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Drugs that make you better........

dmt and acid was therapeutic for me, made me realise what i had in life and how easily i could lose it all if i continued the way i was going, eating benzos like no tomorrow etc

I found k to be an excellent drug to shift my increasingly dangerous coke addiction onto, it really helped me get over all that and stopped the need for powder to go up my nose, but all good things generally end so k got abit boring for me and was working out at the same cost as the charley lol, albeit i was doing 3+g a day! so at first it was good, then it got bad, i found the only thing that made me better was moving to an unknown place and starting from scratch, but even then it took me all of 3 days to find coke mdma and weed, maybe i should apply to be a sniffer dog...
 
Drugs for me have been a Pandoras box. I started taking them at about 14..
Its been a colourful, dramatic, shamanic,healing relationship for me..
I think once you open that box u need to be prepared for all the colours that stream out of it.. theres some beauty and light with them but also some darkness and scariness.
They damage and they heal they lift you to the glorious heights and they can make you kneel.

Ive been a Goddess and ive been a worm.

Thankfully Im at a time in my life where I can control them rather than letting them control me.
 
YellowPolkaDotHalo said:
Drugs for me have been a Pandoras box. I started taking them at about 14..
Its been a colourful, dramatic, shamanic,healing relationship for me..
I think once you open that box u need to be prepared for all the colours that stream out of it.. theres some beauty and light with them but also some darkness and scariness.
They damage and they heal they lift you to the glorious heights and they can make you kneel.

Ive been a Goddess and ive been a worm.

Thankfully Im at a time in my life where I can control them rather than letting them control me.
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Yeah, that's pretty much how I look at psychedelics in particular. I'm glad you used the word 'shamanic', though I can see that such language might raise a few eyebrows with the more dogmatic rationalist-materialist elements. Which is always fun.

These days I like to prepare and insulate myself against anxiety or any other potential negative effects by absorbing myself in certain kinds of imagery and symbolism. Whether there's any intrinsic value to this preparation other than psychologically honing myself for the emperience is totally irrelevant; I've used Elvis and Nixon to the same ends that I've used Set and the Archangel Raphael - archetypes, which is what the subconscious understands.

I don't tend to talk too much about that aspect of my drug use (and it extends beyond the time I spend on drugs) but I'm glad somebody else shares the view that while they won't turn you into a sage overnight, certain drugs can play a crucial role in reprogramming yourself.

Oh, and cheers to you too Acidtek. No surprise that we're of a similar opinion on some of this stuff, eh? ;)
 
Yeah Im a Christian so my central hero is christ..I get a lot of help from Elijah in my deserts..

My enemy is Old Nick lol.. Thats my name, Shes/my shadow. Its the name of the most challenging man Ive had in my life..
and the name of my hardest drug to control.. Mr Nick o Teen.

My dragon is opiates.. Lately shes more puff than fire breathing.. and Ive managed to tame her to some extent too. :) I first met her as feminax at about 14 she helped me battle
stomach cramps during my periods.. but then she seduced me in India.. with opium .

But!! I came back with a Poppy seed.. ( my daughters name :D )

Glad we are on a similar journey too Sam.. Look forward to sharing some insights and stories with you..

Nickson is one of my archeys too :D

Elvis has soothed me and serenaded me on the path too. Hes one of my angels :D
 
Shrooms shifted a year long depression for me one season.. The first year I went picking.

I had them a few times a week for about a 4 weeks that year.. I remember the first couple of trips I got the whole distorted ugly faces on people thing. .. Then the distortion shifted to utter clarity in tripping no matter how many I had.. and I scoffed a lot..
Its like the depression was the distortion and the shrooms gradually worked it out of me.

Im certainly not endorsing the act of sitting in a field for a month and gobbling handfuls of mushrooms to anyone though.. Just it worked for me that year..

Actually youd be jolly lucky to find a handful to gobble this year :D

Sam do you do the lip when you sing to Elvis :D?
 
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IzaBadger! said:
An a very harsh shroom trip did wonders for my eating disorder, 8 fucking hours of lieing in foetal position going over and over how stupid and destructive what I was doing was, how an 8 year old would take better care of themselves, how the only thing I was doing was making it impossible for myself to be happy. Not an experience I *ever* want to repeat but it did me good!
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wow- taht is really really amazing. i have spent many times in the situation you described, though not drug induced, and with a bit of 'got me on my knees in the bathroom, praying to a god i don't even believe in' (against me! lyrics...) biz thrown in. much respect to you.

i am very interested in the potentially psychologically healing attributes of drugs but have never had much chance to explore them. i came to this conclusion from a place of sheer desperation but think they could be valuable, just can't get shit of sufficient quality for it to be even worth attempting right now though.

overall i think the drugs that i have convinced myself, from a bad place, were doing me good, were doing me a lot of harm. i've developed dependencies on them that mean i'm a complete mess if there's even a chance i wont have as much as i might want. i thought they were getting me through dark places but really they just made it harder to get out. but then i know, time and again, i will fall back into that trap. i don't regret it as it has made me more committed to finding coping mechanisms other than avoidance.
 
IzaBadger! said:
Do you have problems with eating disorders too then? :-/ ...I have considered myself 'recovered' in the past but I can't really claim that right now, and I rather suspect that if the heroin drought DOES return for the winter I'll just swap coping methods again and spend every night with my head down the loo.
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yes. and i've fallen into the trap of considering myself recovered too- then it tried to come back, i wasn't being vigilant so it ingrained itself back into me quite deeply before i realised there's a problem. so i've stopped believing in recovery, gotta stay vigilant. though i'm also a total prat about it. i do things that i know increase my risk of relapse all the time, and don't stop myself because actually from the mental place i'm in right now, i don't want to let it go. i kind of yearn for its safe warm cold dangerous arms. i do eat well now though, but am using the possibility of 'free wieght loss' to motivate cutting down on beer. if i replace it wholesale with vodka its time to worry.

if you ever want to get in touch about it feel free. i have less experience with bulimia (i was actually diagnosed with it but found that to be a trivialisation of the disease) than anorexia, but if you find yourself with yearning and compulsions if another drought hits, feel free to vent. i'm really glad you managed to get out of it and mightily impressed, from the sounds of it you did it yourself. i don't know where people find the strength!!!
 
A couple of years of ecstasy use pretty much cured me of depression, changed my mindset ENTIRELY, even though it's now been several years since I touched the stuff (sadly. My body started hating it, and of course now you can't find MDA pills anyfuckingwhere...). An a very harsh shroom trip did wonders for my eating disorder, 8 fucking hours of lieing in foetal position going over and over how stupid and destructive what I was doing was, how an 8 year old would take better care of themselves, how the only thing I was doing was making it impossible for myself to be happy. Not an experience I *ever* want to repeat but it did me good!

I hear you on the K too, I majorly overdid it one night doing an IM shot then an IV shot because I didn't understand the timings well enough, thought I'd died the trip was so intense, but the next day I was the fucking zen master, SO chilled out. Got a bit in the cupboard, maybe that's what I need at the moment...
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How MDA pills would cure any depression I have no idea, they fucking WRECK you on the comedown. maybe not depressed but your mind body and soul are completely battered on the comedown! Haha!

I had that the other night doing a massive line of K mixed with MXE, completely dissociated and outright ruined. I'm only now starting to remember bits of the hole. Was still confused at 12pm the next day but I did have a cracking afterglow :)
 
SamhainGrim said:
Yeah, that's pretty much how I look at psychedelics in particular. I'm glad you used the word 'shamanic', though I can see that such language might raise a few eyebrows with the more dogmatic rationalist-materialist elements. Which is always fun.
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Sam, would you recommend any books on Shamanism? - I got interested after a recent experience, and have a couple of books in my Amazon basket - be good to get a recommendation from someone who (from reading your posts on here) has a good bullshit detector...
Shananism in Daily Life
Shamanic Journeying: A Beginners Guide
 
I'm just waiting on someone to say amphetamine for work or something silly so I can get on at them :D

The only drugs I can see would make someone better are dissociatives and psychadelics. The likes of MDMA maybe as it opens you up and allows you to connect with friends on a whole new level the first few times, I have some memories from my first few times on Crystal MDMA I will never ever forget, absolutely brilliant!

Anyone saying the likes of benzos sorting their anxiety, it doesn't really, it is a parttime cure. After you stop they will make you worse, as a wise man Dave once said Cognitive Behavior Theerapy cures anxiety, not gubbing loads of blues, which will ultimately make you worse! :)
 
Honestly i think that any idea lodged on drugs is just that - it's just drug-fucked thinking. The very thought that drug-recreational use be in the good - bad spectrum is quite bizarre. That spectrum is wide eh...

Can't say any drug has made or influenced a "better me" - why the hell should it?!!!? What happened to plain ole glorious hedonism ?
 
rockstar 69 said:
IThe only drugs I can see would make someone better are dissociatives and psychadelics.
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Agreed, you could argue that dissociatves fall into the broad psychadelic spectrum, however. Stimulants will you give you an amazing night but certainly do not make someone a better person, regardless of what a meth/meph/coke addict may tell themselves. I used to say Mephedrone changed my life - yeah, now I realise my addiction fucked me up. I use it responsibly now and I don't have that delusion any longer. However, back onto Ketamine and Methoxetamine etc, ALL dissociatives have massive addiction potential so it's wise to be cautious.
 
I might have known with a name like yours, eh? ;)

Most of my more mystical leanings are from the stance of the Western mystery tradition (Crowley, the Golden Dawn etc.) so shamanism per se is something I've only really touched upon from its brushes with 'magick'. I'm still an avowed skeptic (it helps to prevent you going mad) but I do value some of the methods and approaches I've picked up from those sources. Ultimately you find most of these things converge at some point; though whether that point is marked 'utter bullshit' is entirely up to you.

I've definitely come across recommendations for the first one, but I find going with reader reviews and assessing their sanity is always a good guide. Something I'd recommend to you from the left field as a really good overview of occultism in several forms from the skeptic's point of view is Cosmic Trigger by Robert Anton Wilson. Definitely one to read if you want to avoid some of the pitfalls and not end up half-mad and an embarrassment in polite company like I did.
 
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