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Hahaha. I feel like I just took a bottled pep talk

Gotta love 2C-E. =D



Something that a BLer once wrote, which was running through my head:

To get what you want, all you have to do is want what you get.

It's really true though. If you can just begin to accept whatever floats your way, it's a lot easier than going to all the trouble to find the things that you want and don't have. Which is what opiates do I suppose.

They're both equally effective paths to happiness. If you found you only had a day left to live, would you want to spend it nodding on opiates, in a pure unadulterated inward bliss? If the answer is no, why not?
 
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They're both equally effective paths to happiness.

I might be missing something here, but theres no way that opiates are an 'effective' path to happiness. I see opiates more as a path away from unhappiness, which is a totally different thing. Its hard to be truly happy if that feeling is merely a side effect of a drug. Drugs always wear off. True happiness (a dualistic state I don't believe in entirely) only seems real when the happiness is born from inner states. Using capricious external agents makes happiness too distant.

If I had a day to live- I find these propositions to be slightly ridiculous, and find it difficult to answer truthfully (in truth, I don't think that sort of situation is realistic at all, and makes a realistic idea null and void), but if I had a day to live and had too choices that I HAD to make, exist and then die, or take opiates and die, I would take opiates, exist and then die.
 
Sup PD? As usual, I am working myself too hard and beating myself up about not getting enough done. Seems like nothing is easy and it won't get any easier. I looked at public records of salaries at state schools and it was depressing. I realized that if I eventually become a professor somewhere I will have to work more and still get paid jack squat (starting prof salary is like 45-55 or so, and you have to work your ass off all day and night and pray you get tenure after 5 years or you get kicked out and gotta move). You have to get up to the level of the old whitebeards at a big school (like MIT for example) to get more than 200,000, and even then, the shittiest doctor in the hospital is earning more than you, as are all the coaches of the big sports teams (a coach at a big school can get well over a million a year). Makes me thing more and more about going into industry. Problem is, I like teaching, and I like researching what is interesting, not what is good for the company.

The lesson kids, is go into pro sports when you are young (look at how much your average football player or basketball player is making). or become a medical doctor.

The path of an academic is a brutal one. The amount of work is nothing short of obscene, I don't there is any other profession that is more consistently demanding. Being a medical doctor isn't all peaches either though, assuming you're one of the 5% of the applicants who get in in the first place. For those of us who simply cannot live in the world of being directly under a boss's thumb and feel a drive to plow through academia and because there simply isn't any other live-able option, it's a bitch.

It's really true though. If you can just begin to accept whatever floats your way, it's a lot easier than going to all the trouble to find the things that you want and don't have. Which is what opiates do I suppose.

They're both equally effective paths to happiness. If you found you only had a day left to live, would you want to spend it nodding on opiates, in a pure unadulterated inward bliss? If the answer is no, why not?

Interesting subject matter for tonight of all nights, the pressure is off for me tonight and I've dipped into some oxy/diazepam.

Day left to live? Make amends to certain people I have history with. If it also involved drugs it would be MDMA.

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I might be missing something here, but theres no way that opiates are an 'effective' path to happiness. I see opiates more as a path away from unhappiness, which is a totally different thing. Its hard to be truly happy if that feeling is merely a side effect of a drug. Drugs always wear off. True happiness (a dualistic state I don't believe in entirely) only seems real when the happiness is born from inner states. Using capricious external agents makes happiness too distant.

I find all happiness to be fleeting. Some phases last longer than others but it always comes to an end, bringing the start of a depressive phase, which also sometimes last longer than others.

Been hearing a song on the radio that's dug into me, Whirring by The Joy Formidable.

I might take some LSD in the next couple days.
 
I might be missing something here, but theres no way that opiates are an 'effective' path to happiness.

Happiness, in the simple sense of being in a state of non-desire, was the concept that I was referring to. But yes, you might interpret that word in one of many ways.

What interests me is the idea that you can achieve this state by simply changing what you want to reflect what you already have, rather than changing what you have to reflect what you want. Would you consider this cheating?
 
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Drugs always wear off. True happiness (a dualistic state I don't believe in entirely) only seems real when the happiness is born from inner states. Using capricious external agents makes happiness too distant.
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I do not agree entirely, which is to say I do not exactly disagree.

I'm thinking about this statement of yours and, my initial thought of disagreement gave way to agreement, but since that has given way. I don't entirely believe in 'true happiness' either, and that muddles things. May the distinction you and I feel between our chemical rev-elry/erie and genuine hapiness be an illusion created solely by our frame of reference? Might the difference disappear were we to stop implicitly assuming the existence of the 'true happiness' that I'm not sure I believe in to begin with?

And I have no answers to those question marks since I'm physically and psychicically tired, and rather wishing I had some booze to take this post-trip stimulation away and ease me into relaxation and sleep. But if wishes were fishes we'd all cast nets. It's something to think about though.
 
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(Back to drug classification for a moment) Oh I agree, it is a messy affair. I came up with my own little table of drug classes that I was going to share here, but I keep reading through it and every time I spot more and more flaws and holes in it. It's not as easy as I might have thought haha.

Sounds like you enjoyed the 2C-E Never. It can be really magical, and I do find it interesting how whenever I read what someone posted on it, I always quickly pick up on the similar trains of thought to those I experience on it. There's something rather unique about how it affects thoughts.. Like poetry, but not quite.

I feel a 2C-E trip of my own is in order, but I can never find the right time for it. I keep thinking this time should be out in nature, but it gets dark so early here now, and I tend to wake up fairly late.
 
Going out tonight on MDMA and 4-FA, considering chucking a bit of 2C-E in the mix. Has anyone here tried this combo?
 
Does anyone have any recommendations for severe anxiety? (I've read up on beta blockers and they seem potentially useful?) Basically, this past year since finishing school and not being able to find work, I seem to have stumbled down into a pretty dark self loathing place mentally and it seems to be getting in the way for things that were previously "normal" activities in life.

My biggest issue is the attacks of 'Fight or Flight Syndrome', since my self confidence and acceptance has been completely tarnished I seem to get this whenever talking to girls, the leg shaking breaks out etc. and it's quite possibly the most self-depreciating thing I've ever felt. i wouldn't mind if it was a one off but it seems to have happened a few times now and I just don't know how to deal with it. I also had this happen when being searched by police when very high, I guess that is an anxious moment but the two friends that were with me at the time that were also searched didn't experience this affect, and again it just made me feel like shit afterwards. And again I've had this at job interviews, when i never used to.

I also seem to be struggling with the entire concept of actually getting work, progressing etc. I don't know why but because it's been so long since I've had a routine, and actually been socialising regularly with a non-select group of friends, the whole idea of working in an environment that I'd have to talk to people in is extremely stressful to me, and my mind just tells me I wouldn't be able to do it. I honestly cannot fathom why this is, as at school I was always completely fine with talking to anyone, I had a relatively large amount of friends and never worried about anything socially. What also gets me, is that even this year when I have had to talk to strangers, meet new people etc. I've been completely fine, I haven't panicked or found it difficult, I just get on with it and it is easy, and thus this is purely a mental a issue. For some reason my mind just seems to put me down all the time, and make me think I'll have all these difficulties with such simple things and really its torturing me, I hate it and I don't know what I can do to get out of this horribly negative mindset. It is clearly preventing me from finding work, as things that I'd probably really enjoy like bar work, I just can't comprehend myself being able to do it, when in actuality I probably could quite easily.

This isn't fully related, but while I'm on the topic of this anxiety, I might as well mention it... Basically I have also developed a huge anxiety towards taking psychs. I used to trip a decent amount, always feeling fine and in complete control, more so than others, would happily trip alone or be 'the experienced one' for others that were more nervous about tripping. But for some reason I have a horrible apprehension of actually tripping. I think this was due to an experience in which I felt completely overwhelmed and it spiralled down horribly in my mind of how wrong everything is with my life and how such shallow thoughts like lack of confidence have taken over me. But the idea of that potentially taking place again and prevented me from wanting to trip completely, I've taken psychs since and had a fine time, but I'm too 'on the look out' while tripping now to fully lose myself in the moment and gain what I used to from them.


Basically tl;dr i hate what my life has become and I don't know how to deal with it :(
 
Does anyone have any recommendations for severe anxiety? (I've read up on beta blockers and they seem potentially useful?) Basically, this past year since finishing school and not being able to find work, I seem to have stumbled down into a pretty dark self loathing place mentally and it seems to be getting in the way for things that were previously "normal" activities in life.

My biggest issue is the attacks of 'Fight or Flight Syndrome'

I have suffered from this for almost my entire life, my friend. I can definitely attest to the beneficial effect of beta blockers on this issue. For me, taking 10mg of propranolol in the morning can make the difference between a relatively peaceful day, and a day of suffering from severe anxiety, pounding heart, sweaty palms, shaking, the works. Take it from me, and go ask your doc for a script. It's a very safe chemical, you don't have much to lose.

Although beta blockers aren't anxiolytic, they can indirectly ease your anxiety greatly, because often the fact that you're sweaty and shaking and your voice is quivering is a huge source of anxiety ITSELF! So eliminating that issue is really quite calming.

Also, with regard to your fears of being able to deal with work-related situations, and to be able to function and cooperate with other people, etc., I've had this as well. The best thing you can do to gain your confidence back is to actually just buckle down and put yourself out there in those situations -- you will quickly realize that it ain't no big thing. :) Even if you need a little chemical assistance.
 
LOL, that was great. =D When I saw the "Hinterland who's who" intro I was like, WTF, it's an old documentary how is this going to be funny?

I'm loving all these parodies of government videos with the actual government emblems/trademarks, I'm surprised people are allowed to use them like that. I would have thought that would fall under impersonating a government agency or something of that sort.

About beta blockers, I've been considering experimenting with them. Have any of you used beta blockers with psychedelics? I find the worst part of tripping for me is the intense adrenergic tension.

Decided to pass up on the LSD idea, just too intense for me right now and it lasts too long. I want to take something with more of a euphoriant signature and doesn't last as long, I think 2C-T-2 will fit the bill.
 
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Volundr, have you looked into cognitive behavioural therapy? You don't need to see a counselor or psych to do this; the focus is on examining your thoughts and 'correcting' the exagerations, delusions, mis-interpretations that are pretty common. I used to find conversation somewhat difficult, not so much a lack of things to say but a constant second guessing and negative self-judgement and always imagine the person I was talking to were thinking that I'm boring or weird, etc. The truth is, I had no reason to even think this stuff and, even if it was true, why does it even matter? Changing your thoughts is easier then you would think, and its a great skill to learn..

Anyhow, some awesome 1970's psychedelic progressive rock from Night Sun- Come Down. Great voice, BEAUTIFUL guitar tone and generally awesomeness stuff :)
 
Does anyone have any recommendations for severe anxiety?.......

I also seem to be struggling with the entire concept of actually getting work, progressing etc. I don't know why but because it's been so long since I've had a routine, and actually been socialising regularly with a non-select group of friends, the whole idea of working in an environment that I'd have to talk to people in is extremely stressful to me, and my mind just tells me I wouldn't be able to do it....

Just curious, are continuing to smoke marijuana?
 
Volundr, what's up man :) By the looks of it I'm moving back to around the Cambridge area.

I'm suffering from really bad anxiety myself, and I really don't know what to do about it. My own mum has anxiety disorder and she takes SSRIs for it, she claims they help and yet she never leaves the house due to fear of panic attacks, so I'm not going down that road (especially since I really don't trust SSRIs as it is, and vs placebo studies have shown little use).

I've found alcohol helps more than anything so a benzo script would be nice but it's hard to get one for anxiety, as you usually have to go through a ton of SSRIs and other anti-depressants before they even consider benzos, and if you ask for them, chances are they'll write you off as a recreational drug user looking for a fix.
 
dont think i deserve to chat in this thread, Lol

Ive only done dissociatives, nothing trippy,

Ketamine, Methoxetamine and DXM
 
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