Best psychedelic for shifting focus, specifically getting over someone

[atara]

Hey, guys, what should I take?

Oh, right, don't we have, like, a rule against threads about this?

This thread generated some interesting discussion, so I'll move it to Second Opinion instead of locking it if people want to continue this there.

 

[Newbierock]

Holy - crap.

I Was only kinda joking when I said you seem stalkerish. But god damn your posts in here have opened my eyes.
I'll see you on the news in a year or two when you've used your semi-photographic memory to find out shes lying to you, and you've killed her.

 

[gen6k]

Holy - crap.

I Was only kinda joking when I said you seem stalkerish. But god damn your posts in here have opened my eyes.
I'll see you on the news in a year or two when you've used your semi-photographic memory to find out shes lying to you, and you've killed her.

Wow you're an idiot, you seem to be in some kind of a sedentry opium den that nullifies the capability of depth-psychcology. The point I was trying to make is that many people try to override these contingencies with their partner. Has a girlfriend ever lied to you, and you didn't know what to say or didn't even want to notice? Many peoples Jobs inherently require this sort of lens in the first place, for example a mother, did your mother know that you were probably out doing drugs that day but didn't say anything. What about a police officer that has experience with these types of situations. Maybe you havent held a public position or studied the world enough to know that people are Memetic vehicles with certain regulatory excitations and pick up certain behavioral patterning. Many kids lie when they are younger, but often develop the skills to take on life in a more confident fashion. One of the reasons to lie is that it is castrating and castrated of power, but when someone has a real basis to fall on then it is no longer an accessory of function. What are you talking about anyways she was my friend, and wanted to hang out with me but was living at her boyfriends place. I accept that people lie, you probably rather avoid it or something I don't know. What is the point of doing psychedelic drugs, and reading if you are still a worm that has no clue how you're going in or how or why something happens. Again, I'm taking a more intersubjective stance towards the positions of people, not an emotional-personal one. You're completely off.

know thyself - nietzsche

 

[IamMe90]

Also, I "extract patterns" from every behavior of a person if im interested in them. I also have a semi-photographic memory, I can remember everything they said, what they were wearing, their expressions. Within a few weeks, I was able to know when she omits something, when she lies, how she is going to react, what makes her laugh, what she likes about me, etc. I even wrote down exactly how she was going to react. I doubt that you can read a face this well. It is true, that I am not immediatly "coinjoined as one" since that takes time.

Dude, I'm not gonna lie, you sound like you're seriously aspergers or autism here. You should probably see a psychiatrist and see if there is some professional therapeutic help you can get for your problems instead of turning to a psychedelic which will in all likelihood not significantly alter the outcome of your life at all really.

 

[PsychedelicPeptide]

I always thought psychedelics help strengthen bonds between people, or if you are by yourself when you trip, your bond with your own mind. So I don't really see where a good psychedelic will help someone get over someone else. The drug experience could even make things worse if the user just dwells on the lingering thoughts.

My only positive suggestion regarding drugs would be to maybe take a bus ride to a movie theater with a head full of something nice and watch a long comedy or action flick, preferably with a friend or two. Or go see a live music show. Whatever you do just pick something fun that will occupy your mind and go do it. But you will need to consult the information in this forum first before figuring out what "something nice" might be for your specific needs. "Something nice" may just be sobriety...

 

[gen6k]

Dude, I'm not gonna lie, you sound like you're seriously aspergers or autism here. You should probably see a psychiatrist and see if there is some professional therapeutic help you can get for your problems instead of turning to a psychedelic which will in all likelihood not significantly alter the outcome of your life at all really.

Nice one, I had the same thought a month ago, I might be quasi-aspergian. My voice intonation is sometimes off or slightly robotic. But I did grow up around people and was never at home by myself. So, no. Id rather take a psychedelic and think for myself. Maybe just the negation component is missing in this method.


I might just go see art, and go to the library. My friend told me to just go into the forest on mushrooms which is slightly more self-contained.

 

[Ralt]

Moderate to high dose of MXE. After my ex dumped me I took MXE and really got the fuck over her and took my life in a whole new direction. The clarity that you get when you inspect your own mind is fascinating, I could see why I loved her, why that's still okay, but also that I can't keep obsessing and clinging to the past.

Also, dude, you only talked to this girl. You're not in love, you just wish you were so you made yourself feel that way, you remind me of my high school days. You can't "be in love" with someone who doesn't love you(sans you falling for the other person first whilst in a relationship), that's called obsession.

 

[Charleston_Car]

Man, you don't need psychedelic drugs to get over this freaky bimbo, that might even just make the problem worse, I mean, you're gonna go into the trip obsessing about this chick, and what's going to happen? You're going to thought loop yourself into oblivion and come out of the trip in a completely fucked up head-space! This is one of those things that'd be best to tackle sober, you know? What I'd recommend, man, is like, just move on, start talking to other girls, just don't obsess so much, you know? Go out with a few friends, shit, go out by yourself, go for a bike ride, go for a drunk bike ride, sit on a bridge and contemplate existence, I don't know, it's just, one girl isn't the end of the world, I know it's a dumb fuckin' cliche but, plenty more fish in the sea ect, (instead of you doing psychedelics, give em to another girl and take advantage of her, make her fall in love with you) (or not, you'd probably get arrested lololol)

 

[jaurk]

This guy is freaky.
And he reminds me of my ex how he complicates simple factors into word-salad that needs decoding.
He also seems to think that he is better than everyone.

I'm going to take a shot that he's an INTJ, are you?
And if not, you should do the test for me
(www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/jtypes2.asp)
(Sorry for the non drug-related talk)

Also, I think what this guy needs is a new woman, a vacation to another country for like a month, or some friends to chill with (Though he sounds like the introverted type).
His actions are very unhealthy.

 

[gen6k]

This guy is freaky.
And he reminds me of my ex how he complicates simple factors into word-salad that needs decoding.
He also seems to think that he is better than everyone.

I'm going to take a shot that he's an INTJ, are you?
And if not, you should do the test for me
(www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/jtypes2.asp)
(Sorry for the non drug-related talk)

Also, I think what this guy needs is a new woman, a vacation to another country for like a month, or some friends to chill with (Though he sounds like the introverted type).
His actions are very unhealthy.

That is the first one I scored, but it variates between the INs depending on the time, what my memory is specifically targeting at the moment or just gut reaction.

I can talk to most girls easily, but most of them I don't talk to. So it might take some time to find someone again, better move to a better pool. Im not really that introverted, I'm more like exceedingly dualistic. I used to live in a house with 12 people. At one of my jobs I hung out with all girls like 8 of them we went to lunch together, then I kept on finding groups of 2-3 girls and join them depending on shift/day.

 

[ColtDan]

Moderate to high dose of MXE. After my ex dumped me I took MXE and really got the fuck over her and took my life in a whole new direction. The clarity that you get when you inspect your own mind is fascinating, I could see why I loved her, why that's still okay, but also that I can't keep obsessing and clinging to the past.

Also, dude, you only talked to this girl. You're not in love, you just wish you were so you made yourself feel that way, you remind me of my high school days. You can't "be in love" with someone who doesn't love you(sans you falling for the other person first whilst in a relationship), that's called obsession.

this.

MXE, Ketamine, or DMT

 

[pofacedhoe]

I am sorry if this isn't particularly helpful, but I feel that you need to deal with this issue without the use of psychedelics. For me, psychedelics rarely ever change the way I think or act. I would say their beauty lies in their ability to emphasize things that you already know.

Most of the revelations I've had on psychedelics I already knew before tripping. Good psychedelics are just a key to a door that already exists in your mind. Sometime it is difficult for us to open these doors due to certain expectations that the pressures of late stage capitalism tend to promote.

I actually have the exact same problem as you do. I tend to get stuck and I find it difficult to move on, even in situations where there aren't any reciprocal feelings involved (female friends), I am not sure psychedelics are necessarily the correct solution to such problems. I feel that in order to get over such self-destructive behaviour, you have to figure some things out for yourself.

to get over someone you need to cut contact and distract yourself. drugs that open up your subconcious are not good for getting over someone. to get over someone your feelings need to be repressed naturally and then your unconcious can deal with them and heal the emotional wounds without you having to be bothered by it every five minutes. this is why people say it takes time to get over someone. because it does and it happens naturally.

 

[twelvesevndi]

One of the reasons to lie is that it is castrating and castrated of power, but when someone has a real basis to fall on then it is no longer an accessory of function. What are you talking about anyways she was my friend, and wanted to hang out with me but was living at her boyfriends place. I accept that people lie, you probably rather avoid it or something I don't know. What is the point of doing psychedelic drugs, and reading if you are still a worm that has no clue how you're going in or how or why something happens.

lolololololol
you can't even form a sentence man. you need to get off the drugs for a bit.

and pick some new reading material! Foucault was a terrible person, McKenna is batshit insane. you don't want to be like them.

these readings and the psychs seem to be obscuring your perception of truth.

 

[twelvesevndi]

Also, dude, you only talked to this girl. You're not in love, you just wish you were so you made yourself feel that way, you remind me of my high school days. You can't "be in love" with someone who doesn't love you, that's called obsession.

This is one of those things that'd be best to tackle sober, you know? What I'd recommend, man, is like, just move on, start talking to other girls, just don't obsess so much, you know? Go out with a few friends, shit, go out by yourself, go for a bike ride, go for a drunk bike ride, sit on a bridge and contemplate existence, I don't know, it's just, one girl isn't the end of the world, I know it's a dumb fuckin' cliche but, plenty more fish in the sea etc

to get over someone you need to cut contact and distract yourself. drugs that open up your subconcious are not good for getting over someone. to get over someone your feelings need to be repressed naturally and then your unconcious can deal with them and heal the emotional wounds without you having to be bothered by it every five minutes. this is why people say it takes time to get over someone. because it does and it happens naturally.

me and all these other people have been through similar problems as you. we all got through it with the help of real world experience and time spent "growing-up."

you just need to put in time with other people. even a close friendship with another male could help you through some of these issues. it sounds like there is so much you haven't experienced yet! I mean you haven't even been in love by the sounds of it! just obsessed with girls you have never kissed or even taken on a lunch date.
go live!

 

[ToxicFerret]

lolololololol
you can't even form a sentence man. you need to get off the drugs for a bit.

these readings and the psychs seem to be obscuring your perception of truth.

^This.

From your posts I think we can establish that MORE psychedelics are definitely not a good idea!

My interweb spider-sense is screaming 'troll alert!' but I could be wrong. If this thread is for real an not trolling I strongly suggest the OP should get some psychiatric help from a qualified professional instead of trying to make yourself sane via psychedelic drugs. Tripping =/= problem solving, especially for an obsessive person with what appears to be schizophrenic tendencies.

Seriously man, out of love for my fellow human beings please look into getting professional help for your mental problems. Being in therapy makes you no less of a person. And in this case it may likely improve your life and the lives of your friends and/or family.

 

[ToxicFerret]

Hey there everybody: for some reason VB won't let me edit my post. So I'm gonna go ahead n do the double post. If it really is such a huge deal to one or more of you mods by all means merge the two.

Anyway what I wanted to clarify was that I think if you (the OP/Gen6K) will take the advice to seek psychiatric help and the possibly requisite pharmacological aid (NOT psychedelics, likely antipsychotics) that you will find your problem solved! I'm NOT a gambling man; 25 cent poker is my limit monetarily as far as gambling goes. That said, I would wager real money that professional help will get you so much closer to freeing yourself from obsession over that girl than psychedelics. Judging by your posts I think psychedelics would do more harm than good by exacerbating your psychiatric issues, and I suspect prior psychedelic use may have been one factor in the problem arising in the first place.

The other clarification is that when I said that love for my fellow men and women motivated me to suggest psychiatric help, I wasn't speaking so much about other people benefiting by preventing you from harming them. Rather I was referring to you. If I try my best to love all my fellow men and women equally, I must then try my earnest best to talk you into seeking psychiatric counseling, for you are one of my fellow men. Obviously I don't know you personally but your posts suggest psychiatric issues that have likely been exacerbated by using psychedelic drugs. And so I beg of you, for your own good, don't use a psychedelic drug ever again and do seek counseling. By following those instructions I suspect the rest will fall into place and your obsession with the girl will wane naturally and of its own accord.

But yeah, I just wanted to clarify that what I said wasn't meant to belittle or insult you. On the contrary it was spoken out of love and a desire to see you resolve your problems naturally, without the use of psychedelics.

Best wishes! I hope you will at least give my suggestions some thought. Good luck, and godspeed!

 

[NeonDreams]

Wow you're an idiot, you seem to be in some kind of a sedentry opium den that nullifies the capability of depth-psychcology. The point I was trying to make is that many people try to override these contingencies with their partner. Has a girlfriend ever lied to you, and you didn't know what to say or didn't even want to notice? Many peoples Jobs inherently require this sort of lens in the first place, for example a mother, did your mother know that you were probably out doing drugs that day but didn't say anything. What about a police officer that has experience with these types of situations. Maybe you havent held a public position or studied the world enough to know that people are Memetic vehicles with certain regulatory excitations and pick up certain behavioral patterning. Many kids lie when they are younger, but often develop the skills to take on life in a more confident fashion. One of the reasons to lie is that it is castrating and castrated of power, but when someone has a real basis to fall on then it is no longer an accessory of function. What are you talking about anyways she was my friend, and wanted to hang out with me but was living at her boyfriends place. I accept that people lie, you probably rather avoid it or something I don't know. What is the point of doing psychedelic drugs, and reading if you are still a worm that has no clue how you're going in or how or why something happens. Again, I'm taking a more intersubjective stance towards the positions of people, not an emotional-personal one. You're completely off.

know thyself - nietzsche

Wow
Fucking Nietzche

 

[NeonDreams]

I went through these same emotions and patterns of thinking while I was much younger, probably between 10 through 15.
I couldn't help my feelings, as I'm sure neither can you. It was in fact the help of disassociates that seemed to help me. I also went through alot of relationships until I chilled the fuck out.

How old are you bro?

 

[gen6k]

lolololololol
you can't even form a sentence man. you need to get off the drugs for a bit.

and pick some new reading material! Foucault was a terrible person, McKenna is batshit insane. you don't want to be like them.

these readings and the psychs seem to be obscuring your perception of truth.

Yeah, my post implies that I think Foucault was a terrible person, but you can't escape his front on release from sociocultural perceptual domination which you are tending to, its also terrible.

Terrence Mckenna is just speculative, but I was trying to underlie the point that the feeling of "love" is past all supramundane rationalizations of positioning that a human being can come up with. How can I really say why I am here, or there in the first place? Some people even deny themselves of this for lesser reasons. Many people tend to put "directionalities" before falling in love which is a good idea and I also talked about, but ultimately the decision is on archaic chemistry even if a person is this or that fault.

 

[gen6k]

Hey there everybody: for some reason VB won't let me edit my post. So I'm gonna go ahead n do the double post. If it really is such a huge deal to one or more of you mods by all means merge the two.

Anyway what I wanted to clarify was that I think if you (the OP/Gen6K) will take the advice to seek psychiatric help and the possibly requisite pharmacological aid (NOT psychedelics, likely antipsychotics) that you will find your problem solved! I'm NOT a gambling man; 25 cent poker is my limit monetarily as far as gambling goes. That said, I would wager real money that professional help will get you so much closer to freeing yourself from obsession over that girl than psychedelics. Judging by your posts I think psychedelics would do more harm than good by exacerbating your psychiatric issues, and I suspect prior psychedelic use may have been one factor in the problem arising in the first place.

The other clarification is that when I said that love for my fellow men and women motivated me to suggest psychiatric help, I wasn't speaking so much about other people benefiting by preventing you from harming them. Rather I was referring to you. If I try my best to love all my fellow men and women equally, I must then try my earnest best to talk you into seeking psychiatric counseling, for you are one of my fellow men. Obviously I don't know you personally but your posts suggest psychiatric issues that have likely been exacerbated by using psychedelic drugs. And so I beg of you, for your own good, don't use a psychedelic drug ever again and do seek counseling. By following those instructions I suspect the rest will fall into place and your obsession with the girl will wane naturally and of its own accord.

But yeah, I just wanted to clarify that what I said wasn't meant to belittle or insult you. On the contrary it was spoken out of love and a desire to see you resolve your problems naturally, without the use of psychedelics.

Best wishes! I hope you will at least give my suggestions some thought. Good luck, and godspeed!

Why do you see this as a psychiatric issue? And how is it different from any other typical case of moderatly intense rejection? How do people start talking when they are in love? If they are christian, they start reciting passages from the schizophrenic bible. If they are goth, then they start talking about how they want to die together. If they are poets, then they drink some wine and say some fantastical thing. I did admit that I have obessional issues, and no longer want to put so much time into "getting ready for a special relationship", should do the opposite instead, "let it come towards me if it happens". I dont think an antipsychotic would help very much with my line of thinking unless it was some kind of "obession" antidote. Isnt it more for like stopping auditory/visual hallucinations/disorganized thinking/apathy.

My first obsession was before taking drugs. I dont know if drugs exaberated it, but now I am able to actually outline and analyze my "format of obsession". Maybe therapy would help in talking to someone, and trying to get to the root of the problem.