QLD's New Definition of an Analogue

[Busty St Clare]

Meh, MDMA , coke , weed and LSD are already identified and illegal but I'll be happier sticking to them

 

[heythatsmybike]

Before I say something smart, is this a blatant advertisement for possibly YOUR mix? This has nothing to do with this thread, at all? Or am I missing something here?

Mate did you even read the article? It was a direct joke on exactly what the law depicts. It wasn't a stupid comment it was actually quite witty, what I found stupid was the amount of comments you followed it with, which you managed to point out your own stupidity with every time.

Mods will do their job, so if you have a problem with a comment just report it. No need to be a brown nosing dickhole. Just get out of people's grills and contribute when you have something useful. Also, I read the ibis thread so I know how much of a stupid douche you can be.

 

[kroniic]

Meh, MDMA , coke , weed and LSD are already identified and illegal but I'll be happier sticking to them

QFTFT!!!!!

Fuck all this RC bullshit.

 

[acidprime]

Thanks heythatsmybike ... I knew someone would read the article eventually.

8)


In a way, this is exactly the same as the "banning the bong" debacle. Now we have water pourers, oil pourers, specialist vases. Its a joke really how stupid all this is.

 

[Esotericism]

(b) an ordinary person would reasonably consider, in the
circumstances of the case, that the accused intended that
the thing have a substantially similar pharmacological
effect.

This isn't the first time a law has included "thing" as a defining word. Lets just hope the circus of someone challenging them for a proper definition of what a thing is happens again.

 

[lovepsychadelics]

Just a thought but what if you intended to use something in a manner that did not involve consuming it for it's substantially similar pharmacological effect? ie use "herbal incense" as incense and not smoke it. Most of this stuff has "Not for human consumption" on the packaging. Any thoughts?

 

[Mr Blonde]

^ Could work as long as you weren't caught in the act of using it for psychoactive purposes.

I'm going to write a letter to the A-G later on when this etizolam kicks in. Fuck these vague laws, they could be applied to all sorts of unscheduled, natural products that are currently being sold in health stores and pharmacies but of course they will only use it to ban the synthetic cannabinoids.

 

[GodsStash]

I too am fed up with the laws regarding RC's, especially the analogue laws of QLD. Since the analogue act came into play I have been too afraid to import any RC's even the one's that are not specifically scheduled as they may fall under the analogue act.
I have since quit every drug, apart from coffee & ciggies, and have been putting the money that I would normally spend on drugs into a savings account so that I can leave Australia and it's backwards laws behind.
I never thought it would come to this but I just like to get high and I don't believe that I should be classed as a criminal for the like of the feeling. There are so many countries that have much better drug laws regarding cannabis and RC's. I hear Portugal is a nice place where people are not judged by what they put into THEIR OWN bodies...

 

[Jakeperson]

Just a thought but what if you intended to use something in a manner that did not involve consuming it for it's substantially similar pharmacological effect? ie use "herbal incense" as incense and not smoke it. Most of this stuff has "Not for human consumption" on the packaging. Any thoughts?

That's exactly how every one in America gets away with it.

To the people saying fuck the RC's, how do you think your beloved drugs became so big?

 

[Jakeperson]

Which is fine if you are willing to risk the minimum sentence for importing that drug.

 

[SomeWhatCynikal]

The changes to legislation this thread relates to is still in Bill form, It's not currently active, its just proposed. Please conduct more research before disturbing the flock, you guys are worse than the media.

"don't shoot the messenger, and don't shoot before asking questions"

*ducks*

 

[DeathDomokun]

Too true man, we're way worse than the media. All the mods here are ignorant fucks with no education just sprouting bullshit all over the place, especially that Mr. B!
God I wish he'd just read a book or two the dumb fuck, always going around misinforming everyone! You're all shit!
Seriously great first post man, I can already feel the benefits of your presence. Yes, I'm aware this is hypocritical as I'm making a shit post too, but I don't give a fuck.
Please let us know if you get a response Mr. B

 

[spacejunk]

^ huh?
relax man, i think what this cat is trying to say is that this legislation hasn't been passed yet.
some people get really worked up about things they don't even understand, seems to be all too common in this country.

 

[DeathDomokun]

I am relaxed, and I do understand what I commented on.

 

[chugs]

who cares

it won't stop shit, it'll cause the prosecution of some unlikely people who got caught and the world will keep on spinning.

it'll be as ineffectual as all of the other prohibition laws that proceeded it

 

[pisspotnrock]

Too true man, we're way worse than the media. All the mods here are ignorant fucks with no education just sprouting bullshit all over the place, especially that Mr. B!
God I wish he'd just read a book or two the dumb fuck, always going around misinforming everyone! You're all shit!
Seriously great first post man, I can already feel the benefits of your presence. Yes, I'm aware this is hypocritical as I'm making a shit post too, but I don't give a fuck.
Please let us know if you get a response Mr. B

Has anybody ever told you your a cunt? The dude was givin us some useful information 8)

 

[VapeMonkey]

This now means that not just drugs with similar effects, but totally ineffectual herb mixes comprised of chammomile, passionflower and skullcap can now be classed as being analogues of cannabis IF they are marketed as having a similar effect, regardless of whether they do or not(For example if it claims to be a "legal alternative to cannabis" on the packaging or even claims to be a "legal high"). Whereas before it had to be either chemically similar or have a similar effect, this is what they mean when they say that they have made the laws harsher, the product no longer has to be effectual, in other words sugar pills sold as legal ecstacy could fall under the alologue laws despite having no psychoactive properties. They would have to be pretty desperate to bust you and it probably isn't too likely that it will happen, but it is now legally possible to get busted for drugs without possessing any psychoactive substances at all.

 

[VapeMonkey]

Just a thought but what if you intended to use something in a manner that did not involve consuming it for it's substantially similar pharmacological effect? ie use "herbal incense" as incense and not smoke it. Most of this stuff has "Not for human consumption" on the packaging. Any thoughts?

It still falls under the analogue laws if it is chemically similar or would have a similar effect when consumed, whether or not the person in posession intends to consume it is irrelivent. JWH is an effective plant growth hormone, but if you're caught with it, even if you're just putting it on your bonzai trees it is still an analogue of THC due to it's molecular similarity and you will be charged as if it were THC, just like growing cannbis just to use it to make hemp rope or fabric will get you in just as much trouble as growing it to smoke, even though owning the rope is legal once it has been converted into rope form, possession of the cannabis is still a crime regardless of intent.
This part of the law hasn't changed.

The proposed ammendments to the laws simply make it possible to be charged while NOT in possession of a substance that is chemically similar and does NOT have pharmacological effects similar to the drug it is being labled an analogue of. It need only be sold or advertised as having similar effects, or if the person in possession admits to an intent to use it to achieve similar effects. Whether these effects are possible is irrelivent, you could be busted for smoking tomato leaves if they can demonstrate that it was sold to you as a "legal" equivenent of cannabis or the packaging claims that it has similar effects. Anything that claims to be "legal bud" or to have a "THC-like high" on the packaging will be considered an anologue, even if it is just a herbal blend consisting of completely legal herbs, which have little if any psychoactive effect when smoked and can legally be purchased individually, it will be weighed up as if it is cannabis and the same charges as cannabis possession will apply. The same applies to "herbal ecstacy" the fact that it uses the word "ecstacy" in the description is enough to cause it to fall under the analogue laws, even if the most potent compound in it is caffeine. Another product with the exact same ingredients which does not claim to have similar effects to, or to be a "legal" version of an illegal substance will not be considered an analogue.

Yes it's ridiculous and all people have to do is change the packaging and the names of products in order for them to not be considered analogues, so long as they do not contain anything molecularly similar to a prohibited substance, but most of these blends and legal alternatives are not made in QLD or with QLD analogue laws in mind, so they will most likely NOT change their labeling and as such, ordering them via the internet or even having them in your possession in QLD after buying them in a state where they are legal could result in being prosecuted.

They try to pass bills like this all the time, and they usually don't make it through, but enough do get passed to make life miserable for anyone who wants to get high without resorting to anything toxic or dangerous.

 

[DeathDomokun]

Has anybody ever told you your a cunt? The dude was givin us some useful information 8)

Are you fucking kidding me? If you had bothered to read the OP, or even look at the link, it's extremely hard to miss that it's a bill.
I don't know maybe your use of homophones is a reflection of your reading comprehension, but fuck man, really? Maybe I missed it. Tell me what exactly the new, useful information in the post is?

 

[lovepsychadelics]

Liked acidprime's bit of light hearted banter. Who really gives a fuck anyway. Customs confiscates most of the RC's people order, although I'm sure some get through. So who gives a shit if the latest non federally banned bunch of synthetic smoke crap can't legally be bought in sunny QLD. The new synths are fucking awful shit and I for one don't. AS13 maybe Sameria has a point, but who am I to talk.