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Shroomy I think you're kidding yourself that you can take oxy and have it not be a relapse. I'm very familiar with this level of kidding yourself as well. Just remember man, you're just prolonging feeling better.

In my experience abstinence is a sham, anyone who tells you otherwise (including myself) is lying.
We all have our vices. Hell, would you prefer trying to get your knocks out of gambling because you promised yourself no oxy this year?
I don't think so :)
Love,
Tez
 
Shroomy, I think you should really consider having a family member give you a daily dosage of medication. This will keep you from having to continue to go through these harsh up's and down's. Give yourself a chance at stability and chronic pain control/management. It takes awhile of taking the opiates at the prescribed dosage to build up in your system and give you a lot better pain relief and will keep you level. Even makes you feel good and high too!

I got my medication today and took out a days dosage and handed them over to my mom to give to me everyday. I can't handle these sharp up's and down's. I feel much better when I stay stable on my medications. I have been using exercise, meditation, and just plain old positive thinking and have been making progress with those things.

I took 20 mg loperamide this morning before I went to the doctor but now I am going to just try and cut that out completely.
I have not used nearly as much of that as I usually do when in opiate withdrawal so I am hoping I won't have too many issues coming off that. I think I should be alright with 75 mg MS Contin covering any withdrawal from week or so use of loperamide.
 
for many years it was always, "next refill i'll spread out doses evenly" always a lie. self discipline is hard enough, with drugs minutes turn to hours and my mind says it is outlandish to wait. even when more just makes you sick... depressing.



?The only winning move is not to play?
War Games 1983. Quote from the WOPR computer.
Seems to me the best way to avoid a relapse is to avoid it completely.

amen dude. i have this desire to be high on life spreading peace and love sober af. recall statistic on how many people relapse over 90 percent .. 95 ? i remember trippin on larry og goin thru wd thinking of the screwtape letters thinking i'm lucky i wasn't stupid and killed myself, which would of been a "spectacular wickedness" at the time.
 
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Some people can go to a Casino and spend a few bucks and go home. I get sweaty just thinking about a blackjack table. So I avoid Casinos, always.
When I drank everyday I would be sure to have plenty of booze in the house when I got home from work. If there wasn?t enough, I was guaranteed to be driving to the store later - DRUNK.
If you?re going to be dumb enough to be addicted, then at least be smart enough to know you?re an addict. People?s lives fall apart when they make a daily denial to themselves. Life sucks a little more as an addict, but it?s way worse as an addict in denial.
 
Some people can go to a Casino and spend a few bucks and go home. I get sweaty just thinking about a blackjack table. So I avoid Casinos, always.
When I drank everyday I would be sure to have plenty of booze in the house when I got home from work. If there wasn?t enough, I was guaranteed to be driving to the store later - DRUNK.
If you?re going to be dumb enough to be addicted, then at least be smart enough to know you?re an addict. People?s lives fall apart when they make a daily denial to themselves. Life sucks a little more as an addict, but it?s way worse as an addict in denial.


Preach !!!
 
Ah guys! You are all good people.
I'm sure glad I have you friends here. You are good friends. <3

All we can do is pray for shroomy.
I'm worried for him.
 
ROFL Squeaky!! LO fucking L!

Happy to see you are in good spirits my friend!
Keep those spirits high as they will help you through this surgery. I have high hopes and wishes for you to be pain-free!

Laughter is the best medicine!

Ps: you were not kidding about the de-constipation after coming off loperamide.
This message is brought to you from the bathroom! :)
 
Hello everyone, I wanted to provide an update on my opiate detox.Day 5 - did housework and left the house for the first time. Felt pretty good but still weak and fatigued; insomnia continues.Days 6 & 7 - energy gradually improving but still fatigued; insomnia continues.Day 8 - diarrhea came back - took 4 mg loperamide; insomnia continues.Days 9 & 10 - still very fatigued but sleeping a little betterDay 11 - got out of the house and did some volunteering. Days 12 & 13 - uneventful, sleeping a little better but not back to normal (can sleep 6-7 hrs total but it is choppy intervals so it takes 9.5 hrs of lying in bed to get that much sleep).Day 14 - I woke up with this horrible feeling of dread that this is as good as my life gets now. It is really hard to put into words what I felt. It was not like depression or anxiety but almost as if I can feel how the neurotransmitters are out of whack. Also frustration that I have now been reduced to taking Lyrica for my chronic pain, a drug that has so many horrible side effects compared to opiates, but the DEA has ruined that for many honest chronic pain patients. I feel like the government just wants to purge society of the weak by getting us all off of opiates and put us on Lyrica, which makes me feel like a zombie, a shell of my normal self. Needless to say, I used yesterday (snorted 1.25 mg Methadone). I know I am definitely one that is physically and psychologically dependent on opiates. I was able to successfully taper over 2 months and beat the physical w/ds. But the mental aspect when the physical pains are gone and the beast inside wakes up will convince you to use. After I tapered, I had about 60 pills left, which I kept in case I needed them for surgeries, dental work, etc. I am disgusted with myself that I used not for physical pain but the psychic pain inside that lingers as well as not being able to sleep hard for one night. I have not slept hard since I began my taper on 11/8 and sleep deprivation will drive one mad! And I've been taking Ambien every night as prescribed and still can't sleep that great but am grateful I have it. Needless to say, I did sleep pretty good last night but still not the same as when I was using higher doses of opiates. I slept for 9 hrs total - feel asleep on couch for 1 hr, went to bed and slept 5 more hrs before waking, then 2 more hrs and 1 last hour).Day 15 (or Day 1 depending how you look at it) - I feel refreshed and optimistic today but still not back to 100%. I am not at all worried about w/d from 1.25 mg Methadone (equal to 5 MME - 1/8 of a 10 mg Methadone pill, a chip left over from taper) I took yesterday. That was less than when I jumped (7.5 MME).In addition to taking Ambien for sleep, I continue to take Lyrica 150 mg twice per day as prescribed for my chronic pain. It makes me feel like I have been drinking, very forgetful, balance issues and blurred vision - these side effects are greatly reduced from when I began taking Lyrica about 6 weeks ago. I must say though, Lyrica has been great for my pain - despite the side effects, I have never felt pain relief for such an extended period of time. Opiates would bring my pain level down quick to say a 1/10 but would only last a couple of hours. Lyrica takes a couple hours to work so it doesn't give that rapid pain relief, but it provides pain relief of say 3/10 for about 8-12 hrs. I also use MM, mostly in the evenings now (shatter, dabs, vape cartridges, vaping plant material, and some good ole' chronic, OG kush, heavy, dank bud in joints). I'm nervous about going back to work for the first time after this journey! I was on top of my game before and worried that I will not be as good now without the opiates (state dependent learning). I was hoping I could be one of those people that does this successfully and beats it to give hope to others, but I felt like it was more important to be honest. The struggle continues. Thanks for listening.- SweetLeaf7
 
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FnX, I wish you well in overcoming your withdrawal experience and well wishes to everyone else too. I am doing okay... I made it over 2 weeks then took 80mg extended release today. My back has been killing me and I haven't had the greatest start to the new year. I wouldn't call it a relapse, I was sick of feeling like shit and I can't afford to have a habit right now so that was it. Paying my bills and important stuff, healthy foods, tea, and stuff before drugs for once. But yeah I got fed up after about 2 and a half weeks that I was still depressed, so I got high. I stopped tripping. I tripped for a really long time. When I stopped, I slept for about an entire day. I have felt fine ever since. Trying to keep positive. My friend from Europe is hanging out with me for a second time today, the first time was the day I got my triple conch piercings. So, that should be really great, I have not been around a friend in about 2 weeks. My brother might be stopping by too, come to think of it. I need good friends around and social support like keeping in touch with and being kind to my brother and sister or I can't get clean, I find. That 80mg extended release floored me, though. It's nice not to feel like shit but I'm not interested in being a junkie anymore. Cold turkey as most of you likely know, is sheer hell - I might start taking 5mg extended release every 12 hours, in fact. That wouldn't be enough for me to notice any sort of high, and then I am taking less than prescribed and it would ease the withdrawals without me noticing, and possible give me a touch of pain relief. It's hard for me to get through as many yoga classes as I'd like to. Well, I am in a lot of pain generally speaking all the time - I guess I'm just used to it by now, so used to it that I forget what it's like to live without chronic pain. The thought of it sounds amazing. I'm limited in what I can do. I think it is a good time to stop psychedelics for a while being the new year and all but I will definitely keep smoking dmt once in a while, whenever my friends want to, really. That one is a splendid experience, and great for times when I'm feeling low. Pretty psyched to see my friend today! Life should get better for me, and my two works friends will be back from vacation soon. That will help, both of them are amazing new friends so I've been missing them. This dude I'm chilling with later today is one of my best friends, all the way back from the highschool stoner forest, skateboard and snowboard crew aight so we're probably going to hit some dmt and well that will be perhaps 30 minutes of our time together. We have conversations that are highly intriguing to each other and we like to hang out just us, we talk about a lot of inside joke type stuff that nobody else but us would get wtf we are talking about. Kind of like how I freestyle rhyme with my other good friend. I'd like a cute girlfriend though :_ (I hope I can get my life together, generally speaking. Was a good time to stop tripping daily. I switched to dabbing shatter so my lungs should clear out all the tar and stuff from the weed smoke, too. And yeah Squeaky dude I was going to say something to ya but now I forget man. Yeah dude cold turkey withdrawal is sheer hell especially in the later stages when the symptoms lessen. At that point it has been going on for so long that I find the body and mind become exhausted and very irritable. I used today out of sheer boredom. I have felt dead inside for over 2 weeks despite being highly active (the withdrawal wasn't THAT bad this time... it has still been sheer hell) - anyways, gonna write in my journal about what a bad idea relapsing would be. I don't consider a single use a relapse. I consider two consecutive days of using a relapse though, personally, as that is what it iakes to give me serious withdrawals to contend with.
Hey Shroomy, I feel your pain. I just got a rig for vaping plant material medical marijuana to help my lungs. Thought I'd mention it since it is supposed to be healthier and I know you are into staying healthy.Also, you mentioned you have burning chronic pain. I take Lyrica now for my burning chronic pain and it really helps. It has many more side effects than opiates but it does work on burning pain and damaged nerves. It is def not an opiate high but it does something.Peace,SweetLeaf7
 
Hi all, I’m new here. I’m facing a choice as to start a long taper from 30mg 3 times a day of OxyContin, plus 40 mg a day of Oxycodone, all prescribed by pain Mgmt. But to be honest, I’ve been on that same dose for 3 years, and 3 months ago my pain was too much and my PM dr wouldn’t increase my dose despite my tolerance, so I started buying extra Oxy off the street. (This was all prescribed for an autoimmune disease I was diagnosed with 3 years ago that eventually disabled me).so the actual amount in my system is higher.So now I’m trying to decide if I want to do a long taper, but I don’t think I have the ability to stick to the schedule, or do a faster withdrawal and ask the Dr for meds to help the side effects. I have some meds that would helptge withdrawal now, a little gabapentin, 6 pills of Valium, kratom, 2 bottles of hydroxyzine, but no clonodine. If you could get any drug to help with Opiate withdrawals, what would you ask for? (I don’t want methadone or suboxone tho).And any advice for the side effects meds on the faster withdrawal schedule, or advice in general is welcome.I’m so impressed by the knowledge and kindness of this forum. You all are awesome. I’m lucky to have found this place!
Hi Kismet, I was on opiates for 17 years and tapered from 90 morphine milligram equivalents/day over approx. 2 months (combination of morphine, oxy & methadone) so you can do this. I dropped every week by 17-25% of my dose and jumped on 1 Percocet per day. The DEA shut down my PM doc in Oct and my previous PM doc lost his license so I was tired of being a slave and saw the writing on the wall - they are getting all non-cancer chronic pain patients off opiates! They always say have an exit plan if you are going to be taking daily opiates. I had some old clonidine but did not need to use any. I used 150 mg of Lyrica per day in one dose to help me taper - it is good for anxiety and nerve pain. Gabapentin is the same but not as potent - I think Lyrica is 4 times stronger so if you take an equivalent dose that should help with w/d. The meds you have seem to be pretty good comfort meds IMHO. I would definitely taper over cold turkey any day! I hope you are doing well. Please keep us updated. There are good people on this forum that can provide support as well.- SweetLeaf7
 
Reply to quote from herbavore, Senior Mod, on 1/5/18 (now the quote button is not working for me, ugh): "I love all the peer support in this thread. The whole big old world is falling apart at the seams but the Bluelight population has heart and could show the world a thing or two about compassion. Big hugs to everyone in this thread (and a really big one to Poke for starting it)."P0kemama is legend!! Hugs to all!!-SweetLeaf7
 
In deep thought...I wonder if many of us have underlying issues of our psyche and that is why opiates are so attractive, because they numb us...Now that the opiates are gone, the psychic pain is revealed and is angry like a flaming hemorrhoid. It is not so much depression or anxiety but rather a spiritual emptiness. Does anyone else suffer from this once tapering off opiates?
 
One of the positives for me with an opiate taper and subsequent w/d is weight loss. Bathroom trips make me light as a feather, LOFL (wink, wink)! And my appetite has not returned, which is good since I heard Lyrica makes you gain weight. I want to lose as much as I can before going back up. It also helps my back and knees to not be carrying so much weight. I just hope this isn't the beginning of an eating disorder because it has almost become like an obsession to not eat more than 1400-1600 calories/day, because I love the way I look now and actually want to get back out there and date again! I would typically eat 2200 cal/day while on opiates. Opiates made food taste better and a heavy, fatty meal would intensify the rush. While on opiates, BMI was 25.3 (slightly overweight) and now BMI is 22.9. Now all my "skinny" for me clothes fit, clothes that I haven't worn in almost 10 years! Trying to look on the bright side. :)
 
In deep thought...I wonder if many of us have underlying issues of our psyche and that is why opiates are so attractive, because they numb us...Now that the opiates are gone, the psychic pain is revealed and is angry like a flaming hemorrhoid. It is not so much depression or anxiety but rather a spiritual emptiness. Does anyone else suffer from this once tapering off opiates?

I think this is definitely one of the primary reasons people become addicted to opiates. I think our society does not make it easy to feel spiritually fulfilled. I've been able to find my own meaning and ability to feel fulfilled, through nature, through relationships, through helping people, and through music, but I had to work for it. As a result though, I don't even think about doing opiates anymore, it's no longer a struggle for me and hasn't been for years.
 
I think this is definitely one of the primary reasons people become addicted to opiates. I think our society does not make it easy to feel spiritually fulfilled. I've been able to find my own meaning and ability to feel fulfilled, through nature, through relationships, through helping people, and through music, but I had to work for it. As a result though, I don't even think about doing opiates anymore, it's no longer a struggle for me and hasn't been for years.
Thank you, Xorkoth. I truly hope that I can find that place after putting in the hard work. You are an inspiration!- SweetLeaf7
 
I'm sorry to hear you are still struggling and having trouble sleeping SweetLeaf and yes, I agree with your observation and Xorkoth's response. Nature, music, and adapting your own ways to become still and to know ourselves. We cannot neglect this part of ourselves or we suffer greatly.
There is something missing in this rat race society. A huge part of us is missing. It is our spirituality. Our very soul is hurting.
We live in very un-natural circumstances now days and we are feeling that loss greatly.

I was hoping it was possible to switch over from opiates to the medical marijuana. I'm not counting that out yet.
Yes, we would rather hear the truth as we are all struggling with this.

You have made great progress! I like that you want to get out and date again very much. Having love in our lives really is a huge help.
You have my support no matter what sister. I'm cheering you onward!
 
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