Can i please stop my Gurn? ive searched but people are saying magnesium dont work

[Darksidesam]

I cant seem to find it but i want my mouth to maybe stay shut,
i really want to do a 150mg and be drowning in euphoria
i kinda dont want my mouth to be stuck open, hah!

 

[Newbierock]

Magnesium does work, my entire circle of rolling friends pre loads on magnesium and it helps everyone a lot.

& gurning keeps your mouth closed..not open..

 

[MollyBomb]

I don't know if you've tried this, but gum or some kind of candy works best for me. And this is just personal opinion but for me, gum/candy completely distracts me from the urge to gurn and keeps my mouth busy.

When I'm rolling hard and lose my gum I move my lower jaw side to side and grind my teeth. I don't realize I'm even doing it so having gum or a cough drop or something definitely keeps you busy as far as gurning goes. That's just what works for me though! Can't guarantee it will work for everyone.

 

[Darksidesam]

lol its since i did my ediet,
The feeling is amazing but my mouth literally locks wide open, all the way.

Ill definately try magnesium this month,
what type of magnesium do i buy?
How many days before do i start taking it?

 

[Keaton]

You need to make sure you get the right kind of Magnesium. Most stores sell Magnesium Oxide which has a Bioavalability of ~4%, so it does next to nothing. At the very least you want Magnesium Citrate which has a BA of ~60%, but ideally you want to get Magnesium Lactate, whose BA is ~99%.


Source: http://www.longecity.org/forum/topi...gnesium-types/page__view__findpost__p__185471

 

[cryptix420]

Avoid magnesium oxide like the plague, it's cheap with ultra low bioavailability.

I take this one daily..


i think you wanna look for chelated versions or magnesium citrate...i could be wrong though

 

[First Bad Comedown]

I never got to try Magnesium, but these guys are right about bio-availability.
It is a great supplement - it is involved in hundreds of biological processes, including neurotransmitter formation.
It is also neuro-protectant, including lowering the risk of stroke via strengthening capillaries.
I have heard from many sources that it helps prevent clenching/bruxism while rolling.

However, I feel the need to point out that the cause of this reaction from MDMA isn't well understood.
Serotonin controls the smooth muscles of the body, most notably the intestines.
But the masseters are not smooth muscles - they are in fact the strongest voluntary muscles in the whole body!

So what makes them react so strongly?

Serotonin inhibits the action of dopamine.
One of the major dopamine pathways in the brain is the nigrostriatal pathway, which is involved in movement.
It is here that METH is known to cause permanent damage to dopamine neurons.
When damage to the DAT in the striatum reaches high levels, movement disorders like Parkinson's or akathisia can occur.

MDMA is seen to do it in animal models, but it is still unconfirmed in humans.
However, some studies strongly suggest this based on former users that experience a heightened sensitivity to the 'motor' effects and less 'euphoria'. This can be correlated to anecdotes on BL in which people complain about 'loss of magic' and feeling 'wired' even after YEARS of abstinence.

I can say with certainty that I suffered from intense akathisia during the first several weeks of my recovery.
The first two nights my legs wouldn't sit still!
I had no choice but to pace around like a madman...

It is very strange to hear that your jaw is working in the opposite direction of most, but I suppose it is possible.
Jaw clenching or forced opening....along with ANY other repetitive muscle movements while rolling should be viewed as a sign of the toxic effects of the drug.

Think of it as a bodily defense against dopamine neuron death.
After all, with acute AND deadly reactions to MDMA - tremors are a COMMON symptom.
Most people presenting to the ER are seen to be quite irritable and unable to sit still.
They may experience intense intestinal cramping along with body spasms...esp. in the legs.

While clenching is NORMAL for most users....I found that it went away after my first few doses.
Strange - I thought it was due to getting cleaner pills.

But most will back me up on this - no matter how pure your MDMA is, subsequent doses will always increase clenching.
The few times I took more than 2 tabs - I can't believe how clenchy and DIRTY it felt!

Your jaw and your body are telling you something.
Are you listening?

 

[Darksidesam]

Your jaw and your body are telling you something.
Are you listening?

Is it possible that im raising my dopamine levels too high because of all the dark chocolate im eating before a roll?
(1kg of 60% cocoa on average that week)

Dont get me wrong,

It's the most amazing feeling ever, i absolutely love it, since ive used my diet, MDMA is on a different level,
Its less of a chemical reaction feel and all i feel is the loved up vibed and its much more of a Psychoactive stimulant effect on me now,
But its just a little embarrassing my mouth opening wide open like that,
about an hour up to and hour and a half later i feel that jaw crunch and it goes down then,
Then i start to gurn,

This is with a 150mg of Est 85% pure mdma crystals, in a capsule.

 

[Jonnybean]

Is it possible that im raising my dopamine levels too high because of all the dark chocolate im eating before a roll?
(1kg of 60% cocoa on average that week)

Dont get me wrong,

It's the most amazing feeling ever, i absolutely love it, since ive used my diet, MDMA is on a different level,
Its less of a chemical reaction feel and all i feel is the loved up vibed and its much more of a Psychoactive stimulant effect on me now,
But its just a little embarrassing my mouth opening wide open like that,
about an hour up to and hour and a half later i feel that jaw crunch and it goes down then,
Then i start to gurn,

This is with a 150mg of Est 85% pure mdma crystals, in a capsule.

mate i think you just get good mdma....

i try really good holland MDMA, best thing ever...i try beans round here that have very good reveiws....POOP.

what you explain is "real E". if you havnt felt how you feel then you have never tried real ecstasy imo.

eye wiggles and stuff dont mean shit, all about the brain activity.


have you tried chewing gum?



but i know what you mean about the mouth

always stuck in a "WOW" position lol.

i did half gram of 80% pure MDMA and i have to say, it was good, lots and lots of eye wiggles....but no magic as you explain.

it is all on the mind frame, the mdma night i wasnt all up for it, and it was quite boring to begin with.

if your whole body isnt tingling, you dont have good ecstasy.



you remember that XTC documentry i linked you? how drugs work?

just look at them....take bombs and feel fucked, but look nothing like what you or me would like like if we took our stuff...

 

[jamaica0535]

Is it possible that im raising my dopamine levels too high because of all the dark chocolate im eating before a roll?
(1kg of 60% cocoa on average that week)

Dont get me wrong,

It's the most amazing feeling ever, i absolutely love it, since ive used my diet, MDMA is on a different level,
Its less of a chemical reaction feel and all i feel is the loved up vibed and its much more of a Psychoactive stimulant effect on me now,
But its just a little embarrassing my mouth opening wide open like that,
about an hour up to and hour and a half later i feel that jaw crunch and it goes down then,
Then i start to gurn,

This is with a 150mg of Est 85% pure mdma crystals, in a capsule.

Also, the gurning has very little to do with your levels of dopamine. its more just how your body reacts when your brain basically gets instructions to open the flood gates on your serotonin. It is an excitory neurotransmitter, and while it tends to make you happy, your trigeminal nerve gets excited and it results in a clenched jaw. Get some good magnesium, and most would benefit from a decent multivitamin....

 

[Darksidesam]

Yeah Jonnybean,

The stuff i get really is the dogs bollocks,
costs quite a bit though but its soo strong,

Ill have to preload with the magnesium then,

Thats it though you hit the nail on the head with the "Wow" face.
Its not a gurn its literally as far as my mouth will open,
for a good hour - up to an hour and a half,

Lol i get "oh right so your not mdma tonight, if not your mouth would be wide open"
Piss taken etc haha.

I might upload a pic of me on mdma to show yous what really happens when i take that 150mg capsule Lol.

 

[Jonnybean]

Yeah Jonnybean,

The stuff i get really is the dogs bollocks,
costs quite a bit though but its soo strong,

Ill have to preload with the magnesium then,

Thats it though you hit the nail on the head with the "Wow" face.
Its not a gurn its literally as far as my mouth will open,
for a good hour - up to an hour and a half,

Lol i get "oh right so your not mdma tonight, if not your mouth would be wide open"
Piss taken etc haha.

I might upload a pic of me on mdma to show yous what really happens when i take that 150mg capsule Lol.

it really is all about quality, you can tell when its been made by a genuine criminal rather than some1 who knows their shit lol.


which is kinda bad too, because i chased that strong high with other high dose mdma pills, took 6 in the space of a few hours and my body was shaking and twitching, next day i felt like i had parkinsons disease...


when i got pictures taken on the strong MDMA both eyes were looking outwards LOL. with an awe facial expression.


but anyway, only advise i can give you is what everyone else said, magnesium deffo works .

i need to get some... 2 top tooth loss causes is stimulant drugs and fizzy drinks, i see veteran wizz heads around here with black teeth and shit, fuck that im gonna get some magnesium lol.

 

[cryptix420]

^ you could also try flossing

 

[Darksidesam]

welll i only dose once anyway,
Lol i know outright im flooding myself in euphoria from all the serotonin,

But ive never actually tried the magnesium road so ill give it a try and let you know,
see im rolling with some girl i like this month and we both want to do a lot together and obv i dont want to embarrass myself too much lol

 

[Jonnybean]

^ you could also try flossing

you clearly havnt seen the vet's then lol.

im talking, dirty stubble beard, the dirtiest gurn, and fook all gnashers.

from life long bruxism...

from all my mephedrone use, some teeth at the back are out of line, were i have been smashing them together or grinding them, bruxism does suck.


my teeth take a massive pounding on good MDMA, like when you grind your teeth and they make that friction noise, that shit non stop lol.

 

[jamaica0535]

welll i only dose once anyway,
Lol i know outright im flooding myself in euphoria from all the serotonin,

But ive never actually tried the magnesium road so ill give it a try and let you know,
see im rolling with some girl i like this month and we both want to do a lot together and obv i dont want to embarrass myself too much lol

Also a calcium supplement is supposed to help keep it from happening.

Dont worry. the awesome thing about MDMA is that nothing is really very embarrassing. she will probably be right there with you...

Chewing gum, some ravers use pacifiers, cornerstore pharmacies usually carry mouth guards for people that gring their teeth while sleeping.

 

[First Bad Comedown]

darksidesam -

1kg of dark chocolate for that week?
Does that mean per day?

The only reason I bring this up is because 'chocolate' normally has an obscene amount of fat and sugar in it.
And MDMA causes drastic changes in the metabolism of sugar in the brain - an organ that selfishly uses 20% of the whole body's supply!

But you should be able to metabolize a lot of sugar fairly quickly.
Are you eating it the day of rolling?
If not, and you aren't eating it in huge quantities the night before, then it shouldn't have a big impact upon the experience.
But anyone loading on carbs prior to a roll, be warned - carbs increase serotonin activity in the brain.
This is not a good thing...you want a nice clean transition.
High intake of carbs is associated with an inflammatory process in the intestines, as well as many different age-related illnesses.

Mouth wide open is unusual.
Evaluate the intake of carbs for 24 hours prior.
Then let us know if it still happens.

Serotonin inhibits dopamine in all the major dopamine pathways, except for the meso-limbic.
That means that taking MDMA actually prevents dopamine transmission in the striatum.
At the same time, MDMA is increasing dopamine release - although not as dramatically as METH.

Remember - MDMA is still an amphetamine.
It not only increases dopamine, but it inhibits its activity through a larger serotonin release in the STRIATUM.

When you are experiencing the 'gurn', whether open or closed....
It should be viewed as a sign of a contradictory process in the basal ganglia.
Maybe even a 'degenerative' process.

Serotonin is not 'excitatory', it is 'inhibitive'.
It prevents the normal cellular activity in nearby neurons, esp. the transmission of dopamine.

This is why the GREATEST magic of rolling occurs only AFTER serotonin begins to fall - after the peak.
This is when cortisol finally begins to taper and prolactin/oxytocin are released.
Cortisol is a defense mechanism utilized by the hypothalamus to lower toxic levels of serotonin.

In my humble opinion...

And I hope that you are spacing these rolls adequately darkside.
Girl or not, you should be waiting 90 days in between rolls.
Are you?

 

[snookie]

What about Magnesium ASPARATE? Does it work well?

Like ZMA?

 

[Darksidesam]

Are you eating it the day of rolling?

I purposefully eat 85% cocoa that morning , (Say im rolling that night)

actually i dont wait that long,

I tend to wait 30 - 40 days,
However i do not redose,

I personally think ill be fine tbh,
I only dose once and i think the extreme reaction to mdma , (150mg) shows that my diet really does stock my serotonin up to a high level.

Maybe it can be a little dangerous though, the level i take it too,

I do honestly eat 1kg of dark chocolate 60% mostly, 7 days up to the roll,

say 1 and a half bars a day.

 

[cryptix420]

you're gonna turn into a cocoa bean mate