If Trump wins any optimistic projections in this thread will have to be moved back by at least 4 years. Sadly, that is a worldview, not just an American one just cause the U.S. has meddled in everything on a worldwide scale. I don't want to entirely condemn the role of the United States in the world but when you take a guy like Trump who is furiously capitalistic, overtly xenophobic and cerebrally incapacitated and put him into a role the U.S has for better or worse taken on in the world stage, it is hard to see that playing out well. we're talking low hanging fruit here guys, so it ain't worth spending brain cycles thinking of clever arguments to debate this. Of course, some people want to protect their right to laugh at crippled kids on a public stage without being silenced, and some people have certainly gone overboard in that respect, but to retaliate with Trump is idiocy.