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I think the bins are an absolute rubbish and failed idea. People would toss up between throwing there shit out or taking it instead leading to overdoses and who knows what else. The problem is even I would more than likely take more than usual so I wouldnt have to dump it all. I think most of us would do the same. If we were in a different country it wouldnt really matter, Id just toss it but drugs here are so expensive.
 
^ I can see how the expense could be a deterrent for people considering using then. The idea does seem to work better overseas then it did here, from what I've heard in this thread.

I better idea, in my opinion, would be for people caught by the police with contraband to just have it confiscated rather then charges being filed. I don't think large amounts obviously meant to be sold on the premises should be treated the same way though. Mainly because a lot of the substances to be sold at festivals tend to be misrepresented, inferior in many cases and who knows what the substance actually is and with legitimate onsite testing out of the question this could be dangerous. People should prepare for the event beforehand and ensure they have decent material.

Do you think at an underground, word by mouth, event out in the bush they might be able to get away with the stupidly illegal testing? Because it was definitely a great HR initiative.

I've never been to one of these underground or bush doof events befpre so I don't know if any law enforcement authorities tend to turn up at some point,
 
Not that I know of. I do however know police are known to pull random cars over and call in the dog squad. If you are considering trafficking or smuggling drugs interstate I would strongly advise against such actions as the charges are severe.

Stay safe my friend, don't be another statistic.
 
Mr Blonde said:
^ I can see how the expense could be a deterrent for people considering using then. The idea does seem to work better overseas then it did here, from what I've heard in this thread.

I better idea, in my opinion, would be for people caught by the police with contraband to just have it confiscated rather then charges being filed. I don't think large amounts obviously meant to be sold on the premises should be treated the same way though. Mainly because a lot of the substances to be sold at festivals tend to be misrepresented, inferior in many cases and who knows what the substance actually is and with legitimate onsite testing out of the question this could be dangerous. People should prepare for the event beforehand and ensure they have decent material.

Do you think at an underground, word by mouth, event out in the bush they might be able to get away with the stupidly illegal testing? Because it was definitely a great HR initiative.

I've never been to one of these underground or bush doof events befpre so I don't know if any law enforcement authorities tend to turn up at some point,
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The underground doofs and raves my mates have been to, usually the location is found out an hour before the event. LEO have been known to turn up and shut the place down, but have never searched or arrested anyone on drug charges. I think it is because LEO generally need authority/ warrant to use the sniffer dogs, so it would be grounds for an illegal search.
 
I have never seen sniffer dogs at state borders. Most of the state borders I've crossed though were barely recognizable as changing states.

And before anyone asks, no we aren't going to give you tips on smuggling.

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kroniic said:
The underground doofs and raves my mates have been to, usually the location is found out an hour before the event. LEO have been known to turn up and shut the place down, but have never searched or arrested anyone on drug charges. I think it is because LEO generally need authority/ warrant to use the sniffer dogs, so it would be grounds for an illegal search.
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I've never been to one unfortunately. Would love to go one day though. :D
 
Mr Blonde said:
I have never seen sniffer dogs at state borders. Most of the state borders I've crossed though were barely recognizable as changing states.

And before anyone asks, no we aren't going to give you tips on smuggling.

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I've never been to one unfortunately. Would love to go one day though. :D
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Me too. My mates tell me about all the ones they've been to, and I am so eager to go. No LEO to hassle you, minimal problems, there is security present so it is fairly safe. The whole idea of not knowing where the doof is at makes it so much fun.
 
mada87 said:
does anyone know if there are sniffer dogs at the state borders?
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Australian Police have previously set up road blocks at state borders and run dogs through cars.

When the Police first got the rights to use these powers the first person charged was a father travelling on the Sturt Highway with his wife and kids on their way to a holiday. The detector dog found a small tobacco tin with an even smaller amount of Cannabis in it. The guy was all over the news for days.

Not saying it will happen just saying that Police have to power to do this and that it has happened in the past.
 
Pretty sure there is a check point on the way in to WA from SA. But I suspect its more to do with fruit etc.
 
yeah, fruit/vege quarantine dogs are trained for different things than drug dogs.
there are also explosives-sniffing dogs and ones that are trained to track people and sniff out corpses.
there are probably others, but thats all i can think of.

i wonder if they use the other trained dogs as 'dummy' drug dogs at events? the sight of a copper with any sort of dog is enough to give most of us here the jitters.
except the cops here, i guess?
 
spacejunk said:
yeah, fruit/vege quarantine dogs are trained for different things than drug dogs.
there are also explosives-sniffing dogs and ones that are trained to track people and sniff out corpses.
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They are Cadaver dogs, different to explosives dogs.
spacejunk said:
i wonder if they use the other trained dogs as 'dummy' drug dogs at events? the sight of a copper with any sort of dog is enough to give most of us here the jitters.
except the cops here, i guess?
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They do.

They also try to pass them off as passive detector dogs in the CBD in Sydney when a detector dog is not available i.e all the time. The handlers are highly trained in reading people's reactions to the dog and will claim that you have been positively identified by the dog for carrying a prohibited substance. If you read through this thread there are lots of mentions of this happening.
 
^Spot on.

I've watched the dog handlers at a few events and at least half of the score of "drug detection" dogs I have witnessed were clearly not trained to detect drugs. Watch the detectors closely and you'll notice they are scanning the crowd in front of them, and usually when they find someone they think might have drugs they will click or point at the feet of the person - thus causing the dog to sit down, giving the police legal right to search you.
 
^ Fucking hell that's dodgy. Makes me want to go to a festival and set up a video recorder that the people caught can use later in caught as evidence showing the police had no reasonable grounds for a search.
 
Mr Blonde said:
^ Fucking hell that's dodgy. Makes me want to go to a festival and set up a video recorder that the people caught can use later in caught as evidence showing the police had no reasonable grounds for a search.
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Taking the name and number of the officer and dog, you could use it towards an argument that the dog was not in fact a drug dog and therefore the search had no reasonable grounds. You'd probably want a witness as well. If you had a witness that could testify that the officer prompted the dog to choose you, you would have a decent case IMO
 
Lots of the dogs I see at festivals appear to have only enough training to not freak out with excitement with all the people around. These must be the stand-in dogs you are referring to ey?
 
I knew a guy that got caught with 100 pills at an event this year. Thrown out of court with no charge.

As he was walking in, he had passed the entry, dogs and all, walking in and he was grabbed by an undercover officer who had taken him into a tent to be strip searched. In court his lawyer argued that there was no suspicion beyond reasonable doubt to be searched, judge agreed that evidence was obtained illegally and was thrown out of court.
 
Sniffer Dogs and Stimulant medication

Hey Guys,

Just a quick quiery on how sniffer dogs (specifically in the NSW police force in Australia, if that makes and difference) react to stimulnat medication such as Ritalin, Concerta AND Dexenthatmine (dont think I spelt that right)

As always thanks guys for your valid and helpfull input.

GrappleRaver
 
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