Best psychedelic for shifting focus, specifically getting over someone

[gen6k]

Hello,


I have done lsa, 2ci, 2ce and ayahuasca.

So, recently I got rejected by a girl that no longer wants to talk to me. She thinks that we only talked 5 times, while we actually talked everyday after class so I dont know if she has an erratic memory problem, or was inversely telescoping the past. Basically she doesnt understand me even though she acted like she did in person. I chose to give her a letter on the last day of school talking about some of my past, and aspirations. Of course this was too early, but it was my mistake for not following "the culture industry".

Lately I have been thinking about her all day, I am actually extremely liable to "fall in love for long periods of time". I used to like a girl for 6 years, and I couldnt even really communicate with her. Even 2 years after I saw her I would go by her school to try and see if I could talk to her. This brought on loads of bouts of depression for years. This is my second big rejection or basically dissemination. This time I tried to act in an almost opposite fashion, was confident poetics and philosophical. Drugs helped me achieve this state of being. I wasted a very pertinent amount of my time trying to get to her, and even "deconstructed" the validity of the letter while clarifying its impressionistic contents cause I was drunk so on and so forth literary fiction. I wrote her a poem, a song and a cover. My grades fell a letter grade last semester, and now its even hard to go to class.

This time I am trying to not let this happen again. I need something that can really burn down the walls, and examine my direction, find myself again because I am lost without her, put more focus on cherishing my interests, stop putting all my time into other people, planning my move to new york, etc. I have to move I cant be in this town. And unlock all those things that you wouldn't even know that psychedelics could unlock.

LSA - I have done this several times, and find it very spiritual but the content seems to wash away in the sand. It does leave me with a more positive mood and is rather light on confrontation. Maybe a larger dose.

2ce - I find it kind of flat. But I did have some very powerful experiences, even though this is not a good contestant because I picked up some behavioral patterns which I have tried to diminish but still resonate with me, for example a "superiority complex" and "foucaultean sexuality". I picked this up from one looping trip, but the other 4 trips were rather charming.

2ci - It is alot of fun, but not introspective enough it seems to be more "phenomenological"

Ayahuasca - My latest trip culminated into a part thinking about her where the surroundings turned red while thinking about the romance. I felt the "teleological attractor", felt alien entities and heard shamanic chants. It was like a collapse of the distant past, and future. It did have a therapeutic effect as she sucked my soul for eternity.

So, I am trying to look for something that can help me tackle this mountain. Maybe a combination of psychedelics? ayahuasca + psilocybin or what about ibogaine?


Thank you all.

 

[wayab]

i would say iboga.
i had only one experiance with 2.5g powdered root(400mg ketamine+grapefruit juice&st. john's wort the night before, when i took the iboga i could still feel some left over effects from the k) and didn't expect much at all. i had no change in perseptions and such but my thinking was affected like no other psychedelic at a threshold dose and saw things in my life that were right there infront of my nose but didn't notice them before. it helped me fix some things and realiaze some stuff about me and my surrounding.
iboga sounds like a great teacher to me much more than other substances i can only imagine what a full blown dose would be
a friend that dosed same amount that same time reported similar effects but another friend weeks later with the same dose from the same iboga said he didn't feel anything... so for iboga alone i think a larger dose would be needed.

 

[NeonDreams]

Psyches might not be the best idea for this situation. In circumstances like losing a loved one or feeling a sort of rejection or failure, these types of drugs can amplify the negative feeling and bring out alot of thinking that you might not want to go through at the moment.
In theory, someone in your position might want to look at dissociation drugs that work on a NMDA receptor.

 

[AndroidsDreamofBTC]

I am sorry if this isn't particularly helpful, but I feel that you need to deal with this issue without the use of psychedelics. For me, psychedelics rarely ever change the way I think or act. I would say their beauty lies in their ability to emphasize things that you already know.

Most of the revelations I've had on psychedelics I already knew before tripping. Good psychedelics are just a key to a door that already exists in your mind. Sometime it is difficult for us to open these doors due to certain expectations that the pressures of late stage capitalism tend to promote.

I actually have the exact same problem as you do. I tend to get stuck and I find it difficult to move on, even in situations where there aren't any reciprocal feelings involved (female friends), I am not sure psychedelics are necessarily the correct solution to such problems. I feel that in order to get over such self-destructive behaviour, you have to figure some things out for yourself.

 

[NeonDreams]

I am sorry if this isn't particularly helpful, but I feel that you need to deal with this issue without the use of psychedelics. For me, psychedelics rarely ever change the way I think or act. I would say their beauty lies in their ability to emphasize things that you already know.

Most of the revelations I've had on psychedelics I already knew before tripping. Good psychedelics are just a key to a door that already exists in your mind. Sometime it is difficult for us to open these doors due to certain expectations that the pressures of late stage capitalism tend to promote.

I actually have the exact same problem as you do. I tend to get stuck and I find it difficult to move on, even in situations where there aren't any reciprocal feelings involved (female friends), I am not sure psychedelics are necessarily the correct solution to such problems. I feel that in order to get over such self-destructive behaviour, you have to figure some things out for yourself.

This is a good answer as well.

If we think about it though weather you are using a substance or a psychological manipulation tactics- different strokes for different folks.

 

[califrog]

I know how you feel but there is no magical solution just time. Stay busy, keep friends close, explore different approaches to dealing with your pain. I know it sucks but you are more likely to dwell and fixate even more if you choose to alter your state.

 

[gen6k]

Well,

I am not in I would say a "total depressive" state. When I listen to music I get really happy. I don't know, maybe these feelings of psychedelics being able to solidify direction come from my last ayahuasca trip. I had some moments where I would concentrate on my music, and contemplate some girls of the past. I also was able to position myself probabilistically somewhere in the future. So some of you are right that psychedelics don't really change anything, but they do give me something to do which I praise often. Im just extremely bored with my mentality, so mostly any changes of perception could be helpful. I have this thing when I trip now, where I try to learn about certain things basically "destratification" or "outside the box". So I'll have a trip where I just listen to music, then I'll make a song the next day and continue. I mean, even if nothing changes, I think that it is good to try to burn it down you know as in life in general. I can't say that any "tantalizing depressive emotion" has come from other people during a trip. I'm more of an analytical/distant thinker that reciprocates towards himself. Ibogaine seems like a good idea, it seems like good marijuana where your conscious-stream-of-thought starts catching and putting all these things together about your life. I mean ergoloids do increase synaptogenesis and all that, so it could possibly speed up the process. A thread of my phase these past months have been at looking at life like a circus, or a joke. I know that I'm going to make it, I'm not like a weakling because of my experiences. I just need to get laid or something you know.

I dont like NMDA antagonism doesn't it cause cognitive problems, I take oxiracetam sometimes an NMDA potentiator. I tried ketamine before and I just went on some kind of rollercoaster of time and didn't feel anywhere or something.

 

[Newbierock]

Sorry dude but you sound a bit mental, & possibly a stalker.

Even 2 years after I saw her I would go by her school to try and see if I could talk to her

Someone who does stuff like that, should really be learning how not to be a stalker, instead of taking drugs.

& Sorry if I seem harsh, but an ex gf of mine wasl ike you, we were together for no more than a month & when we broke up for nearly a year she wouldn't leave me alone. And tbh it's pretty damn intimidating.

 

[gen6k]

Sorry dude but you sound a bit mental, & possibly a stalker.

Even 2 years after I saw her I would go by her school to try and see if I could talk to her
Someone who does stuff like that, should really be learning how not to be a stalker, instead of taking drugs.

& Sorry if I seem harsh, but an ex gf of mine wasl ike you, we were together for no more than a month & when we broke up for nearly a year she wouldn't leave me alone. And tbh it's pretty damn intimidating.

How do I sound mental? I don't know if you read astrology, but Tauruses are ruled by the planet venus. This is just an archetypal calculation, but it has been true for a very long time. I'm introverted about being extroverted because I grew up around friends, and never studied when I was younger. She was friends with me on facebook, and I talked to her on facebook and she would like what I said. Am I supposed to ask her if I can go to her campus to run in to her or what? Cause she would of said yes. She would go up to me at school and try to start conversation, but I would start being funny talking about pictures I was looking at online. We had alot of classes together, and I would say a couple of things then I wouldnt say anything the next day because I didn't feel confident. And I didn't even walk into the campus, just the front of it, I didn't go by the campus to talk to her, I was going to a party and saw the campus on the way because she lived in that area. How are you supposed to go for it? By not talking to the person, or not being platonic at all? Some people are just different in their approach, not everyone is like you, and everyone takes things in a different fashion its all about locality unless you are connected to some arbitrary ideology. I wouldnt of done anything if she didn't respond in the way she did, she would even look right into my eyes and contemplate it, but just because I've tripped and so and so forth she couldnt accept me. When you looked at your girlfriend what did you do? Like get away from me. If there is a chance I'm taking it, but I guess some people are entirely subtly psychotic. Guess what, I didn't have sex with anyone all of highschool because I was internally faithful to that girl from the first class we had first period of high school. You probably can't imagine how blown up im going to feel when I catch a big fish.

Just wait till you fall in love with a girl that is out of your league, and you'll feel like a speechless ant.

 

[polidelaiko]

How about meeting new girls?

 

[somedud]

Dude, you wernt even in a relationship with this chick, go to the gym and find some new girls, seriously. Psychs can warp your mind around this chick and it would not result good, you seem like the creepy type, you might want to work on that.

You only spoke to this chick, that doesnt mean anything, maybe justa friendship? stop being so feeble minded.

 

[twelvesevndi]

How do I sound mental? I don't know if you read astrology, but Tauruses are ruled by the planet venus. This is just an archetypal calculation, but it has been true for a very long time. I'm introverted about being extroverted because I grew up around friends, and never studied when I was younger. She was friends with me on facebook, and I talked to her on facebook and she would like what I said. Am I supposed to ask her if I can go to her campus to run in to her or what? Cause she would of said yes. She would go up to me at school and try to start conversation, but I would start being funny talking about pictures I was looking at online. We had alot of classes together, and I would say a couple of things then I wouldnt say anything the next day because I didn't feel confident. And I didn't even walk into the campus, just the front of it, I didn't go by the campus to talk to her, I was going to a party and saw the campus on the way because she lived in that area. How are you supposed to go for it? By not talking to the person, or not being platonic at all? Some people are just different in their approach, not everyone is like you, and everyone takes things in a different fashion its all about locality unless you are connected to some arbitrary ideology. I wouldnt of done anything if she didn't respond in the way she did, she would even look right into my eyes and contemplate it, but just because I've tripped and so and so forth she couldnt accept me. When you looked at your girlfriend what did you do? Like get away from me. If there is a chance I'm taking it, but I guess some people are entirely subtly psychotic. Guess what, I didn't have sex with anyone all of highschool because I was internally faithful to that girl from the first class we had first period of high school. You probably can't imagine how blown up im going to feel when I catch a big fish.

Just wait till you fall in love with a girl that is out of your league, and you'll feel like a speechless ant.

uhhhhhh now you are sounding really crazy. and you say "Some people are just different in their approach, not everyone is like you," like you have imagined an identity for this other poster who hasn't said anything about how he courts ladies.

also. chatting to a girl on facebook means NOTHING.

its just really hard to deal with other people, guy. I used to take it just as hard and personally as you are now. In fact I frequently still do. Drugs make for a great temporary fix but my problem is that I think about things too much and I act like a needy little bitch sometimes. Tripping helps put that in perspective sometimes but obviously i want a permanent resolution to my issues not a temporary one.

i suggest you take about 25 mg of 2C-E and then go surprise this girl after class with some flowers

 

[gen6k]

yeah exactly, chatting with a girl on facebook means NOTHING i understand that. well he obviously thinks he is "more" than his ex-girlfriend, but maybe its a lack of sincerity and more bad faith. i'm just throwing it out in the dark. my point is that these points are highly superficial, and the only thing that matters is the super-archaic master in the chaotic realm which is beyond space and time. let me tell you this, if you cant accept someone for who they are, then you'll never be faithful to any higher degree of potential. and you know this before anything happens. i'm not talking to her, but when she is where i'm at she'll think about me for sure. if you don't go in with a blast you have nothing there folks, and if it fails its a brilliant mistake.

 

[ColtDan]

Mxe

dmt

 

[Bi0hazardOpeth]

I agree, you gotta go for it, so what if you get rejected every situation in life is a learning experience. If you don't attempt things, how can you ever achieve anything. I assume non of us were able to walk the first time we tried - when we were months old, but now it's something that is per-attentive and generally feels natural.

Interesting you say 2c-I is phenomenological - I feel the same way. That was one of my main studies in college, I'm in love with many of the Heidegger readings.

Want to elaborate further on your associations with 2c-i and phenomenology?

PS: Nice Frankfurt School of Thought, Adorno and Horkheimer reference =) - Have you Read - "The Culture Industry - Mass Enlightenment as Mass Deception" it was a collaboration between the two, that is different and much deeper than the Adorno book "The Culture Industry"?

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

Guess what, I didn't have sex with anyone all of highschool because I was internally faithful to that girl from the first class we had first period of high school.

I used to like a girl for 6 years, and I couldnt even really communicate with her. Even 2 years after I saw her I would go by her school to try and see if I could talk to her

So, recently I got rejected by a girl that no longer wants to talk to me....[I want to] find myself again because I am lost without her.

You have some serious obsession issues that need working out. You are not respecting these women, nor were you in love with them after a certain point, you were in love at them. Your feelings may be for some imaginary person in your head who happens to look like them, and who you project onto them. At least that's how it looks to me.

Therapy or some serious (sober, some more while tripping if you really want to) self-analysis is what you should be doing. Also, I don't think we can really recommend a single psychedelic as being uniquely suited to the purpose you want to use it for as they all affect people differently. They're not the psychological panacea you're looking at them as, only in certain circumstances for certain people do they 'cure' anything.

Or you could just pursue other women, put a time limit on how long you'll give something to work out (and don't go all platonic for too long either), if shit doesn't work out, move onto the next candidate. And if you're still having trouble obsessing over the person who rejected you, cut off all contact with them. I mean, don't use this solution long term, just a for a period to see if it'll jostle you out of your current undesirable habits.

 

[gen6k]

You have some serious obsession issues that need working out. You are not respecting these women, nor were you in love with them after a certain point, you were in love at them. Your feelings may be for some imaginary person in your head who happens to look like them, and who you project onto them. At least that's how it looks to me.

Therapy or some serious (sober, some more while tripping if you really want to) self-analysis is what you should be doing. Also, I don't think we can really recommend a single psychedelic as being uniquely suited to the purpose you want to use it for as they all affect people differently. They're not the psychological panacea you're looking at them as, only in certain circumstances for certain people do they 'cure' anything.

Or you could just pursue other women, put a time limit on how long you'll give something to work out (and don't go all platonic for too long either), if shit doesn't work out, move onto the next candidate. And if you're still having trouble obsessing over the person who rejected you, cut off all contact with them. I mean, don't use this solution long term, just a for a period to see if it'll jostle you out of your current undesirable habits.

Well thanks for trying to figure me out. First of all, it is a misnomer that all people love for the same reason or have one type of love. jeez, some people fall in love just to get US papers. For a long time, I have been philosophically contemplating the attributes of a woman that is the skeletal construct of a very good partner or a soulmate. I dont think absolute soulmates exist, more potential and cascading alignment soulmate. You see, if you cannot rationalize in or before love, then you fall into an abyss. I learned this from all my relationships I had especially my last one which proved my circumstance even more. Also, I "extract patterns" from every behavior of a person if im interested in them. I also have a semi-photographic memory, I can remember everything they said, what they were wearing, their expressions. Within a few weeks, I was able to know when she omits something, when she lies, how she is going to react, what makes her laugh, what she likes about me, etc. I even wrote down exactly how she was going to react. I doubt that you can read a face this well. It is true, that I am not immediatly "coinjoined as one" since that takes time. But one of the closer reasons I fall in love is an intuitive abstractional drive of trying to learn the lessons I need. So some people think I usually fall in love with the wrong kind of people for me, but that is untrue. From the onion of the first few encounters, the layers just peel off for infinity. I mean have you ever heard the term "love at first sight", I am not the first person to think like this. My task is to keep myself in line with a strong woman. Check out this quote by Sartre, it comes pretty close.


Stendhal in spite of his attachment to ideologists, and Proust in spite of his intellectualistic and analytical tendencies, have shown that love and jealousy can not be reduced to the strict desire of possessing a particular woman, but that these emotions aim at laying hold of the world in its entirety through the woman" (Essays in Existentialism, p.69).


A person is something very mystical, liquid, abstract, spiritual, etc on the other hand they are a set of attributes, gestures, localities, directionalities.

You see, colliqual people are in it for the game, philosophers examine the game. I mean what you are saying is that a philosopher has wasted his time by sitting in an armchair and trying to decipher the entire world. Of course it is not perfect, but I don't see why I cannot think the unthought. I don't see people as something more than human, I see eternal beauty in their humanness, over time we are all wrong about our choices. I am completely respecting these women, I don't pretend like I am "someone I'm not during the honeymoon phase then show my true self a year later". I also dont pretend like I don't know what doesnt exist within people, but loved them for all of it. I don't think that it is really a problem of course its mostly non-functional in a world where the internal psychic energy is further liquidated by external institutions.

This is really an old idea—the siren song of Pythagoras—that the mind is more powerful than any imaginable particle accelerator, more sensitive than any radio receiver or the largest optical telescope, more complete in its grasp of information than any computer: that the human body— its organs, its voice, its power of locomotion, and its imagination— is a more-than-sufficient means for the exploration of any place, time, or energy level in the universe. - Terrence Mckenna


The truth is that everyone conveys an image of their partner, and it might even proliferate into negativity and delusion the further you go. Some people say the object is clear when you first see it, but then gets muddied by conditioning. Some people say that the object is muddy at first hand, and only the platonic drive towards perfection deciphers it. Not saying that im special in anyway becuase I failed, but theres alot of ways to get to the same point. I was trying to do something different, it might of been amazing while inside of it starting out with the blaring truth.

I do find value in substitution after substitution, but that is the M1 for promescuity.

 

[twelvesevndi]

Also, I "extract patterns" from every behavior of a person if im interested in them. I also have a semi-photographic memory, I can remember everything they said, what they were wearing, their expressions. Within a few weeks, I was able to know when she omits something, when she lies, how she is going to react, what makes her laugh, what she likes about me, etc. I even wrote down exactly how she was going to react. I doubt that you can read a face this well. It is true, that I am not immediatly "coinjoined as one" since that takes time.

if you indulge in delusional thought processes like the above you will find it very difficult to manage any personal relationships at all let alone a complex romantic one.

 

[Necr0sis]

I am sorry if this isn't particularly helpful, but I feel that you need to deal with this issue without the use of psychedelics. For me, psychedelics rarely ever change the way I think or act. I would say their beauty lies in their ability to emphasize things that you already know.

Most of the revelations I've had on psychedelics I already knew before tripping. Good psychedelics are just a key to a door that already exists in your mind. Sometime it is difficult for us to open these doors due to certain expectations that the pressures of late stage capitalism tend to promote.

I actually have the exact same problem as you do. I tend to get stuck and I find it difficult to move on, even in situations where there aren't any reciprocal feelings involved (female friends), I am not sure psychedelics are necessarily the correct solution to such problems. I feel that in order to get over such self-destructive behaviour, you have to figure some things out for yourself.

i love u for saying thisss

 

[QuasiModo]

^yeah same. Beautiful interpretation