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Thanks guys. I appreciate it. I don't want to make matters worse due to an increase of medication either. I have tried my very best to keep the lowest dosage possible. I have actually appreciated that my doctor does treat me very conservatively. I see how very hard and terrible it can become with the opiates and I definitely don't want that. I do other stuff like meditation, exercise, essential oils, supplements, prayer, anything I can think of. The turmeric does help and so does ashwaganda (you should look into that one Shroomy) but I am out of money and can only get things once in awhile as my family is having to pay for me now.

My health problems have gotten worse though. I now have a huge hernia in my lower abdomen that cannot even be fixed with surgery. Add that to major back problems, cluster fuck migraine headaches,( liver failure, kidney failure due to accidental Tylenol overdose), head injury (someone hit me from behind on the freeway) left leg pain, sciatica, etc.
It actually feels like I am slowly going paralyzed. I have been having movement problems bad.

I guess I will just continue to do the best I can. I don't know what the answer is. It seems ridiculous that someone as injured as I am should have to resort to Imodium over needing a few more pain medicines a month. I'm sure that is not good on my poor Liver.
Seems like a few short acting pain med's may be the answer? I don't know. This "pain management " is the hardest thing and I am a smart person. I have been searching down answers everywhere. A lot of the natural supplements have actually made me worse. It is like a very, very fine line I have to walk at all times to keep a delicate balance. Even eating a cookie could throw it off.

I'm so happy to hear of your progress Shroomy! Keep up the good work. I think your life will improve so much.
Happy to hear you are talking to a new lady too! :)

Sending love to all of you. <3
 
I cancelled my oxy prescriptions today!!! I called the pharmacy and requested a cancellation of all refills. I am DONE, the last three times I relapsed were on prescription day. It took a hell of a lot because I know I'll never be scripted again. I am very proud of myself because I know this is it. I didn't even think twice about it because I saw the relapse coming. Fuck it, I'm celebrating with a line of blow and jamming my guitar : )

That is what it took for me, that was the last step and I've been struggling a lot lately with making the call.
 
I cancelled my oxy prescriptions today!!! I called the pharmacy and requested a cancellation of all refills. I am DONE, the last three times I relapsed were on prescription day. It took a hell of a lot because I know I'll never be scripted again. I am very proud of myself because I know this is it. I didn't even think twice about it because I saw the relapse coming. Fuck it, I'm celebrating with a line of blow and jamming my guitar : )

That is what it took for me, that was the last step and I've been struggling a lot lately with making the call.

Oh Shroomy GOOD JOB!!!!!!!
Major balls you have!
I'm so happy to hear that my friend. I was worried about you relapsing when prescription day came around again.
You don't want to go through that horror again and guess what? You NEVER have to!!!
Well done! You enjoy your guitar. I told you that you needed to have music on your mind more.
That is the one thing that totally saves me is music! Sweet music! Enjoy!!!
 
Thank you! I totally sense a strong mutual attraction with this new lady. She's a lot more emotionally stable, is really into health and nutrition, doesn't use any drugs and would be a better match for me. I'm not going to make the same mistake twice because opiate abuse destroys the most passionate of relationships. Either way I will be clean for me.

Wish me luck with this lady, Painful One. She is a really special one. Crazy hard to get and it is going to be a major challenge for me, especially while detoxing. She says she really likes me so far, but she can't have any additional stress so I'll have to see if I can keep it together, and if I can, things might just work out. Healthy relationships are really important to me and this would be lovely.
 
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don't mess it up, shroomy.
That is the one thing that totally saves me is music! Sweet music! Enjoy!!!
without a doubt, music saved my life.

dig what FnX said. on a lower dose i was able to function, couldn't CT at the time.

spent a few hours cleaning, organizing stuff, found many plastic strips from fentanyl patches, checked em all to make sure there wasn't any on them ( safety of course ) ;p but i know if they did i'd use. even typing this is kinda making me anxious, so i'ma go work out like crazy and listen to music.

i recall reading this https://www.reddit.com/r/OpiatesRec...es_something_an_addiction_specialist_told_me/ on "euphoric recall" found it helpful.

will be a month on saturday. i'm happy to be alive, dealing with emotions is challenging af, but i'll be ok.

i hope sleep returns to normal soon. last night i woke up at 3am and stayed up all day.
 
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I had to throw my coke away because I couldn't stop fiending it... never again. Fuck that shit, I'm so dehydrated from it today but nothing like an alcohol hangover.

Since I am on day 16 and recovering fast I thought I'd write down the list of health supplements I have been taking daily:

-Some form of turmeric (excellent anti-inflammatory)

-B complex

-Vitamin D with K2 (the K2 is required for it to absorb properly... northern climate very important)

-Magnesium Glyconate (most bioavailable form, take 3x daily spread apart to avoid runs... helps with the full body muscle aches)

-Ginger caps for nausea and digestion (normally I cook with this and turmeric but I have not been able to stomach much and lost a ton of weight in CT)

-L-theanine for anxiety

-Valerian for either sleep or anxiety (best to get a concentrated form over the tea... it is seriously nature's valium! I wish I had known before getting on that shit)

-Melatonin if you really need it to sleep, but not for daily use

-L-arginine for blood pressure (these amino acids need to be taken on an empty stomach to properly absorb, so they don't compete with all the ones in food)

-L-tyrosene (precursor for dopamine and norepinephrine, saved me from a horrible multi-day coke crash but it is great to take)

-L-tryptophan, serotonin precursor

-Sencha tea for energy and for after meals for digestion, herbal teas to relax at night and for anti-oxidants, chamomile is great

-Lots of coconut water for hydration, electrolytes

-ridiculous quantities of water is critical

-whey protein or some form of protein supplementation

Still trying to eat three healthy meals a day but it's hard, and yeah, definitely research these things first if interested

All of that stuff cost me way less money than a couple days worth of fix
 
In my experience, tapering was a lot worse of a way to quit. There is the constant threat of a relapse, it happens way more often than not, and your days tapering will still be off. Won't feel right until you are off the drugs completely. It's really just spreading out and extending the pain you have to endure.

Why not endure that week of hell and get it over with? It's the fastest way out. Not to discouraging anyone who is tapering well, but I could never ever taper at the end of the day because I was a drug addict. Had to quit and never look back and at the two week mark today I'm feeling phenomenal. The time will pass and you will feel better quick. And that week of hell will make you think twice about a relapse, that's for sure. I'm not even picking up my script this week.

People who want to just need to commit and fucking quit. If you want to quit a drug and it's not like benzos, why not cold turkey the shit. You'll feel more accomplished too enduring that nightmare. Just my opinion and what is working for me. I would only ever cold turkey detox this shit.

I really hope my (opium) WD's lasted only week. Almost two months now after quitting and still have wd's. Nothing that 600mg pregabalin won't fix, but I can't continue taking pregabalin or I get addicted to them. Right now having serious hungover too, I never drink again. Nothing that speed can't help.
 
Physical wd's after 2 months? Yeah, I got drunk a couple times in withdrawal and the next day was hell. I will never drink again either, but I've been using some coke. I'll be off opiates for 3 weeks on Tuesday. I am struggling a lot with my emotions but I know that opiates are not the solution.
 
I hope things are working out for you FnX. You have been in my prayers.
Thank you so much for the information about opiate induced hyperalgesia.
It is not even pain that makes me take more than my daily dose of medications. Something happens to me from being in chronic pain.
It is like, after so long of just putting up with it, using distraction etc. that I have some type of a break down where I feel suicidal and I literally feel like taking a knife and cutting my arms all up. It is a horrific feeling. I try to take more pain medication when that happens because it feels so BAD. The only thing that really gets rid of it though is to sleep and meditate and just let my brain "re-set".
Has anyone else had this before? Any help would be appreciated. I am afraid to tell anyone that because I don't want to find myself strapped down under suicide watch. I'm not suicidal. This is some kind of "break" that seems to occur when I just get worn down from constant pain and the subsequent struggle that having disabilities from that brings for me.

I'm in acute withdrawal from M.S Contin right now. I took 40 mg of Imodium (loperamide) and I'm alright. I get my refills on Wednesday morning. I feel pretty crappy but it could be a whole lot worse so I am grateful.

I guess it is time I talk to my doctor about this. There seems to be some sort of nightmare that comes along as a precursor or warning that this sort of break or attack is going to happen. I cannot ever remember what the nightmare is about but I know when I have it.

I refuse to fear this opiate withdrawal and I will not fear this other thing that happens either!

Hope everyone is doing alright today. Love, support, and prayers going out to all of you.
Hang in there guys.
 
Physical wd's after 2 months? Yeah, I got drunk a couple times in withdrawal and the next day was hell. I will never drink again either, but I've been using some coke. I'll be off opiates for 3 weeks on Tuesday. I am struggling a lot with my emotions but I know that opiates are not the solution.

Yeah, coke is better than alcohol. I've been using lots of amphetamine, its great for wd's but sleeping is hell, it's imposible. I've been using 1g pregabalin for I think two weeks daily. I need to get some GHB or GBL to use for 1 week so I can have break from pregabalin. Can't go sober yet if it feels so bad. It seems wd's never stop. Maybe I jsut should get fentanyl and use it for one week, I know the wd's are very short so it's better than this.
 
Very glad this thread exists. Currently I am on 4.5g phenibut every other day, 3-4mg etiz daily, ,5mg-1mg clonazolam daily. Started etiz taper yesterday, only did 2.5. Plan to keep this up today. I figure I can gradually taper the phenibut once I get past the benzos...really dont know what to expect from any of this...and I don't have anyone I can confide in for social support.
 
This makes me sad to read man. :( This is also the reason people usually don't recommend getting into relationships during recovery. I knew that coke was gonna fuck you up. You're pretty unbalanced from multiple areas right now. It's a shame to give up on leaving opiates behind, but it is indeed better than jumping off a cliff. <3

Try to remember how you felt after your huge AL-LAD trip when you felt so strongly that you were done with opiates, you were brimming with joy for a while then. You're riding peaks and valleys right now man, and you're in a deep valley at the moment, but there are more peaks. There's also a plateau, over yonder, that you could head towards, although it's a ways away. I think you really need to find something to do with your time that makes you feel happy, that helps a lot.

Please don't defeat yourself. Basically you've paved the pathway to your injecting heroin again, you've created a self-fulfilling prophecy that ensures you do, if you don't stop victimizing yourself.

I hope this doesn't sound harsh, I'm not trying to be. I just know you're stronger than this. You're probably feeling the aftereffects of a cocaine binge right now which is making everything temporarily seem far worse.
 
I've talked to a few women since then and they have treated me like shit after getting to know me well. I can't deal with the girl problems, I'm unemployed with two university degrees, I should be an engineer with a wife and I can't accept that I don't even work. I'm an excellent metalcore guitarist and know that is my real talent but I have no structure in my life apart from 4 hours of daily practice.

I think you're focusing too much on someone else making you happy. You say you're "supposed" to be an engineer with a wife, but that's not true, you're supposed to be whatever you want to be. To be honest I think any relationship you get into right now will be a negative thing for you in the end, because you're putting a lot of pressure on that, and you're trying to recover from addiction, and when things go wrong it's going to keep making your recovery harder. I think you should temporarily stop pursuing women while you get yourself right. You gotta get happy with yourself before you can have a healthy relationship. Right now you should focus on recovery, and when you're feeling stable, you can focus on career and relationships. One step at a time. :)
 
It sucks being lonely for the vast majority of my adult life because I was too shy to talk to women. Most men could never relate to that, and it is torture. Most people don't spend their 20's going years without any contact with the opposite sex at all and it has completely alienated me from my fellow species. The relationship this summer was wonderful because she helped me realize that some girls really like me and I am much more comfortable with myself in that way now. It is the whole reason I started abusing drugs, specifically I began by smoking pot all day to try and escape the infuriating sexual frustration and that was my first habit. I am fine to be with a girl right now in fact I am at my prime. I'm not going to get anymore emotionally stable and a lot of ladies don't really care since I'm not a danger and I am very attractive. I am pursuing women because I am horny as fuck, and it is healthy.
Anyways, this is my last post. There is nothing left for me on a website about drugs. This doesn't feel like a relapse, it feels like a suicidal coke crash in which I reached out to opiates to try and get a grip on and they weren't even enough. I don't think that in a few days when I finally recover from that disgusting coke that I won't be drawn to opiates. I'm not going to wait around forever to love myself so I can have a perfect relationship. I really don't care, I would like to share myself with someone and love someone and that is a very healthy thing. This summer was wonderful and really the only reason it didn't work out is because she moved away. I was detoxing back then much worse than I am now. But yeah I get it, I'm not good enough for them. I'm much more than emotionally unstable and it just goes to show how much stigma there is around mental illness these days. I'm not going to quit drugs and magically get better, in fact there is nothing whatsoever I can do, no matter how healthy a lifestyle I can live, to be that way as I have been traumatized. I typically meet the weirdo of the bunch and we end up relating and helping each other because only crazy type girls have been interested in me and that's fine by me because a lot of the time I hate people. I disagree with what you're saying, I don't feel that I need to be perfect when I can just be myself and work through things when issues arise. and this will be my final post, there is nothing left for me on a drug site when I don't really need to learn anything else about drugs. It's just making me think about them more, and no offence but you don't know me so I can't really take your advice when I'm horny as hell and have fun meeting people and I'm not going to sit around and wait a day until I'm 40 to enjoy that aspect of my life. I am much happier in a relationship than not, so why would I not pursue one if I meet someone that I really like. There is no getting right for everyone, and I will never be happy with myself. I don't care, I still deserve to be with someone I have suffered from loneliness for long enough and it fucks my head up.
 
Alright man, just trying to help. You're right, I don't know you, only what you've displayed here and in private conversations with me. It was just my perspective on what I saw. I totally understand about leaving Bluelight too, it's a huge trigger for me to think about drugs. Best of luck. <3
 
Hey guys,

I hope everyone is doing alright. Sending lots of support and love to you all.
I was able to get my prescriptions and I feel much better. I'm not going to screw it up this month. Hopefully!
Going a couple days without is sheer hell for me. I must say that the loperamide worked really good though.
40 mg held me over for almost two days. I take 75 mg a day of MS Contin. So, that is good to know for anyone out there who is suffering for a few days between prescriptions.

I have heard of people using loperamide to get off heroin and other opiates with. They take a large dose initially, enough to barely hold them and taper down slowly from there. I think that would really work. You would have to really stick to tapering the loperamide as fast as is comfortable. Could be done that way though with minimal discomfort.

Shroomy, I hope you check in and let us know you are okay my friend. Lots of people do care about you here and you need some support with this. No matter what you choose to do, it is good to have some support and nobody is judging you here. We are all just trying to help one another the best we can. I understand about being lonely. Chronic pain has made my life so much different.
I think we should continue to seek human contact and enjoyment with the opposite sex. If that is helping you then I am all for it.
I know it is helping me! I'm having a great romance and it is helping so much.

Keep up the good work everyone. Do whatever is working for you. Don't knock yourself if you have some steps taken backwards.
Just keep on going. Hang in there everyone. Enjoy the good things in life. I don't like to dwell on the "addict" label.
We all have reasons why we require pain medications. Don't worry about anyone else's judgement. No one has walked in your shoes.
Those who understand get it. Forgive yourself and keep moving forward.
 
Thanks, well that coke binge fucked my head up so bad, my body and mind that I reached out for my perc script. Two days was enough to start withdrawals again so I am running with it now. 4 days alter, and I'm still not right from a weekend of coke abuse. My brain still feels fried, I haven't been able to think logically or clearly or at all for days. I have felt, for lack of better word, mentally retarded. Nothing was working out anyway and I'd get some more coke if I had the money and start doing them both. Coke to be social, opiates to cushion the horrific crash. So, trying to quit has only left me with another hardcore drug habit. I blow through through lines pretty fast and I better find a job soon to pay for that shit. I used to mix lines of coke and heroin together and I'd really enjoy one of those right now. Fires my mind up with constructive energy when I'm otherwise staring at a wall.
 
Keep up the good work everyone. Do whatever is working for you. Don't knock yourself if you have some steps taken backwards.
Just keep on going. Hang in there everyone. Enjoy the good things in life. I don't like to dwell on the "addict" label.
We all have reasons why we require pain medications. Don't worry about anyone else's judgement. No one has walked in your shoes.
Those who understand get it. Forgive yourself and keep moving forward.

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Sorry man. <3 I hope you don't check out and you make another attempt. I suffered for 10 years, and finally had my turning point, so it's possible even if you suffer for 3 more. If you're considering killing yourself, might I recommend that you attempt an ibogaine flood dose before that? That was really the thing that got me turned around after reaching my lowest point (generally right after I attempted and partially succeeded in quitting was when I would drop to an even lower point because I'd hate myself more). You don't need to be able to afford a clinic, if you get some and have a good sitter you can do it at home for a small fraction of the cost.

You gotta try to move out of the victim mentality man. You can change your life one thing at a time. You can even do it while you're addicted to opiates and benzos. Being addicted is better than offing yourself, no doubt about that. It also might be better than being in intense, chronic pain from your spine. If you can find a dose of things where you're stable, you can perhaps address the ruin of your life (as you put it) one thing at a time. Then over time things will improve for you and one day you'll look back on this time and say, "damn, good thing I kept trying, because life is pretty sweet". I guess when it comes down to it, even though drugs have made things worse for you, it sounds like there are more important things to address first. If it's too hard to deal with them sober, go ahead and deal with them not sober.

Anyway I'm only saying this stuff because I hate to see you feel this way and I care. I don't know you that well or anything but I do feel a connection to you nevertheless because of Bluelight and some conversations we've had recently. It's damn near impossible to see the world outside of your own emotional bubble, but things CAN get better. Death is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. Even if that problem doesn't FEEL temporary. Hell it took me until age 31 to turn my shit around, I was sure I was fucked, that it was too late, that I'd be suffering forever, and I daily wished I'd get hit by a bus or something. But now I'm the happiest and most content I've ever been. Despite being so sure I wanted to die back then, it would have been a horrible tragedy if I had, because I have so much more life ahead and it looks better and better. Some of my best life experiences have been between then and now. My absolute best relationship, that I have ever had or can even imagine, is happening now. I used to wish I could be a kid again, but finally I don't feel that way anymore. It just took incremental steps. When I sat there feeling sorry for myself, I gave away all my power and self-respect. You can get it back but it won't just happen, you have to make it happen.

Identify issues in your life causing you pain or disappointment. Pick one. Do something about it. Then pick another, and do something about it. Ignore the rest until one thing is dealt with. It will give you a purpose and breaking it into small steps makes it manageable.

<3
 
I have a gram of ibogaine, and 3 grams of ibogaine TAE. However, when I microdosed the stuff (like 100mg) it awakened me to horrific memories that I have as a child. That stuff is really powerful and it scares me a bit. DMT is my favourite but for now psychedelics are on hold, I'm too unstable these days and wouldn't want to have a bad experience when every one of my many DMT trips have been phenomenal and even leaving me wanting to hit the rig an hour later haha.

Hey dude, again it's like you kind of read my mind but you may not be in highest spirits to hear this. I have found a happy medium for myself. I suffered withdrawals for a couple days after the 4 day obscene binge. I'm taking 30mg IR oxycodone (just a normal dose for my tolerance, energy and analgesia) at 8pm every night now but nothing whatsoever before and I'm actually having productive days with no withdrawals apart from some serious morning restless legs. I can ignore that stuff though, focussing on it just amplifies the symptoms and they are not too bad to be ignored at this dose. I'm reading through my favourite book (Diary of a Drug Fiend by Crowley) and flying through it today. I have restless legs and aches and pains but it the important thing is I feel that I have spirit and a soul. I don't feel that emptiness which sabotages my potential. More like a mild alcohol hangover, and I stopped smoking pot habitually, saving a couple spliffs to smoke after I take my oxy's at 8pm (it has to be that time, it is a strict rule). So, the cannabis is helping me too because when I smoke it abusively like that (chain smoking joints) I lose the ability to remember my dreams or even have them, among other negative side effects.

I feel like I have found a happy medium. I have too much going on right now, that I can't handle being completely sober but I can certainly realize through awareness that abusing opiates anymore than one decent dose at night (that allows me to sleep and eat healthy too) is just going to be detrimental right now. I'm doing a lot better than when I cold turkeyed because I have that relief to look forward to, even if it can't go on forever.

And you are right. I have more important things to deal with than drugs before I deal with the drugs, but I can't deal with those things without the drugs. So I found the middle way. I send out all of my job applications when I'm high at night, for example. I save all my most important priorities for after 8pm until I go to bed around midnight or 1.

I know what you are saying about the connection dude because what you are advising me to do, is what I am more or less doing. I'm dealing with one thing at a time and the first step is certainly not a relationship, it is a job. I'm applying to both jobs in my field and regular old part time ones. I would be happy with anything and when I get hired it will be a huge accomplishment. Thanks for the advice because you are reminding me of what my plans are, or putting them in slightly different words. I don't plan on killing myself. If I did, I wouldn't mention it to a soul. I sometimes feel that way, especially coming off that 4 days opiate binge was hell. I've been up since 6am and it's 2:30 and sure I've had cravings but I know that I just won't use until 8pm. It's kind of a taper in that sense, but I'm not lowering my dose. I need the high and the relief, at least for a few hours, and withdrawals have been very mild and bearable.

When something isn't working, I try something different. Thanks again and I do feel that connection too buddy it seems like we have been through some similar experiences or you wouldn't understand :)

And just an edit, I'm not using my opioids to deal with my chronic pain because they simply don't work after so many years for that. Also, when I use a drug once in a day I have a proclivity to continue to use it for the remainder of the day. If I use opiates continuously they simply stop working, the duration shortens from around 6 hours to 2 hours and withdrawals kick in hard (those suicidal ones). I cannot do that anymore. I still have my extended release pain meds cancelled because that is what escalated my tolerance without even getting me high. I'm looking for a quick hit at the end of the day, weed and oxy for 4 to 6 hours of being the most productive person I can be (and having the relief from chronic pain before I go to bed, more enjoyment out of life, and so I can practice my yoga asanas which helps with the pain, and send out really well thought out cover letters as oxy helps me concentrate). When I get pain during the day, I have a turmeric supplement I take that works really well. So far, it's working out great. Even if I am abusing my script, or it could be interpreted that way, it's my way of dealing with all the stuff going on.

You know when you smoke so much weed your eyes don't even get red anymore? No munchies or anything? Not even a shift in consciousness? And it just feels like a total waste of weed, this is even worse with oxy I find. If I use too much, I'm paying to be in more pain and not even get high, rather paying to squander my spirit. Well, when I take opioids more than once a day something similar happens (or any drug, all positive effects are lost... except maybe dmt haha). I lose the itchy/scratchy feeling, my pupils don't even get pinned, I don't get anywhere near as much pain relief, the duration of the high is a third as long, and then I just want more and blow through my supply until I don't have any more. The diminishing returns that come with any drug apply to opiates as well, and that is why I am against extended release for myself, and save my instant release pills for the end of the day. That way, when I am coming down and want more I just go to sleep and wake up in mild withdrawal that I can handle with a few cups of coffee and several health supplements, and a healthy vegetarian breakfast. The dose isn't high enough that it is soul-stealing. Needs to be 80mg daily or more for that in my case. I'm talking about being an empty shell of my former self, unable and unwilling to do anything at all, completely crippled and debilitated by depression... this isn't happening now, it's called using the drugs to my advantage and we'll see if I can handle it for the next little while. The consequences of regular use are so severe (even if I spread out that 30mg over the day, I'd be fucked), and the mild physical withdrawals don't bother me so long as I have my spirit. I'm not sitting around waiting to get high at night either - today I'm reading my book, yesterday I was out at the farm trimming dope, it's worth it for me right now to be mildly sick during the day because it keeps me from freaking out all the time and losing my shit. It's nice to feel the effects of the drug as well that I am supposed to feel, as opposed to not even detecting a shift in consciousness, rendering it completely useless to even take them unless it is to avoid withdrawal. Also, this is helping me a lot learn to deal with cravings as I have them periodically throughout the day and refuse to give in because every time I redose opiates a few times I get in that dangerous suicidal state that normally just isn't a problem at all.
 
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