First time DXM use- specific questions.

[PuffinHerbs]

I've been sick with a cold and pretty bad cough this past week (kinda seems like bronchitis, but I'm not sure) and I wanted to give DXM a try. I started considering it mostly because I'm out of weed, and out of expendable income to buy some more at the moment. However, after doing a lot of research I've heard from a copious amount of sources that smoking greatly enhances the trip. I'm planning to do it this Friday so I'm going to try and scrape up some money for a dime or gram.

Other information:
The only drugs I have ever taken are weed (smoke it almost daily), drinking (few times a month), pain killers (codeine and vicodin, when friends have it).
I tried DXM before off 6 month expired Delsym cough syrup and some one year old expired Robitussin gel capsules, took about 150-200 mg and smoked a small amount of weed. I was definitely pretty high, more high than I would expect off such a small amount of weed, but I didn't trip at all.
I am about 5'11'' and weigh 185 pounds.

But now for some specific questions:
1. A few days ago I went out and bought a bottle of 20 Non-Drowsy formula Wal-Tussin gel capsules that's only active ingredient is Dextromethorphan HBr, USP 15 mg, is this the right kind? Will the "Non-Drowsy" change anything?

2. I have been taking Zyrtec for the past few months almost every night, which is an antihistamine, and I read somewhere that you're not suppose to take any within 6 weeks of taking DXM, is this true or false? Will it effect the trip? I have not taken it the past 3 nights just in case, and will continue not to.

3. How much should I take if I want to reach a high first plateau or low second? (This basically being my first time, and I'll also be in a house with other people so I don't want to get CARAZAY, however I won't really be talking to anyone.)

4. What's the best time of day to take DXM? Should I spread out taking the pills over the course of an hour? 30 mins? 10 mins? Or just take them all at once?

5. I read somewhere that poking a small whole in the capsules with a pin will help you digest the capsules better and bring on the trip faster, should I do this?

6. Most importantly, my cold has been getting a lot better and will probably be gone by Friday, however my cough is still bad and doesn't seem to be getting better, will this make my trip really shitty?

7. Also important, will I get very nauseous from DXM, specifically from the gel capsules? I have only thrown up 3 times in my life (So I'm pretty sure I have one hell of a strong stomach), once when I very little from getting sea sick, a second time when I was around 12 from getting very bad food poisoning, and a third time from getting black out drunk (but it was a very small amount, lol).

Any help with any of these questions is greatly appreciated.

 

[shady4091]

1. As long as you're ABSOLUTELY sure that there's nothing else in them besides the DXM you'll be fine. However, "non-drowsy" medicines usually do contain pseudoephedrine or other unpleasant things you DO NOT want in high doses. So double and triple check that label.

2. I looked up no dangerous interactions between the two.

3. If you've taken DXM before and had no allergic reactions (you said you've taken 200mg before?) then you might as well do the full 300mg This should have you somewhere in the mid to high second plateau.

4. Take all the pills at once in the early to mid evening.

5. Really not sure about this. Sounds silly and tedious, I wouldn't bother.

6. You're getting high on "cough medicine" dude. If anything it will make your cough go away. It won't get worse... (This made me lol)

7.There's a chance you will get nausea and or diarrhea, its pretty common, especially on the come up. I myself have never puked from it but the diarrhea is a pain in the ass... (no pun intended)

 

[acidclouds]

take loperamide 30-60 mins before the dxm to prevent diarrhea

 

[shady4091]

^ Good idea. I don't know why I never thought of that haha.

 

[acidclouds]

Yeah it works really well. The first time I did dxm I had a tiny dose (150mg) and got pretty bad diarrhea. Every time since I've used loperamide and while I still get gas and nausea I've never had diarrhea which is by far the worst of the three

 

[PuffinHerbs]

1. As long as you're ABSOLUTELY sure that there's nothing else in them besides the DXM you'll be fine. However, "non-drowsy" medicines usually do contain pseudoephedrine or other unpleasant things you DO NOT want in high doses. So double and triple check that label.

2. I looked up no dangerous interactions between the two.

3. If you've taken DXM before in medicinal dosages ~30-45mg and you're not allergic to it then I would start with 200mg

4. Take all the pills at once (200mg worth) in the early to mid evening.

5. Really not sure about this. Sounds silly and tedious, I wouldn't bother.

6. You're getting high on "cough medicine" dude. If anything it will make your cough go away. It won't get worse... (This made me lol)

7.There's a chance you will get nausea and or diarrhea, its pretty common, especially on the come up. I myself have never puked from it but the diarrhea is a pain in the ass... (no pun intended)

Thanks a lot for your time and info man! (Lololol at #7 ) I have question tho, would the pseudoephedrine be listed under Inactive ingredients? Because DXM is the only active one, and I don't see the pseudo under the inactive. Also, about #6, reason I asked was because I read on a forum somewhere about a trip report with a guy who had a bad cough when he took it, he said he still had to cough a lot but it was hard to and felt very weird, but I guess everyone experiences the effects differently, I just have to be optimistic.

 

[PuffinHerbs]

take loperamide 30-60 mins before the dxm to prevent diarrhea

Awesome, I'm gonna have to go pick some of that up.

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

Thanks a lot for your time and info man! (Lololol at #7 ) I have question tho, would the pseudoephedrine be listed under Inactive ingredients? Because DXM is the only active one, and I don't see the pseudo under the inactive. Also, about #6, reason I asked was because I read on a forum somewhere about a trip report with a guy who had a bad cough when he took it, he said he still had to cough a lot but it was hard to and felt very weird, but I guess everyone experiences the effects differently, I just have to be optimistic.

It would be under active ingredients, it probably just says non-drowsy because that brand normally comes with a sedating anti-histamine in the formulation, thus making this one the non-drowsy version.

 

[PuffinHerbs]

1. As long as you're ABSOLUTELY sure that there's nothing else in them besides the DXM you'll be fine. However, "non-drowsy" medicines usually do contain pseudoephedrine or other unpleasant things you DO NOT want in high doses. So double and triple check that label.

2. I looked up no dangerous interactions between the two.

3. If you've taken DXM before and had no allergic reactions (you said you've taken 200mg before?) then you might as well do the full 300mg This should have you somewhere in the mid to high second plateau.

4. Take all the pills at once in the early to mid evening.

5. Really not sure about this. Sounds silly and tedious, I wouldn't bother.

6. You're getting high on "cough medicine" dude. If anything it will make your cough go away. It won't get worse... (This made me lol)

7.There's a chance you will get nausea and or diarrhea, its pretty common, especially on the come up. I myself have never puked from it but the diarrhea is a pain in the ass... (no pun intended)

Concerning question #3: I took around 200 mg, wasn't really counting, but I had about 8 15mg pills and a few chugs of Delsym, they were both about 6-12 months expired. I smoked weed and didn't really feel anything besides being pretty high. Should I still take the 300mg or go for 200mg?

 

[cryptix420]

Make sure to take benadryl or a similar anti-histamine to prevent the dreaded roboitch. DXM can cause an unhealthy mass histamine release. Also, taking a bit of lemon juice will help balance the pH of your stomach to handle all the tussin. Diphenhydramine is also an anti-emetic so it will also aid in preventing nausea. Also make sure to drink a lot of water, all the sizzurp puts a lot of strain on your kidneys so you wanna help em out.

Nicotine, Cannabis, Shrooms...all awesome with DXM.

Here's a calculator for which plateau you wanna reach -

http://members.fortunecity.com/bluehat1/dxmcalculator.html

And here's a FAQ from erowid you need to read if you haven't -

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/faq/dxm_faq.shtml

 

[PuffinHerbs]

Make sure to take benadryl or a similar anti-histamine to prevent the dreaded roboitch. DXM can cause an unhealthy mass histamine release. Also, taking a bit of lemon juice will help balance the pH of your stomach to handle all the tussin. Diphenhydramine is also an anti-emetic so it will also aid in preventing nausea. Also make sure to drink a lot of water, all the sizzurp puts a lot of strain on your kidneys so you wanna help em out.

Nicotine, Cannabis, Shrooms...all awesome with DXM.

Here's a calculator for which plateau you wanna reach -

http://members.fortunecity.com/bluehat1/dxmcalculator.html

And here's a FAQ from erowid you need to read if you haven't -

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/faq/dxm_faq.shtml

Awesome info, thanks man! :D

 

[Rabbit]

5. I read somewhere that poking a small whole in the capsules with a pin will help you digest the capsules better and bring on the trip faster, should I do this?

No, I consider this a waste of time. Plus, the goo inside of those caps is very bitter, one of the main reasons people prefer the gelcaps to syrups is avoiding the taste (although syrups are typically a mix of all sorts of things to cover the bitter taste of DXM).

Don't worry about them not coming on fast enough, when they hit, they'll hit. If I were you, I'd avoid eating for about 12 hours before taking them, then eat a small snack with them. I find peanut butter and crackers go well with the gel caps, and my method is as follows: 5 caps, two crackers, repeat until all are down.

As you're on the small side like myself you get the added benefit of not needing to get down as many of these things as the bigger guys. One bottle should do you just fine (assuming you're buying the same kind as me here: 30 to a bottle at 15mg each). I'd actually suggest half the bottle, or 15 caps, as a good first experience (assuming you're not in the 3% or so of the population that lacks the enzyme to properly handle DXM).

I also suggest waiting for your cold to past before trying this. I find going into these things with a clear head to be best.

Good luck to you, and please mind all the warnings. DXM can be a wonderful thing when treated with the proper respect, it is not something you want to do everyday, much less, every week. Also, you might find that you don't like it, or it wasn't what you were expecting, do not be put down by this, DXM is not for everyone.

Also, I find that I have no desire to eat while the effects are still flowing through me, but afterwards I become really hungry. Have an easy to prepare meal ready for when you're back down. I usually grab some hot dogs and fries from a local place for my post-trip meal, and I find it helps avoid the shitty hang over feeling that DXM can give you. Its a funny drug...you either get a nice "afterglow" or you feel like crap for a day or so after and it seems totally random. In some way, I find that food helps, I think eating makes me feel "human" again or something to that effect. I also find that while in afterglow everything seems to have a stronger taste/smell, so if you enjoy a certain type of food it should taste even better while you're in afterglow.

 

[PuffinHerbs]

No, I consider this a waste of time. Plus, the goo inside of those caps is very bitter, one of the main reasons people prefer the gelcaps to syrups is avoiding the taste (although syrups are typically a mix of all sorts of things to cover the bitter taste of DXM).

Don't worry about them not coming on fast enough, when they hit, they'll hit. If I were you, I'd avoid eating for about 12 hours before taking them, then eat a small snack with them. I find peanut butter and crackers go well with the gel caps, and my method is as follows: 5 caps, two crackers, repeat until all are down.

As you're on the small side like myself you get the added benefit of not needing to get down as many of these things as the bigger guys. One bottle should do you just fine (assuming you're buying the same kind as me here: 30 to a bottle at 15mg each). I'd actually suggest half the bottle, or 15 caps, as a good first experience (assuming you're not in the 3% or so of the population that lacks the enzyme to properly handle DXM).

I also suggest waiting for your cold to past before trying this. I find going into these things with a clear head to be best.

Good luck to you, and please mind all the warnings. DXM can be a wonderful thing when treated with the proper respect, it is not something you want to do everyday, much less, every week. Also, you might find that you don't like it, or it wasn't what you were expecting, do not be put down by this, DXM is not for everyone.

Also, I find that I have no desire to eat while the effects are still flowing through me, but afterwards I become really hungry. Have an easy to prepare meal ready for when you're back down. I usually grab some hot dogs and fries from a local place for my post-trip meal, and I find it helps avoid the shitty hang over feeling that DXM can give you. Its a funny drug...you either get a nice "afterglow" or you feel like crap for a day or so after and it seems totally random. In some way, I find that food helps, I think eating makes me feel "human" again or something to that effect. I also find that while in afterglow everything seems to have a stronger taste/smell, so if you enjoy a certain type of food it should taste even better while you're in afterglow.

Interesting information with the food, thanks! I have a really stupid question tho lol, I was reading the bottle some more and it says "Don't take more than 8 liquidgels in any 24-hour period." Do all DXM products say this? Also, when is the best time to smoke some fine greens with DXM? And I don't really think I have a cold anymore, but I do have a sore throat and bad cough, should I wait till those go away before taking the DXM?

 

[MrKitty2]

All Dxm products aside from delsym will tell you not to take more than 4 doses or the equivalent during 24 hours, no big deal there

 

[Rabbit]

All Dxm products aside from delsym will tell you not to take more than 4 doses or the equivalent during 24 hours, no big deal there

Exactly.

You're basically taking a OTC with all sorts of dyes and plastics laden in it with god knows what else. As long as dex is the only active, you're generally okay, but you can't pretend that you aren't putting something that might be harmful into your body. What you're taking is formulated to be effective at 30mg, you're taking 150-300mg and that's a lot of filler.

To compare: If we were talking about pain medication think of those robo-gels as the "percocets". There is some good stuff in there, but its mostly crap, and ingesting large amounts of Acetaminophen isn't good for you.

There is no "safe" dosage, but there is a dosage that produce certain effects on the mind and body. I'll leave the decision up to you. You're asking the right questions.

About smoking: Any time is good, most say to do it at the peak because it tends to kicks things up a notch. I smoke on the come up, while peaking, after peaking....just whenever I feel the urge basically. I need to tell you though, the first time I tried this combo it triggered a panic attack but I think it had a lot to do with the setting. I shouldn't have even been there in the first place and I only his the joint a couple of times. I rolled like an entire dime bag and hit the thing twice, I couldn't handle it, and as a result my friend got a nice fatty of some local homegrown for free.

Anyway, for me, the first time I tried smoking with it I got this odd feeling in my chest, and then it felt like my heart wasn't beating exactly right, but I couldn't tell it if was too fast or slow, or beating at all. This led into a thought loop of doom, and I made haste back to my bedroom where things became so much more easy going.

Let us know how it goes.

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

Interesting information with the food, thanks! I have a really stupid question tho lol, I was reading the bottle some more and it says "Don't take more than 8 liquidgels in any 24-hour period." Do all DXM products say this? Also, when is the best time to smoke some fine greens with DXM? And I don't really think I have a cold anymore, but I do have a sore throat and bad cough, should I wait till those go away before taking the DXM?

They say that 'cause they don't want you getting high on it. As far as best time for herbage, I'd say have some before dosing to help with any associated nausea, then however much you feel like throughout the experience (great potentiation and anti-emetic capabilities, hoozah!).

 

[PuffinHerbs]

Thanks a bunch everyone, I'll definitely write up a trip report on how it went.

 

[Dimitri K.]

I don't really get the point of using DXM. Seems like you need to be both stupid and desperate to even get to the point of using it. It's more dangerous to overall brain health (neurotoxicity, cognitive impairment) than K is. There are just better disocciatives. If you need the legal, pretty easily obtainable, nitrous is a balloon-full of fun 8)

 

[acidclouds]

Stupid is a big call. From my understanding sensible use of dxm is not bad for your brain, less so than mdma for example and no one would say people that use that are stupid. Also DXM is safer than most drugs as it is legal. This means you know exactly what you're getting and can dose exactly how much you want. You also dont have any law enforcement issues to worry about

Desperate? For a lot of people this is probably more accurate. I dont use dxm often if I have other drugs on me.

Nitrous is great combined with other drugs but on its own isnt that great. They are technically both dissociatives but the experience of doing them is absolutely nothing alike so a bit of a silly suggested alternative to dxm in my opinion.

Its always funny to me how some people love to bag dxm. If they took a drug normally and didnt like it/ couldnt handle it they would just move on with their lives. But because dxm is legal and in cough syrup they feel the need to mock the drug and anyone who uses it. If dxm was just another illegal powder that people bought from dealers then it would have a totally different reputation.

 

[Dimitri K.]

Stupid is a big call. From my understanding sensible use of dxm is not bad for your brain, less so than mdma for example and no one would say people that use that are stupid. Also DXM is safer than most drugs as it is legal. This means you know exactly what you're getting and can dose exactly how much you want. You also dont have any law enforcement issues to worry about

Desperate? For a lot of people this is probably more accurate. I dont use dxm often if I have other drugs on me.

Nitrous is great combined with other drugs but on its own isnt that great. They are technically both dissociatives but the experience of doing them is absolutely nothing alike so a bit of a silly suggested alternative to dxm in my opinion.

Its always funny to me how some people love to bag dxm. If they took a drug normally and didnt like it/ couldnt handle it they would just move on with their lives. But because dxm is legal and in cough syrup they feel the need to mock the drug and anyone who uses it. If dxm was just another illegal powder that people bought from dealers then it would have a totally different reputation.

Maybe I was a little harsh saying stupid but as drugs to abuse go, DXM isn't one of the nicer ones to your brain. You are probably right about if it is used sensibly it will be fine. I have been tempted to try it several times but have been advised against it. One of my friends has used quite a bit but he's one those "gotta have altered conscious all the time desperate" types. I just don't see the point. Nitrous by itself isn't going to blast you away but I love the shit out of it anyways . When it comes to DXM, I believe that people should be able to use any substance that they want as long as it only effects them. I have no problem with DXM and am glad that you guys have enjoyed it.