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Has anybody ever gotten thoughts like this on psychedelics?

One can say the universe is infinite but they'd be wrong on these grounds: how can one label something with something they don't even comprehend?

Infinity is a word for people to throw around to appear smarter.
 
I have thoughts like these every single time I trip but I always try to think positive philosphy as one time I got bummed out for half an hour that after I die, thats it. Everytime I trip as well I talk in fear and loathing in las vegas type dialoge upon the situation around me, very inspirational shit haha.
 
I was in a coma once and the experience proved to me that there are far worse things than death. After I woke I was and continue to be unafraid to die. While in my coma I tried desperately to figure some way to determine what was and wasn't real. My conclusion was that it didn't matter. All I could conclude about my state was that I existed. Other than that, I decided I must have died and gone to hell and everything outside my own sense of self was the devil fucking with me. There was me, and there was ceaseless pain, the physical eclipsed only by the mental. I'd happily burn to death slowly over coals than go through that experience again.

Oh, and one truth you can take with you: in order for free will to exist there must also exist a soul, and a life outside our mortal existence. A natural universe makes any other proposition impossible.
 
^ Fascinating... you can "desperately try to figure" things out in a coma? I thought that people were entirely unconscious in that state. How long were you in the coma?

Regardless, your experience sounds absolutely dreadful.
 
I've sort of come to a loose conclusion that everything is fractals. Fractals are impossible by nature, they never end and they never begin, and I just think that's what everything is now. Infinite small and infinite big in every way shape and form, like imagine each neuron is it's own universe, within are tinier neurons and this just never stops on both end of the spectrum.

Also I had an interesting conversation about how humans are all one person, we are a single consciousness and that is "god" if you want to call it that, and all humans are is a part of a big brain that in order to be aware of it's own existence, improve grow and learn, it needs many humans that are different to discuss, create and ponder together. One being can't sort through anything, so all being are comprised of smaller beings that grow just as we humans do, and do it for you and if you want to get really crazy about it, we humans are just neurons in a big brain, and our neurons are the same sort of thing. All different people with something distinctively different to ultimate create the "whole" or the "reality", which would be a new series of symbols to interpret reality.
 
fridgebuzz said:
To say the universe is infinite also says everything in the universe is infinite which means I am infinite, and I am not..
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You're not "in" the universe, you are the universe.


tangerino said:
Also I had an interesting conversation about how humans are all one person, we are a single consciousness and that is "god" if you want to call it that, and all humans are is a part of a big brain that in order to be aware of it's own existence, improve grow and learn, it needs many humans that are different to discuss, create and ponder together
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Why just humans? Why not all sentient beings? Anyway, this is the kind of thing I "see" on high dose dissociatives rather than serotonergic psychedelics (well as I said earlier it only acknowledges consciousness/awareness as real, and and denies everything else) while on psychs I'm more likely to find beauty in the physical universe, with a profound love for the individual caused by an awestruck comprehension of the grander flow of existence (it's very fractalicious).
 
fridgebuzz said:
One can say the universe is infinite but they'd be wrong on these grounds: how can one label something with something they don't even comprehend?

Infinity is a word for people to throw around to appear smarter.
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well i understand where your'e coming from but you are trying to rationalise infinity and in order to understand it you must look into quantum mechanics which takes the concept of infinity from being a mathematical paradox to it being the concept that shapes the reality of our universe. a long time ago people believed that the earth was flat and later on they comprehended that it is round. your'e at the "flat earth" stage and in order to comprehend or understand the meaning of infinity you just need to take up a course in quantum mechanics which is a very complicated subject or the other option since you are on the PD section, would be a large dose of a psychedelic be it lsd or psilocybin where you would experience total ego loss and your consiousness becomes universal enough to grasp the infinite nature of the universe. a very easy way of achieving such state would be taking a plunge and breaking through on dmt. if you already did that and still cannot comprehend the semantics of infinity which i doubt unless you are a hardcore rationalist that might just conclude that it was all a hallucination then i suggest you take up quantum mechanics or we agree to disagree :)
 
fridgebuzz said:
One can say the universe is infinite but they'd be wrong on these grounds: how can one label something with something they don't even comprehend?

Infinity is a word for people to throw around to appear smarter.
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fridgebuzz said:
One can say the universe is infinite but they'd be wrong on these grounds: how can one label something with something they don't even comprehend?

Infinity is a word for people to throw around to appear smarter.
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well i understand where your'e coming from but you are trying to rationalise infinity and in order to understand it you must look into quantum mechanics which takes the concept of infinity from being a mathematical paradox to it being the concept that shapes the reality of our universe. a long time ago people believed that the earth was flat and later on they comprehended that it is round. your'e at the "flat earth" stage and in order to comprehend or understand the meaning of infinity you just need to take up a course in quantum mechanics which is a very complicated subject or the other option since you are on the PD section, would be a large dose of a psychedelic be it lsd or psilocybin where you would experience total ego loss and your consiousness becomes universal enough to grasp the infinite nature of the universe. a very easy way of achieving such state would be taking a plunge and breaking through on dmt. if you already did that and still cannot comprehend the semantics of infinity which i doubt unless you are a hardcore rationalist that might just conclude that it was all a hallucination then i suggest you take up quantum mechanics or switch to amphetamines :)
 
TheAppleCore said:
^ Fascinating... you can "desperately try to figure" things out in a coma? I thought that people were entirely unconscious in that state. How long were you in the coma?

Regardless, your experience sounds absolutely dreadful.
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I was under for about 10 days. It was medically induced, and from time to time I guess they had to adjust the meds, so it could be my experiences were during those periods where I would maybe start to come out of it a bit... IDK. I just know it was impossible to tell reality from fiction. I knew I existed, and that I was in pain that wouldn't stop. And whenever I would go to sleep, when I woke up the world completely changed. Over and over. It was almost like being in an episode of Quantum Leap. I kept jumping from place to place and time to time. In each place I was me, and I was injured and in pain. But I never knew anyone, nor did they know me. And in each there was always one person who took an active interest in physically and psychologically torturing me. And everytime it would get bad enough that I would pass out, when I woke up it was to a different place, and always a worse place. There was even one time that I met a girl and fell in love. She assured me that everything was real, that I had been in an accident and had just woken from a coma (she was a nurse). She promised me that my friends and family were on their way to see me. Just when I finally gave in and accepted that as truth, I was given a shot for the pain, I drifted off to sleep, and when I woke she, and everything else was gone. That was how it went. Each time I would wake in pain, and it wasn't until I accepted where I was and what was happening as true that the pain would stop, I'd drift off to sleep, and awake to start the whole process over again. Time after time for eternity. Or so it seemed.

When I actually DID wake up, I was so fucked in the head from the experience that I stayed awake for 5 days straight, convinced that everyone was out to get me, and that if I went to sleep I'd never see my family again.
 
Here's some free advice that would otherwise cost you: durgz aren't enlightenment.

Don't call me elementary and uneducated without me taking a shot at you by calling you a raving drug abuser who is now convinced they understand the meaning of life and insists everyone around them follow the same route. Don't tell me you understand the mysteries of life because you smoked drugs. DMT is not going to show me anything but what it's like to experience a psychotic break. Amphetamines are terrible for your health and will waste your time away. Don't tell me you've experienced a loss of your ego and came back with all this deep, personal insight into the experience, because there isn't a way to escape the ego. The feeling of not having an ego is the ego. There is no such thing as "ego death" so refrain from thinking you know what you're talking about because you've heard other people refer to it. It bothers me when druggies lay down the law based on their own ambiguous trips.

And stop using quantum mechanics to validate infinity. It's more like darkness because we know nothing substantial about the subject.
 
fridgebuzz said:
Here's some free advice that would otherwise cost you: durgz aren't enlightenment.

Don't call me elementary and uneducated without me taking a shot at you by calling you a raving drug abuser who is now convinced they understand the meaning of life and insists everyone around them follow the same route. Don't tell me you understand the mysteries of life because you smoked drugs. DMT is not going to show me anything but what it's like to experience a psychotic break. Amphetamines are terrible for your health and will waste your time away. Don't tell me you've experienced a loss of your ego and came back with all this deep, personal insight into the experience, because there isn't a way to escape the ego. The feeling of not having an ego is the ego. There is no such thing as "ego death" so refrain from thinking you know what you're talking about because you've heard other people refer to it. It bothers me when druggies lay down the law based on their own ambiguous trips.

And stop using quantum mechanics to validate infinity. It's more like darkness because we know nothing substantial about the subject.
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Thank you.
 
fridgebuzz said:
Here's some free advice that would otherwise cost you: durgz aren't enlightenment.

Don't call me elementary and uneducated without me taking a shot at you by calling you a raving drug abuser who is now convinced they understand the meaning of life and insists everyone around them follow the same route. Don't tell me you understand the mysteries of life because you smoked drugs. DMT is not going to show me anything but what it's like to experience a psychotic break. Amphetamines are terrible for your health and will waste your time away. Don't tell me you've experienced a loss of your ego and came back with all this deep, personal insight into the experience, because there isn't a way to escape the ego. The feeling of not having an ego is the ego. There is no such thing as "ego death" so refrain from thinking you know what you're talking about because you've heard other people refer to it. It bothers me when druggies lay down the law based on their own ambiguous trips.

And stop using quantum mechanics to validate infinity. It's more like darkness because we know nothing substantial about the subject.
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first of all i never labelled you as an uneducated person or in any way implied it. do not disregard the connection between psychedelics and spirituality there is history to prove it. i do happen to be a person that believes that we are all one and that love is the highest energy, big thanks to my ambiguos trips. i did not discover the secret behind the universe but i did grasp the concept of infinity. i see it in a tiny pebble. im not trying to impose my ideas, i was just making suggestions. we all have different reality tunnels based on our experiences. your reality tunnel does not include the I WORD. but you dont have to be all condescending about it if some one tries to debate it with you. so get off your high horse and stop putting labels on people. the lesson for you would be: psychedelic drugs are tools that help us achieve enlightenment.

infinite peace and love.
 
Drugs aren't enlightenment, but they can be valuable tools in such pursuits. They may even be valuable in scientific pursuits. Many great strides in physics in the twentieth century were the result of one person looking at a problem from a unique perspective, often inspired by everyday events. A drug induced change in perception could lead to revolutionary New thought in fields such as string theory or dark matter research

fridgebuzz said:
Here's some free advice that would otherwise cost you: durgz aren't enlightenment.

Don't call me elementary and uneducated without me taking a shot at you by calling you a raving drug abuser who is now convinced they understand the meaning of life and insists everyone around them follow the same route. Don't tell me you understand the mysteries of life because you smoked drugs. DMT is not going to show me anything but what it's like to experience a psychotic break. Amphetamines are terrible for your health and will waste your time away. Don't tell me you've experienced a loss of your ego and came back with all this deep, personal insight into the experience, because there isn't a way to escape the ego. The feeling of not having an ego is the ego. There is no such thing as "ego death" so refrain from thinking you know what you're talking about because you've heard other people refer to it. It bothers me when druggies lay down the law based on their own ambiguous trips.

And stop using quantum mechanics to validate infinity. It's more like darkness because we know nothing substantial about the subject.
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IamMe90 said:
How is DMT going to show you what it's like to experience a psychotic break? The two are nothing alike.
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well it is a very dangerous drug according to the media. i tried it once and thought that i was orange juice, i was highly enlightned %)
 
The idea that psychs bring enlightenment and the idea that they bring derangement are equally unsubtle and equally wrong.
 
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