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The News Thread v. Your Penises Are Too Large And It's All Our Fault

Squirting protest, Westminster, Monday --> http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/london-kink-olympics-protest

n Monday the 17th of October, civil liberties campaigners, porn producers and protesters will stage a demonstration over the Digital Economy Bill – currently past its second reading in parliament – which has serious implications for internet freedom. The event has been organised by feminist pornographer Pandora Blake and obscenity lawyer Myles Jackman, and isn't going to look much like your average protest.

Face sitting protest 2014 --> http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/facesitting-protest-london-495

Some sex acts still got banned --> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/a-long-list-of-sex-acts-just-got-banned-in-uk-porn-9897174.html

Minor victory for spankers --> http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...website-in-landmark-ruling-anti-a7067006.html
 

Interesting, but without any academic knowledge in this area or access to the actual study it just seems like simple logic to me. Massive amounts of heroin 'helped' with my depression massively in the short term so I cannot see why titchy crumbs of bupe wouldn't have at least some of this effect.

The only issue is once your no longer able to use opiates or opioids to get stoned where ones depression / suicidal ideation magically (kazam!) starts to manifest again. Wonder why that is.....
 
Saw this in the current issue of 'New Scientist':

Kratom ban rethink is a hint of sanity in failed US war on drugs
Public opposition has seen a proposed ban on the medicinal leaf kratom dropped for now. Criminalising it would have been madness, says Marc Swogger

Andrzej Krauze
WHEN the US Drug Enforcement Administration announced plans to criminalise the sale and possession of the psychoactive plant kratom, people across the country became interested in a leaf used medicinally for centuries in parts of Asia.

What the DEA did not seem to know is that hundreds of thousands of people in the US were already taking it to relieve pain and as a substitute for opiates and other drugs.

Kratom, related to the coffee plant, provides a caffeine-like energy boost at low doses and has opiate-like effects at higher doses, although it isn't an opiate.

In 2015, I led a study of people's experiences with kratom. Reports were largely positive: besides pain relief and success in quitting drugs such as opiates, it gave a sense of well-being and relaxation, and increased empathy and sociability. A minority reported negative effects, such as nausea, vomiting, dizziness, chills and sweats. About 10 per cent mentioned withdrawal symptoms, mostly relatively mild.

Reviewing the literature, we read anecdotal reports of serious adverse effects coinciding with kratom use, including deaths involving use of multiple drugs. But the evidence is too sketchy to definitively link kratom with serious harm.

The DEA wanted to put kratom on a fast track to criminalisation, without seeking public comment. Nonetheless, comment ensued. Thousands wrote to politicians, petitioned the White House and talked to the media about what they saw as an infringement of the right to use a plant that helps them. Researchers expressed dismay that research into kratom's medical uses could be crippled.

My colleagues and I could only shake our heads at the insanity of the move. In a land that jails more people than any other, with consequences that include ruined lives and children growing up without parents, we choose to criminalise this.

In a country with an opiate-dependence epidemic, we try to remove a tool that people successfully use to quit opiates, and one they take for pain relief instead of hard drugs. In a country that has suffered in a costly and ineffective "war on drugs", we extend that war to a new substance and a new group of people, potentially worsening public health crises. It seemed cruel and irresponsible.

Then something amazing happened. The DEA listened. It withdrew its plan, citing public opposition, and sought comment from doctors and scientists.

The agency has long insisted, despite much evidence, that cannabis has no medical use. Does this uncharacteristic reversal over kratom signal it is giving a higher priority to facts? Let us all hope that it proves a positive development in the long, sad story of US drug policy.

This article appeared in print under the headline "A ban too far"
 
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fubars kratom post...

Aye - been following the panic and subsequent relief on the American and other forums.

They started this fucking drugs ban shit, and now they are doing 180's all over the place (weed, now kratom...) while we just accelerate in the opposite direction, banning drugs that don't even exist in case they may in the future :X
 
Interesting, but without any academic knowledge in this area or access to the actual study it just seems like simple logic to me. Massive amounts of heroin 'helped' with my depression massively in the short term so I cannot see why titchy crumbs of bupe wouldn't have at least some of this effect.

The only issue is once your no longer able to use opiates or opioids to get stoned where ones depression / suicidal ideation magically (kazam!) starts to manifest again. Wonder why that is.....

Bupe has been studied for depression and was found to be significantly more effective than SSRIs. That was for chronic rather than acute depression. As I recall ketamine has been found to be especially useful for acute depression in a number of studies.

PS: That kratom thing is excellent news. Definitely a promising sign as regards saner drug policies.
 
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Bupe has been studied for depression and was found to be significantly more effective than SSRIs.

No shit. I've never suffered from clinical depression, but I think SSRI's are now slowly but surely getting less popular as their efficacy in treating not only reactive or chronic depression, but also anxiety - (gps have slung them in that direction as a 'get out' from providing even short term, low dose scripts for benzodiazepines for about 20 years now) is now being seen as questionable at least.

Even with dangerously depressed folk (clinical, psychotic or as part of an effective disorder) - we never really bothered with them at work and with regards to atypical prescribing, the docs would usually go for an SNRI, usually venlafaxine in extreme cases, or mirtazepine (NaSSA) as they also offer some sedation, something that is truly missing in the standard SSRI's (which in both anxiety and certain cases of depression usually make one feel worse before they start to feel better).

I know that my original reply to this came across as sarky but it wasn't intended to be - potent opioids are certain to make >90% of folk feel better in the short term, and I suppose the safest way to do this is to use the one decent option we have for this that can be delivered in minute doses. I'd say that any patients, even if treated long term like this, would have no problem at the cessation of treatment PROVIDED that they do not have prior history of substance dependence. There is alot of stuff to suggest that many morphine patients are able to quite violently withdraw from the treatment once it is no longer needed, and are much more able to 'shrug off' the opiate wd syndrome as nothing more than a discontinuation of treatment feature, as they have not developed that psychological association between re - dosing and wd relief.
 
I think SSRI's are now slowly but surely getting less popular as their efficacy in treating not only reactive or chronic depression, but also anxiety - (gps have slung them in that direction as a 'get out' from providing even short term, low dose scripts for benzodiazepines for about 20 years now) is now being seen as questionable at least.

Yeah it really is unfortunate. I know a few people who started out being given Sertraline for anxiety and have now progressed on to Citalopram as their diagnosis has changed to depression. The kicker is that they're now being given scripts of diazepam to take with their SSRIs :\
 
I know - it's totally backwards. If the gp's would just give out 2 - 3 weeks worth of diazepam when starting folk on SSRI's (it is actually indicated due to the stimulating / anxiety provoking effects that this class of a/d's can have while patients get used to them) - then they would be able to both deal with these symptoms directly and tolerate the effects of the ssri better increasing the chances of good efficacy, compliance (and generally leaves the patients where they can continue treatment without the need for further diazepam / anxiolysis).
 
I really like that idea Stee. Sadly, you know they'd hate the idea at all of giving out Diaz even if it is best for the patient. It would only be short term as you say and I do feel there would be a real benefit for the patient there.

In other news


LSD in the news
 
Why has it taken nearly 80 years for this to become news?

Because people are morons and the government in association with big Pharma wouldn't want this to be a thing. That's the short simplistic answer for you. Feel free to elaborate further. Everyone has their own thoughts on the subject. I find it interesting to hear other peoples views when it comes to "drugs" treatments.
 
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