I do NOT like how optimistic my fellow Kratomites are getting.
Just look at how far down this thread has dropped before I had to call it to the top!!
The DEA has said they will extend the commentary period till December 1st and it's still legal till then BUT, Susan Ash of the Kratom foundation is urging people to continue fighting, making calls and emails to the right people and I will as soon as I know WHO to send them to!!
I think Reddit is more involved in this than we are so I'll go over there soon for the necessary actions to take.
This is what I wrote before in the Kratom Megathread:
I think it's REALLY important people continue to make even more calls and emails during the DEA's "comment period" but it doesn't seem enough people around here are.
I will make some myself once I figure out how.
I think that the DEA is banking on people having blown their wad already and then when not enough people respond during their comment period because they already responded before they will say "see, we gave you guys a few months to respond and you didn't respond much so we are making it illegal".
Then we'll all be like "yeah but we got 120,000 plus signatures BEFORE the comment period" and they'll be like "all that did was earn you the right to have a comment period which you didn't even use, and now we are scheduling it".
I do NOT like two things about your average drug user: 1) they are overly optimistic about things like these 2) they are often lazy and unwilling to take the necessary actions in a situation like this to keep their drug legal when they can.
I think that unfortunately the DEA may just be playing a "long game" now, expecting us to calm down because we think we won, and then just scheduling it at a later date.
I think we can only potentially stop the ban IF WE CONTINUE TO MAKE LOTS AND LOTS OF NOISE LIKE WE DID LAST MONTH!!!
Do NOT be foolish and think that the EVIL DEA is just "letting this slide".
We already have strong evidence that big pharma is trying to make drugs out of Kratom's alkaloids and is probably paying off or influencing the DEA.
The DEA STILL wants Kratom illegal if they can do so and I'd make a money bet with anyone who thinks otherwise.
STOP being overly optimistic and get active on making SURE Kratom STAYS legal!!!
Don't just drop the issue and be hopeful or we will lose this war.
Idk about the idea of it becoming illegal once trump gets in office but I don't think we had a chance against the DEA. These are people who continue to vouch for the idea that weed should be schedule 1, they clearly won't listen to reason or even a good chunk of the population.
Maybe you're right mycophile but I just don't have that much faith in humanity, I'm a pessimist.
Not me, I'm nowhere near mentally prepared for it to become illegal. Since the day they delayed the ban I've been on a non stop daily binge and despite to an already bad mental addiction I'm getting my use in while I can, I'll deal with the consequences later.
I'm pretty much in the same situation as you two lol. I hadn't taken kratom for a couple years but a month ago I decided I needed to try it one last time before they banned it. plus I needed to get off the downward spiral I was in with buying more and more pills, rising tolerance, etc.
I started out at a really low 5 gram dose but that has gone to like 15+ grams a day and I'm also trying to enjoy it while I can. Also I need to get rid of the huge amount I bought before the ban begins.
I don't think they would bust my door down or anything but I have it on me everyday. In my car too while on the road, not my whole stash but a decent amount and when I'm driving to and from work everyday I don't want the added risk of having it on me.
None of this has ever stopped police from busting people they "suspect" of drug possession. It's not like we live in a 1960s made for TV cop show. The police everywhere in every country have had hundreds of years of experience manufacturing evidence and 9.999999 times out of 10 it's their word against yours. Guess who wins in the court room?I heard some other poster say they would put it in Valerian Root bottles for this reason.
Another said that it looks and smells like Henna, which I guess is a skin dye of some kind people use to give themselves the appearance of extra color or a tan or whatever, and they got the idea they could pretend that was what it was.
If/when Kratom becomes illegal I think it will be VERY hard for cops to know what they hell they are doing in arresting someone for it.
I mean it just looks and smells so benign as a powder, as if it were any ground herb, and unless you have massive amounts of it, simply pouring the contents on the ground would practically dispose of it if you were in a grassy area, or hell, you could open your window while driving and open the bag and let the wind suck it out and unless it's more than like maybe half an ounce it would just be gone and blown away by the wind IMO.
You obviously know that if Kratom powder is spilled on anything other than a clean floor it is DAMN hard to pick up again.
It's just such a light, powdery substance.
If a you pour it out and a cop can't even pick it up to confiscate it, it seems like it would be difficult for him to do much with you in terms of arrest.
I don't know, that's just how it seems to me.
I was once carrying a ziplock bag of about 14 grams of powder and there was a hole in the bag I didn't notice and it emptied into my pants pocket.
I was outside in a grassy area and not thinking about it and turned my pocket inside in some poor attempt to get it out and maybe put it in another bag, but then it was just gone in the grass with no hope of me getting it up again and I was PISSED.
That sort of thing, and it looking so vague just seems like it would make it easier to get away with somehow.
I personally don’t think you really have to worry about anyone busting your door down to take your Kratom from you.
They are going to be more concerned with vendors or at least people who buy bulk amounts WHILE it’s illegal.
I just can’t imagine that they are going to send DEA agents to bust down anyone’s door who has purchased any…I mean people have fucking rights and I don’t THINK you can get a search warrant to go bust someone’s door down easily just cause you have a paper trail saying he bought a bunch several months ago.
I would think that would be GROSSLY out of bounds.
I'm sure they could if WHILE it was illegal you purchased several kilos, but having bought it while it was still legal?
Seems a grey area to me and more paper work than it would be worth and something they'd just do to the vendors.
Drug raids happen, but on a personal level?
I don’t believe it would go down like that.
I myself have never bought a kilo, but if I were to do such a thing I don’t believe it would be at all likely that a DEA agent would bust down my door and search for it and arrest me.
I’d try my best to sue them for all they were worth…which might or might not work lol…
It’s easy to get rid of too…I mean you know it looks like dirt, and when I am unlucky enough to drop some powder, even on a perfectly clean floor, unless I drop a large amount all at once, it usually just floats away like dust.
Probably one of the easiest drugs to dispose of, even in bulk.
I definitely think they will kick down doors. They do for weed... And weed is even more harmless than kratom.. (besides if you have anxiety disorders, psychotic disorders etc.)..
I'm so mad about this whole scenario. These fucking assholes are taking away the one hope so many of us addicts had. It's either kratom or psych meds and suboxone/methadone.. which those alternatives have dire consequences.
Trump and his goons will ban kratom, it'll be "easy to hide" in valerian bottles or whatever.. but good luck getting it. All the online shops will stop sending to the US, no shop would be stupid enough to sell you it for they'd be risking distribution charges of a schedule 1.. and then after they wipe out any shops or distributors that attempt to defy the government they'll come after the every day citizens. We will see people getting legit prison time.. for kratom.
I live in the US... And I honestly have never been more let down by my country than ever before. Sure the US has always sucked in many ways... Draconian drug laws, Christian politics, racism, homophobia, corporate greed and a government riddled with corruption and hypocrisy... Things were looking up though. In many ways there was some hope that things would be finally catching up with our European counterparts... Now with Trump and all the other bullshit that's been happening, we are about to see another long 8 years of conservative bullshit. Our country is literally about to suck like it did back in the Bush era..
R.I.P. progress and any sense of freedom.
And yes I say 8 because unless this prick dies then we all know the American public will probably vote this idiot in again for a second term. They did with Bush... They will with Trump.
I think they have to have some real proof you have KILO’s worth, and I know I won’t.
I wont’ have any after it’s illegal, if it’s made illegal, which it probably will be but we can hope.
I hate Trump too, but I’m not sure they’ll vote him in a 2nd term, and I actually think there’s a good chance he’ll be impeached within 2 years.
He makes Bush look GOOD and that’s hard.
But I’m just not sure how many people will have enough Kratom other than former vendors to be worth the DEA’s time.
I also wonder how it’s not still a human right’s violation to bust someone’s door in without a search warrant.
That is supposed to be necessary for a search and seizure, but I think these monsters can get away with all sorts of shit.
I can’t believe Trump has been elected, and so I have no more faith in Americans by and large anymore.