The British have become so used to soapbar that if a dealer happened to have real hash and tried to charge what it's actually worth instead of cheapo soapbar, most of his customers would reject it in favour of the cheaper stuff, even though smoking plastic and dog shit is a false economy.

Of course, there is an alternative to having to put up with all this bullshit. Grow your own!
 
Americans dont mix with tobacco (fuck that) which is the biggest difference. Also many people in the UK smoke only joints and dont use pieces while in US pieces are more widely used and less joints smoked. To be honest, i have no idea how any normal person could afford to smoke pure green as i very much like to keep smoking over a long period so mixing with a good bit of tobacco is the best way to do that. There is loads of different ways of rolling but tbh ive seen the opposite, in the UK its mostly log type, thick joints that are completely straight while n the US cones and single skinners seem to be a lot more widespread. Also never understood why americans dont use a roach, its obvious and the most practical thing ever.

EDIT: And soapbar may be nasty and horrible but if you dont think about all that shite, a great way to smoke on a low budget ;)
 
The British have become so used to soapbar that if a dealer happened to have real hash and tried to charge what it's actually worth instead of cheapo soapbar, most of his customers would reject it in favour of the cheaper stuff, even though smoking plastic and dog shit is a false economy.
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Are you saying that there's no market for nice hash at all? Because that's just not true. There's decent Moroccan around, you just have to move in the right circles.
 
^ not no market, just a niche market with low demand. Your average (particularly younger) stoner has had soap for so long they don't really know anything else. When they don't know good hash when they see it they're more inclined to believe their dealer is just trying to rip them off. The problem is most people don't even know what they're smoking is soap. The other day I asked someone what they thought about soap and if they were aware of the problem and they told me they thought soapbar was just a variety of hash like morrocan 8)

It also depends on how well the person knows their dealer and what sort of relationship they have with them, but it's just a generalisation.
 
Artificial Emotion said:
^ not no market, just a niche market with low demand. Your average (particularly younger) stoner has had soap for so long they don't really know anything else. When they don't know good hash when they see it they're more inclined to believe their dealer is just trying to rip them off. The problem is most people don't even know what they're smoking is soap. The other day I asked someone what they thought about soap and if they were aware of the problem and they told me they thought soapbar was just a variety of hash like morrocan 8)

It also depends on how well the person knows their dealer and what sort of relationship they have with them, but it's just a generalisation.
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I'm just really glad I have no F'n idea what soapbar is...The name sounds like hurl.
 
ElCoolMagnefico said:
as an american (midwest), myself and probably everyone i have ever smoked with has been just weed, no tobacco. we also tend to use a filter consisting of a zig-zag packet's excess cardboard. had a friend's cousin visit from england and he always rolled monster joints, but they contained a ratio of 60:40 tobacco to weed. my friends and i thought the tobacco joints were really harsh, whereas our british friend hated smoking just weed.
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Yeah, it's so much harsher to smoke weed with tobacco. I have some friends that roll spliffs... I make them smoke joints when I'm around, not because I'm an asshole, but because it's freaking painful to inhale tobacco smoke.
 
psychomimetic said:
That's what I'm talkin bout man! A lot of Mexican weed is good stuff. Probably 80 or 90% of the Mexi I get is like you describe- green with lots of red hairs and whole (viable might I add) seeds. The closer you are to the border the better the schwag is it seems, and I'm in central Tx so it's pretty damn good in this area.

Plus, I pay about 8-15 times less for schwag than I would for higher grade weed, and I'm poor.

I've come to like schwag a lot, even when I buy chronic I'll use get a dime or two of schwag to go along with it, dank just doesn't do it for me at night time, gotta have that heavy, cloudy schwag high.

Protip- the seeds from Mexican weed produce plants that grow very tall and produce very nice weed that is seemingly 1/4-1/2 red hairs on the buds. And the strain is bred for high yields so you can easily end up with 4-8 oz of weed from one plant. Unfortunately I can't grow now and haven't been able to in a while, but if you do grow Mexican weed is super easy to grow.
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Yeah man, I miss living down South because of the excellent Mexican stuff that is available for such good prices. Up here, I can get magazine quality stuff whenever, but that's pretty much all I can get and it's not as economical as I'd like. I'd prefer to buy a big bag of good outdoor and smoke that most of the time.
 
Pegasus said:
Yeah man, I miss living down South because of the excellent Mexican stuff that is available for such good prices. Up here, I can get magazine quality stuff whenever, but that's pretty much all I can get and it's not as economical as I'd like. I'd prefer to buy a big bag of good outdoor and smoke that most of the time.
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Also miss the days you would just grab a huge handfull of (this) type weed outta' the bale, fill a fold over sandwich baggie to the brim & turn on every/anyone for less than an Andrew Jackson & still be able to keep at least half of it for free. YaMon...
 
freehugs said:
Its a really low grade hash found in the UK that people cut with shit like rubber.
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I always believed if there was one thing that could only get better w/ no chance of being scumbag scammed, it would be cannabis... making hashish w/ rubber - grinding silica & sticking it to buds' what the F's wrong with people ???
 
animal faeces, exhaust pipe scrapings, used engine oil, wax, plastic bags, rubber, straw, hay, oil, cooking & veg oil, vinyl...
all sorts of lovely additives have been found in seized samples of "soapbar" hash found in the UK.
there's also gritweed. crushed/powdered glass sprayed onto the buds.
imagine what hundreds of red-hot microscopic beads of glass are going to do to lung tissue.
look up silicosis.
also, lead shavings among other things have been found in bud in europe as well. theres also Brix+. thats not as bad as any of the above but its still not good at all.

mmmm, tasty.
that gritweed bullshit doesnt really happen much if at all up here in Scotland. more of an english ting.
same with riots. idiots.
 
Vader said:
Before the semantic confusion goes any further:
Americans do not, for the most part, use a rolled-up piece of card as a filter tip (what Europeans call a "roach"). To an American "roach" still means the end of the joint, but it weed all the way to the end. IME, most Americans aren't even familiar with the practice.

btw, in the UK it's more common to use Rizla packets or another source of card rather than buying a purpose-made roachbook.
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idk about other people, but i live in the states and have always used a filter at the end of my joints for better stability.
 
I simply cannot stand tobacco. I even hate hitting the blunts for that reason. The best for me is high grade stuff, from a glass piece. I don't smoke everyday, usually not during the week at all, so I really enjoy the deeper high I get from primo. When I am stoned I like to be in the company of close friends, never ever in a social setting that has unknown people in it.
 
When you make hash, instead of using bubblebags you can just use a rudimentary crude filter such as stockings/tights during the ice extraction process so that the yield is much higher. The only impurities will be from the cannabis plant itself i.e. vegetative matter from leaves, buds etc. I think dealers selling this comparatively low grade hash is fine, but formula aka soapbar is a step to far. If I were buying from a dealer, which I would never do full stop, I would be far happier getting a much lower weight for a much higher price than what people naively think to be a good price with soap. I don't understand why people don't do more research into the subject of cannabis in general. It could prevent a lot of people from harming their health if they just did a bit of reading on cannabis discussion forums. People are so ignorant it's unreal. They just don't think :|
 
Classic tune you linked to there AE, sums soap bar up nicely.

Sega420 said:
that gritweed bullshit doesnt really happen much if at all up here in Scotland. more of an english ting.
same with riots. idiots.
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^ LOL

& To add to the whole soap bar discussion, you get some slightly better (but still shit) varietys of it, the infamous squidgy black (which apparently was good shit back in the 70's I hear) and the even worse 'goldseal'

From what I can gather, it's soapbar with some kind of oil added to make it more squishy so people think its better hash...I hate this country.
 
Americans dont mix with tobacco (fuck that) which is the biggest difference
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As an American I do like putting tobacco in my joints. But then we call them spliffs. (I think the term spliff is universal right?) As for rolling technique I hate the joints that are all fat in the middle. When I roll mine I try to make them look exactly like a cigarette. I also don't much care for blunts. I mean I'll smoke em if passed to me but I would never put up weed for a blunt. I did once and afterwords I felt like I wasted a bunch of weed. Also the flavoring of most blunt wraps make me kind of sick to my stomach. As to crutches or 'roaches' as you brits like to call them I usually put one in or I fold the paper of the tip I'm inhaling from inwards. That usually makes a pretty nice roach although it can be time consuming and you need a paper clip.
 
Its a really low grade hash found in the UK that people cut with shit like rubber.
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That is disgusting! And people actually smoke that? Sometimes I hate being American but on this occasion I'm glad. Damn! Lulz. Is that all they usually cut it with or have they've found nastier shit in soapbar?

animal faeces, exhaust pipe scrapings, used engine oil, wax, plastic bags, rubber, straw, hay, oil, cooking & veg oil, vinyl...
all sorts of lovely additives have been found in seized samples of "soapbar" hash found in the UK.
there's also gritweed. crushed/powdered glass sprayed onto the buds.
imagine what hundreds of red-hot microscopic beads of glass are going to do to lung tissue.
look up silicosis.
also, lead shavings among other things have been found in bud in europe as well. theres also Brix+. thats not as bad as any of the above but its still not good at all.

mmmm, tasty.
that gritweed bullshit doesnt really happen much if at all up here in Scotland. more of an english ting.
same with riots. idiots.
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NVM found my answer. Fucking disgusting shit man. Whats wrong with British drug dealers?
 
Whats wrong with British drug dealers?
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It's not just the UK, there's loads of adulterated hash in Europe. Spain is a quick boat trip from Morocco; hash is cheap and high grade. Gangsters then adulterate the hash, and as it passes through more hands, it happens again and again. The further north you head, the worse it gets, generally. France has some terrible hash, and I've seen shit gold seal for sale in both Amsterdam and Christiania (where weed is openly sold). People smoke it because they don't know better, and it's dirt cheap. That's why Bluelight exists, to educate people about drugs so they can reduce the risks they take.
 
^Thats some fucked up shit man. I mean I've been to Europe and never had any encounters with this shit hash. Well probably because all my weed and hash came from Amsterdam coffee shops so I can't comment.:)

So is actual green bud hard to find in Europe outside of Amsterdam or do people just prefer hash even if it sucks?.
 
green is extremely common. however, DEMOGRAPHICS!
low grade hash is usually smoked (and i mean to cause no offence), by the less educated, unwashed masses of society.
generally in shittier areas as well. like i said, demographics!
however ive seen dumb as fuck posh students smoking it in cupboards at parties thinking its decent. CLUELESS CLOWNS I TELLS YE.

people always prefer the bud as even if its pish, 60% of the time (pulled that number out of my ass) its infinitely better than any shitty hash youll find.
like mentioned above, high grade aka pure, real hashish, is a niche market. the markets there, with people like myself who know their stuff and like the finer things.
however unfortunately people like myself are the minority, and the unwashed masses previously mentioned keep ensuring year after year that this low grade shit is everywhere.

assholes will only stop selling this shit when people stop buying it and start realising it is exactly that- shit.
however most idiots are complacent ie "dont care as long as it gets me high". FUCKING JUNKIE BEHAVIOUR.
i have found very high grade hashish a few times, it was generally priced slightly higher but not much, and entirely worth the extra few bucks.
i dont ever even bother with hashes unless its pure. disgusting stuff.
 
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