Drugs that make you better........

[koneko]

Im a good hedonist kate.

Good? how far does jesus come into hedonistic divisive worship of many kinds of flesh n' soul brethren, many routes into other worlds and belong? Here are people who cross the boundaries every day. What, give hope it's tht simple yellow...

 

[brimz]

I'm just waiting on someone to say amphetamine for work or something silly so I can get on at them :D

The only drugs I can see would make someone better are dissociatives and psychadelics. The likes of MDMA maybe as it opens you up and allows you to connect with friends on a whole new level the first few times, I have some memories from my first few times on Crystal MDMA I will never ever forget, absolutely brilliant!

Anyone saying the likes of benzos sorting their anxiety, it doesn't really, it is a parttime cure. After you stop they will make you worse, as a wise man Dave once said Cognitive Behavior Theerapy cures anxiety, not gubbing loads of blues, which will ultimately make you worse!

RS mate i appreciate that you are feeling great & alot better and glad that you have coped with the awful trauma that you had to endure recently.

BUt Your starting to go a bit ott with all this , maybe chill a bit you still have much to learn .
Not saying i don't as life is a gradual learning curve , but your chucking stuff out their like you've found some sort of wonder cure to all lifes ills, .
BTW their isn't one. Unfortunatley

 

[rockstar 69]

I find ketamine occasionally is like pressing the reset button on your modem.

Ding ding, this man is bang on the money!

Agreed, you could argue that dissociatves fall into the broad psychadelic spectrum, however. Stimulants will you give you an amazing night but certainly do not make someone a better person, regardless of what a meth/meph/coke addict may tell themselves. I used to say Mephedrone changed my life - yeah, now I realise my addiction fucked me up. I use it responsibly now and I don't have that delusion any longer. However, back onto Ketamine and Methoxetamine etc, ALL dissociatives have massive addiction potential so it's wise to be cautious.

Yeah mate well said. Mephedrone changed mine too, turned me into a blubbering idiot with fucked nostrils who looked like shit lol. And yeah I hear ya on the addiction people like I've said I have 2gs of the ket left for sat then after that I'll be off it for a couple weeks, it is the shit though like, all other drugs fail in comparison :D

RS mate i appreciate that you are feeling great & alot better and glad that you have coped with the awful trauma that you had to endure recently.

BUt Your starting to go a bit ott with all this , maybe chill a bit you still have much to learn .
Not saying i don't as life is a gradual learning curve , but your chucking stuff out their like you've found some sort of wonder cure to all lifes ills, .
BTW their isn't one. Unfortunatley

Thanks Brimz mate. And aye I realise I probably sound like a kid on xmas morning. I am a tad hyper and very positive the last few days to say the least. But like I've said above after sat I'll be a couple weeks off the wobble due to finances and hopefully getting my job back. Nostrils need a break anyway

 

[third eye squeegee]

Something I'd recommend to you from the left field as a really good overview of occultism in several forms from the skeptic's point of view is Cosmic Trigger by Robert Anton Wilson. Definitely one to read if you want to avoid some of the pitfalls and not end up half-mad and an embarrassment in polite company like I did.

Added to my basket, along with his Prometheus Rising and about another dozen books from the What are you reading? thread - this place is fucking cool

 

[YellowPolkaDotHalo]

Good? how far does jesus come into hedonistic divisive worship of many kinds of flesh n' soul brethren, many routes into other worlds and belong? Here are people who cross the boundaries every day. What, give hope it's tht simple yellow...

I'm good at being bad Kate.. :D.. Jesus/ the Holy spirit have led me through pharasaical,evangelical goodness that was bad.. Into badness that felt good but was was far from God the Father.. Into freedom in christ

Ive found worship of flesh to be divisive,cold and enslaving.. I only worship God.. but I like flesh a very lots :D

I think crossing boundaries needs an anchor to stablilize you and keep you grounded.

My anchor, and my rock is me Jesus

lol hope that helps.

Happy Shalomy Sabbath.. :D

 

[Allein]

Just need quality hash and a vapourizer and yer good to go

Nah I tried all that it just isn't the same hit, I think people underestimated nicotine and its complex effect on the brain, when you smoke a joint with baccy your taking 2 drugs.

I tried switching to pure weed and all the various ways of smokin hash but after 15 years of a heavy daily habit for joints with baccy and hash the connection was too strong and there is no way I'm going back to smoking baccy ...so no more hash for me...I rekon I smoked enough of it to last me the rest of my life

 

[Darksidesam]

Drugs get used for a wide variety of reasons really, The main reasons being:

For Fun (Of course!)
Escapism
To Medicate - Or self treat
To stay up all night (at a rave or something)
To socialise
For enlightnment/ Different view or persepective on life or things in life

You must admit though,
There is like a certain amount of drugs you use, where drugs no longer become for any of the above purposes and it all becomes nasty, and your stuck in an evil world. Where they really take a hold.

 

[koneko]

I'm good at being bad Kate.. :D.. Jesus/ the Holy spirit have led me through pharasaical,evangelical goodness that was bad.. Into badness that felt good but was was far from God the Father.. Into freedom in christ

Ive found worship of flesh to be divisive,cold and enslaving.. I only worship God.. but I like flesh a very lots :D

I think crossing boundaries needs an anchor to stablilize you and keep you grounded.

My anchor, and my rock is me Jesus

lol hope that helps.

Happy Shalomy Sabbath.. :D

Such religious commitment is to be applauded - if it meets your need that's excellent. Bless you and I for one will bathe in your certainty and be comforted. Comfort can however mean may different things to different folks.

Spirituality and how that path may be is, I so believe, in this Community which is unpredictable, chaotic and of the need of the community wellbeing - to move to understanding that we are all pretty much the same being. If that makes any sense to you?

Possibly time for a cuppa tea for me.

Karma lottery tickets

 

[YellowPolkaDotHalo]

Aye Kate I respect that

Lot of saddhus etc in India used to say to me 'same same but different' all the time.. I think I know why they kept mantra ing it now.

same same but different Kate

 

[koneko]

Aye Kate I respect that

Lot of saddhus etc in India used to say to me 'same same but different' all the time.. I think I know why they kept mantra ing it now.

same same but different Kate

Witch is all much a much a same...and that travels onto you, to be recycled and repeated on way or another on...

The time I spent in India is lodged in my being with trauma, poverty in my face full on, I will be scared from it forever ...

Sometimes, I shift my my head but still cannot understand the cruelty. India fucked me, i believe indeed to return n to make sense of that us and what needs prioritising.

 

[Myshkin]

Another old Indian favourite of mine is "not that, not that". It shows that any attempt to comprehend divinity was bound to be tainted by the ego, therefore unreal. The real divinity (or whatever term you choose) is ineffable and you'll never have a hope of truly understanding. Which is definitely not to say you shouldn't strive; quite the opposite.

Shabbat shalom indeed.

 

[YellowPolkaDotHalo]

Yeah harrowing. I learnt to not see the beggars as humans rather than charity cases.. I met families that lived on a roundabout with just a bunsen burner thing to cook with.. And I mean a roundabout in the road..

But they were the most together family I think Ive ever met.. And a lot happier with life than some I know in uk.

 

[YellowPolkaDotHalo]

Love that one too sam.. Its from the Upanishads I think

'neti neti'

I dont understand God.. I know God though.. and for me 'He'is Love in all its manifestations.

My hero, saviour, Father, teacher, refiner, alchemist, healer, friend, shepherd, Mother , Lover.

Love Him

 

[ColtDan]

Excellent thread my good sir

DMT and MXE

hard to put into words...

ive had issues with minor anxiety ever since ive known, been quite self conscious, always found it hard to open up, but have enjoyed life, had many amazing times, loved life for a long time. always envied people with natural self confidence. guess im naturally quite introverted, get caught up in my thoughts. abused alcohol from a fairly young age to release myself and be a more open person, and it works for awhile. but then you depend on it. an alki in the making... almost. experienced minor W/D before. but thankfully i have the self control to delve off it. dabbled in many drugs through my teen years. always found psychoactive changes intriguing. cannabis made my anxiety worse, socially awquard.

then i fell in love with devil disguised as an angel... the amazing pre-ban mephedrone, not that long ago. i had reached the pinicle of the moment. i was on form, ontop of life. stimulated euphoria that i had never known. combine that with alcohol and i was having the time of my life. it would only be a weekend thing, but i loved it, raves, partys, women, amazing times meeting new people. 2 years of beautiful amazing euphoric jaw mashing times. pushed the limits, like typical. the past 3 years have been the most wild, amazing times of my life. but it took its toll... mephedrone come downs burnt me out. for me they last for many days. put me down into a deluded, self loathing, self destructive mess. got me stuck in a cycle. for a long time now ive been hating myself, anxious, paranoid, and not seeing the potential to my life.. this isnt all just down to mephedrone, but it contributed. depression is nasty... anyone who truely knows what deep dark depression is like, knows its a tunnel vision of destruction and self loathing, unmotivated bullshit. everything seems to pointless. with needing substances to bring you back up and its a nasty cycle. but obviously nothing compared to what some people on here experience, but still,

i was in that nasty cycle for a long time. a lot of people are in a cycle... change was needed. self improvement. gotta keep moving forward, making changes. life is about other people

then i tried DMT... it blew me wide open. changed my perspective on life in a significant way, made me aware, opened me up. unexplainable. absolutely beautiful experiences, true amazing. no words can go near the magic of it

then i dipped into my self destructive cycle again.... during this time i dabbled in MXE but never fully appreciated it. the afterglow i would read about never happened to me....

then it did. and ive never felt this good for years. i was with a very spiritual, intellectual, deep philosophical person who i have known for awhile, and we did quite a lot of MXE. the actual trip was very fucking weird and twisted, but for some reason afterwards ive been more optimistic and generally feeling a lot better about life than i have for the past god knows how many years. very odd indeed. its almost been like enlightenment, or a revelation of some sort. DMT is a damn wild, life changing chemical, but i feel ive benefitted me more from MXE. im just not sure why. there was nothing really special about this time, however, something flipped inside me. a gear changed. weather i will be able to maintain this beautiful, feel good optimistic viewpoint on life is debatable, but i will give it a try. MXE has such potential i cant describe

but the downfall of MXE is that its also taken me on some of my darkest routes in my life, ive had some weird depressive states after using it before, but that was when mixed with other chemicals and things

life... the mystical magical wild adventure

 

[Myshkin]

weather i will be able to maintain this beautiful, feel good optimistic viewpoint on life is debatable, but i will give it a try. MXE has such potential i cant describe

Peaks and troughs still happen when you're seeking any kind of 'enlightenment'. If you're anything like me then they become more pronounced and sometimes more frequent, then you learn gradually to cope with them and to maintain some kind of positivity in situations you would've found it impossible to do so beforehand.

It's really important that any progress you make is not due to the drugs alone, but in your evaluation afterwards (and I mean a week or so afterwards, not during the comedown) and in your everyday life.

Good post though, and thanks for sharing as much as you have.

 

[koneko]

My times in India (and Nepal) scared me for life, I still cannot get my head around what I seen and experienced there. All I feel is I'm due back and can make some tiny bit of difference there - this idea / concept horrifies me, but so may it be. Shit on shoe eh :D

 

[YellowPolkaDotHalo]

Did you get to Pushkar at all Kate? Loved it there but someone slipped a mickey finn of Datura into my Bang Lassy.. Interesting er experience 8(

 

[rockstar 69]

Excellent post Dan mate. I can share sentiments with you on alot of what you've said/been through. I was like that when I was younger, socially anxious cos I didn't really know what I was all about back then I guess. Smoking shit loads of weed didn't really help this and too many of my mates revolved around drugs, mephedrone in 2008 ish made this problem worse, essentially just a gathering of fiends. I don't speak to most of the people I used with then. Fiends before friends that lot.

I agree with you aswell dissociatives have opened me up far more than tripping has, I've done some pretty heavy doses of very clean liquid acid in my time aswell! But the afterglow from dissociatives is just something else to be frank.

Excellent post though mate I could apply most of that to myself. We would hit it off like a house on fire I reckon

Wise words there Sam aswell I totally agree with what you've said, for once

 

[Bluebell]

I'm not sure about the title of the thread but I feel like there are certain drugs you learn things from, or they make you better in some ways. For me it's K. This year from april-sept I've had some real bad times, being busted was one of them, that was ballbreaking simply because everyone then knows your a 'druggy'. But far worse was all that crack with those Einstein pills, literally watched my mate die infront of me. For about two weeks after I'd have nightmares reliving the same scenario, depressed, unfit and felt like life had no direction.

All that misery out of the way I started using dissociatives, mainly K, infact it's the only thing I will attribute this to. I am now feeling brilliant just less than 5 weeks since all that happened. Now my head is far more levelled. The K let me escape a bit at first, but then it showed me things aren't so bad and I've gotta just move on. It gave me motivation to do insane work outs, get back into the social scene, hell I'm even getting a second chance at my old job which anyone would have thought I'd permanently fucked!

Even I am literally amazed at the changes in myself over just 5 weeks. The girl I'm getting in about I'm going totally off my usual tactics I've been completely honest and accepting with her, so there is no cracking in the foundations before we try build a relationship. It's like my head is just so much clearer, my thinking more concise and I am more decisive.

Really feel like Ketamine has shown me my true potential. Every single person I've seen in the last week I know I have left a positive impact on cos my crack has been good and they've probably gone off thinking I'm a cracker.

Anyway, that's my chat. Anyone got any similar stories?

Sounds to me that you have had a lot of growing up to do in that past few months weeks, and good on you you feel you have come out feeling better, but on a sad note be warned those positive feelings can become destructive i.e your using a drug to make you feel better. I dont mean to shit on your parade glad your feeling good but try and let some of those good feelings come from natural addrenaline. Keep up with you gym and don't rely on Ket so much.


not trying preach just a word of warning as I have used drugs to mask bad times

 

[Myshkin]

Wise words there Sam aswell I totally agree with what you've said, for once

We can't be having that. Go for a lie down or summat.

I never get as much out of the likes of K as some people do, though I've experienced some weird stuff. The afterglow is indeed amazing though. Small sub-hole bumps could lift me from self-loathing to quite happy for a few days.

Wise words also, Bluebell. Just make sure you're careful Rockstar.