Opioids started subutex yesterday any advise on quick detox

[telemag1]

Firstly sorry if is threads in the wrong place but i started on subutex yesterday after abusing oxynorm for a while and was just getting sick of the increasing amounts i was using to get any sort of hit. I waited a full 24 hours before taking the subs i was not in major W/D just the usual yawning watery eyes and leg pains. I started off taking 2mg which just made me feel weird which i thought was the bupe just kicking off any last rems of the oxy off my receptors i ended up taking another 4mg which sort of leveled me out but did not take the full shitty feeling away but i just kept it at that.when i went to bed i took 2mg of diazapam and had a reasonable sleep full of weird dreams and the usual tossing and turning. when i woke up this morning i felt really shitty down and depressed and thinking the usual thoughts.( I still had a couple of 100mg of oxynorm left but never finished them off before i started to detox thats how fed up i was with snorting oxy.
Anyway i had 0.25mg of xanax and that made me feel a whole lot better but funnily enough i had the trots this morning which i thought i would of got after about 12 hours abstaining yesterday. As i am writing this i have just had another 2mg of sub and i am waiting to see if that will do anything but i dont feel really that bad. i must admit i was crapping myself yesterday after reading some of the stories about the subs making your withdrawal worse and it took some will power not to rail the remaining oxy which i had stashed lol
sorry for ranting but the advise i am after which i can not seem to find is what sort of W/D will i get if i just stay on the subs for 4 or 5 days tapering down from the 2mg i have had today? I have a few 200mcg tems which i was going to take on day 4 or 5 as i dont want to replace one drug with another i just want to jump off as fast as possible and as painless as possible. Has anybody done a short sub detox like this if so i would appreciate any advise because the long half life of the bupe
thanks for your advice
T

 

[suessmayr]

Well you didn't say how much oxycodone you were using. But either way, using buprenorphine for a short taper will almost certainly make things easier on the whole. Some people would say that it could prolong the WD's, but even then you would be talking about 4 or 5 days and it would be a whole lot smoother. In my opinion, though, it's not even a sure thing that the bupe would prolong your WD's. Sometimes with these things if you let them hit hard they stay around for longer than they do if you ease into them.

If you were indeed dependent on the oxy there is nothing you can do to simply avoid the pain and discomfort of WD's. But you have benzos and bupe and seemingly the will and those are probably the 3 best things for someone in your situation. Also, you're not on big doses of the valium (2mg is very low) or bupe (2mg is relatively low even though bupe is potent) which will work to your advantage. Use as little medication as you can bear to and use it as infrequently as you can bear to.

 

[telemag1]

i was using between 200-300mg a day for about 3 months but taking other opiates on a smaller scale but i had a massive H habit in the late 80s for about 5 years and stopped using and i got injured about 2 years ago and got put on pain medication and got the taste again and i have a stressful job and it just made things easier in work as well
thanks for your kind words i actually feel ok today which is surprising and i feel as if i could all day just on the 2mgs and hopefully the same tomorrow the thing that is worrying me is the horror stories over the bupe w/d and can not take time off work and plus my wife does not know either and i dont want her and my kids to see me go into full blown W/D
i am hoping by next week and kind stop the bupe and just have slight W/Ds and i can put that down to a flu
do you think i will get the full wrath of oxy when i stop the bupe? in the old days i got methadone amps and it was hell coming off them. i just wanted to know if a short spell on the bupe will be as bad as i have no experience with it and you hear conflicting stories

 

[donkeyPUNCH]

I would stick with the bupe for as long as you're comfortable with it. 4-8mgs a day should be plenty IME, either all at once or broken up into two doses if you feel better doing it that way.

if you wanna do a short taper I would try for at least a week, dropping .5 to 1mg a day. I wouldn't recommend jumping off completely until you're down to .5mg a day and then your W/D's will be a cakewalk compared to coming off Methadone.

 

[Fire&Water]

Firstly sorry if is threads in the wrong place but i started on subutex yesterday after abusing oxynorm for a while and was just getting sick of the increasing amounts i was using to get any sort of hit. I waited a full 24 hours before taking the subs i was not in major W/D just the usual yawning watery eyes and leg pains. I started off taking 2mg which just made me feel weird which i thought was the bupe just kicking off any last rems of the oxy off my receptors i ended up taking another 4mg which sort of leveled me out but did not take the full shitty feeling away but i just kept it at that.when i went to bed i took 2mg of diazapam and had a reasonable sleep full of weird dreams and the usual tossing and turning. when i woke up this morning i felt really shitty down and depressed and thinking the usual thoughts.( I still had a couple of 100mg of oxynorm left but never finished them off before i started to detox thats how fed up i was with snorting oxy.
Anyway i had 0.25mg of xanax and that made me feel a whole lot better but funnily enough i had the trots this morning which i thought i would of got after about 12 hours abstaining yesterday. As i am writing this i have just had another 2mg of sub and i am waiting to see if that will do anything but i dont feel really that bad. i must admit i was crapping myself yesterday after reading some of the stories about the subs making your withdrawal worse and it took some will power not to rail the remaining oxy which i had stashed lol
sorry for ranting but the advise i am after which i can not seem to find is what sort of W/D will i get if i just stay on the subs for 4 or 5 days tapering down from the 2mg i have had today? I have a few 200mcg tems which i was going to take on day 4 or 5 as i dont want to replace one drug with another i just want to jump off as fast as possible and as painless as possible. Has anybody done a short sub detox like this if so i would appreciate any advise because the long half life of the bupe
thanks for your advice
T

I found 12-16 mg's of Bupe' worked alot better the first couple days...

 

[RunRunRun]

Listen to Donkey Punch.

And it doesn't make your withdrawal worse. Long term bupe use or treatment will be a bit of a longer detox and withdrawal but not worse. If you do this detox/taper correctly it will be a lot better than just coming off of straight oxycodone.

I bet a lot of the stories you were reading were about precipitated withdrawal. And that is just when you don't wait long enough after taking an opiate before you dose your sub and you get really sick anywhere from a few minutes to even a few hours. But it sounded like you waited long enough.

And if you decided to do any of the remaining oxys you have left while you are on sub you won't feel a damn thing. It will just be a waste. So don't cave in and think you can take some a few hours after taking your sub. You would need to wait at least 24 hours or more before you would get any effect.

 

[telemag1]

thanks a lot everyone i appreciate your words i have stuck to 2mg at 9am and 2mg at 4pm and i feel ok i have also had 0.25mg of xanax at the same time as the bupe and i feel good its a bit creepy actually i am waiting for something bad to happen
and yes runrun i was expecting to into full blown W/D after i had that first bupe !! i feel a lot better today than i did yesterday and i think i will go with Donkey Punches 7 day detox and try and drop it another 1 tomorrow thanks for your advice donkey Punch and all that have replied i appreciate your advice.
what sought of W/D should expect if jump off at say 0.5mg? i know we are all different but i am trying to hide this from my wife and kids who would be really scared if i had a W/D like i used to remember from the bad old days
thanks again everyone your support is great

T

 

[sekio]

Closing this self-serving thread, I suggest you read the bupe mega thread.

Withdrawals from 500mcg of buprenorphine is a cake walk compared to any amount of oxycodone. You could play it off as a mild cold.

Best of luck on yor detox though It sounds like you have everything under control.