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I vote for do both.

Does the way a lot of people use methoxetamine disturb you guys? And I've felt this way since it first premiered, but whenever I look in the MXE thread, people's usage habits and comments worry me greatly. A widely enjoyable dissociative just strikes me as dangerous in general (K gets this as well), I don't think a lot of people realize their opiate-like psychological addiction potential and go in thinking it's like a psych...then, oh hey this is awesome and friendly 100% of the time, let's do it again and again. Plus I think the negative impact they have on one's psychological health can go largely unnoticed while you're in a heavy use phase, such is the obsession with the experience they inspire.
 
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YES. I have been religiously praising that album over in EMD for awhile now. It's really too bad that an album of such high quality only comes around once in a blue moon.
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I only realised it existed a few weeks ago when my brother burnt me a copy. Its almost perfect music; gentle melodies which can happily play in the background and complex beats that can really grab your mind when you focus on it :). Ott is a great artist in general. I remember reading that he mixed his first album (cannt remember the title) using the speakers of a cheap casette player.

Any other good downtempo/chill stuff TAC? Been in a mood for this stuff lately. Also, have you seen anything about Reason 6? It looks good, some kind of guitar amp simulator, proper time stretching device, some other stuff. Looking forward to fiddling with it...

I'm also sad to say that I am pretty much over psytrance nowadays. Still a bit of darkpsy being played, but it all seems so predictable and formulaiac (sp??).

I don't think a lot of people realize their opiate-like psychological addiction potential and go in thinking it's like a psych
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Agreed. I think some people are approaching it like its a psychedelic and using it like its an opiate. And possibly justifying their excessive use because it is a psychedelic and not an opiate in any real sense.

I've used it a few times now and while I like it, I can't really imagine doing it everyday (not ketamine either). In my times of severe opiate addiction, even though I was getting really fucking high several times a day, I could still 'function' in a way; very limited way because it all came back to dope, but I could do things, work, see family, friends etc. I simply cannot imagine using a strong dissociative in the same way that I used heroin and morphine; I can't do anything except lie down or sit and watch a movie (at best) when on ketamine and MXE. Then again, the crippling effects of opiate withdrawal aren't present with ketamine (and MXE) so you can survive going without it for a relatively long time as opposed to opiate habits. People can seem to treat other recreational drugs as "soft" drugs just because they don't have the unbearable withdrawal symptoms that opiates do, heedless of the fact that that in itself is meaningless.

I don't wanna sound patronising but NKB, I'm getting really positive feelings from you lately. You seem well content and relaxed to an extent. Its good :) <3
 
I guess I technically did do both? I started watching and passed out after about 10 minutes.

Oh how I love being hangover immune :D

...Though, my face is all red, puffy and swollen - the hell? I'm wondering if it's from the weird home-made cherry alcohol that I drank hah.

I very much agree on what you said about dissociatives. I myself nearly fell victim to it when I was using Ketamine quite often. They're a perfect drug for escapism and that makes it so easy to abuse them. There was a point for a couple of weeks where I spent more time in the K hole than in the real world, and it would have been so easy for me to continue that indefinitely if I had the funds. Thankfully I didn't and I cut down.
 
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I simply cannot imagine using a strong dissociative in the same way that I used heroin and morphine; I can't do anything except lie down or sit and watch a movie (at best) when on ketamine and MXE.

I don't wanna sound patronising but NKB, I'm getting really positive feelings from you lately. You seem well content and relaxed to an extent. Its good :) <3
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Ah, but I've read a lot of people are sticking to the lower end of the spectrum, some lauding MXE as a pro-social drug at that level, and that they'll go out and about on it. So everyday use for extended periods is quite possible . Actually still a good parallel of opiate use considering people use them for the principal goal of euthymia vs nod-loving folk. It is good that these things don't have the w/d symptoms that pull you towards 24/7 use at least. I'd still like to try this one myself at some point, in spite of the high likelihood that I'll end up abusing it (certainly not every day, but high dose dissociative use once every week or two is plenty to cause a deterioration in my psychological state, as y'all have probably noticed).

And yeah, I seem to be doing pretty well lately, I guess actually putting out apps (a lot more of them than is usual in my up periods) and being slightly productive helps a lot :). But I do recall in January, a drug vacation month, I was feelin' pretty good and positive as well, but as my efforts at self-improvement were unsuccessful I slipped back into unhealthy use patterns and melancholy. We'll see how things work out this time, I think my drive to do well is stronger now than then.

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I guess I technically did do both? I started watching and passed out after about 10 minutes.

Oh how I love being hangover immune
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That's the spirit! And by hangover immune..qualify that with quantity. Like can you go through a fifth and wake up a-okay? If so, that sounds like both a blessing and a curse.
 
A friend who I haven't seen in a long while visited me yesterday because he was in town. He told me he had a surprise when I had talked to him earlier in the week. When he came over, he had me smell a beautiful bag of DMT. I was nervous and reluctant to smoke some. I have been feeling detached from happiness, and have been very confused as of lately. I had binged a couple years ago and it had been more than a year since my last experience with the wonderful material. After seeing my roommate and 2 friends smoke some, and watching the silly grins pop onto their faces as the visuals washed over them the excitement stirred inside me.

My friend laid a bit of dmt onto the pipe. I melted it down, and took 2 hits... I should have taken the 3rd one, but the trip was well on the way. Regardless, it was enjoyable. The visuals were magnificent, and the part that always intrigued me the most was the euphoria that follows the visual display. It is absolutely incredible. I seem to increasingly become happier and happier. My energy emanates, my love for all things grows and grows, and everything seems damn alright.

It makes me want to binge all over again.

Love DMT.
 
Well last night I went through 50cl of rum, a few shots of Jager, and 35cl of whatever the hell that weird cherry stuff was (some liqueur but it was like nothing I've ever tasted, strange.) all in a few hours. I wouldn't say that's a huge amount but coming from someone who is fairly drunk after a beer or two, quantity doesn't seem to factor in.

Do bear in mind though that I never drink alcohol alone, I always accompany it with a little water to stay hydrated. I think it's just as important to do that with alcohol as it is with MDMA, and a lot of people forget that. If you don't drink anything but alcohol for several hours then of course you'll be hungover.
 
Well I'm off the oxy and pooping properly again. :)

I took 15mg of AMT and I'm about 1.5 hours in, going to get some supper though. Starving yourself to reduce come-up nausea has the side-effect of being hungry.

Later on tonight I'm going to try high (for me) doses of kratom to see if I can hit a nod from it. I like kratom, have lots of it, but never nodded with it.
 
^For the nod, I recommend adding a bit of extract to a plain leaf dose. Are you familiar with extracts?
 
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^For the nod, I recommend adding a bit of extract to a plain leaf dose. Are you familiar with extracts?
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Naw, never bothered with them, I found 1.5g gave me a good buzz so I didn't see the need for extracts.

I'm in bad physical shape fellas. I forgot how hard AMT is on the body. I'm also wondering how wise it was to dose a serotonin releaser after taking tramadol the night before.

So far I've taken 4mg diazepam to lower nausea and buzzy head type feelings. And noting how much this feels like acute w/d I took a small kratom dose.

Hopefully this passes without me having to bosh benzos. I wasn't planning on using nod inducers until much later on. :P
 
Yeah I think the water etc has a lot to do with it Never. Nights where I save drinking water/juice/whatever until after I've finished my alcohol I usually don't go through a whole lot, like, 15-20cl of 35%+ and I'm good for a good few hours, but when I drink the water with it I can drink a lot more, a lot quicker, and feel less of the ill effects that can cause.

Hows the AMT treating you? It's one of the chemicals I'm looking at potentially ordering. I'm leaning towards getting Methoxetamine and α-PPP though since I already have a lot of 2C-E and 4-AcO-DMT left so maybe I don't need more new psychedelics just yet.
 
Ella Fitzgerald lol Listening to it now :D

Jesusgreen said:
Hows the AMT treating you? It's one of the chemicals I'm looking at potentially ordering. I'm leaning towards getting Methoxetamine and α-PPP though since I already have a lot of 2C-E and 4-AcO-DMT left so maybe I don't need more new psychedelics just yet.
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I highly recommend it, get a stash before it becomes illegal. It's great in low doses as a day enhancer. Wicked aphrodisicac too.

Makes you smile til your face hurts.. which is happening to me now :)
 
Just wanted to pop in and say that the beach boys smile sessions leaked late yesterday, and is released officially in a couple of days. Take LSD and listen to it if you haven't already, you'll thank me later.
 
This is sublime. This is what's so great about AMT. :)

After a few bits of hysterical laughter, Body completely relaxed, baking heat from nearby woodstove, complete silence.

I'll just stay like this for a while :) <3

Jesus, secure an AMT stash before spending money on other stuff ;)
 
Ah, Psox, sounds good. Nothing like face splitting smiley-laughs :) I've taken a bit of k and walking around the city...is nice. Might smoke spliff...
 
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