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The Methamphetamine Megathread

Tis a double edged sword for sure.. always wished it was about more but also was kinda glad it wasn't..
 
No offence but DS_ and Cherry, be careful please. It's a wicked head on but I also know you are both cainers, DS in particular you're a speed fiend and from what I know this is the one thing really does have potential to fuck you over. I know you're an experianced drug user, more so than me even, still tread carefully man.
 
Twigs said:
Smoking is better or what do you mean?
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I once made a huge post about how to make a very elaborate device for meth-smoking and some wise arse slammed me down and assured me a light bulb was all you needed. So do that.

And if it has the same economy value as my elaborate bong then yes, a g goes a stupidly, dangerously long way. About 100x more than sniffing it. That's not an exaggeration at all.
 
Tbh the only reason i would consider this drug is cos you can smoke it a la crack . N i would like to find ouit what the rush is like , after that i'd be bored most likely after a few hours and craving some kind of opiate.

So what is the rush like when smoking it then ? Better than decent crack
 
It smokes pretty differently to crack, you use a glass pipe (never even seen one in the uk, think they intended for hash oil) and melt it slowly and roll... The flame should not touch it

Even just 50mg of good meth will last a long time in the pipe and you will get a lot of 'puffs'....

To me is nothin like crack really - I would say the rush is more subtle but leaves you wired a looooong time.

I have dabbled with all the big boys, had a phase of smoking crack in uk after a long time of excessive cocaine use.

Quite frankly I believe meth is an evil drug. Have recently gone through a phase of doing too much. Have slammed it, snorted it and smoked it. Of these I would say smoking is the most insidious - as I said the high is subtle but it really does alter people and change behavioral patterns in a negative way (more so than crack IMO). It is also very addictive and staying up long stretches will fuck most people up in the long run.

I am a firm believer of each to their own etc. and I understand that different people handle things differently. However as said I have tried crack, heroin and meth but meth is the only drug I feel is inherently evil, really. Had some great times on it but reckon has the capacity to ruin people's lives pretty quickly.

Anyhow, rant over! If you do try this just be careful and I would recommend against smoking as an roa (seriously better off whacking it addiction wise IMO).

Good luck ;)

Edit: To answer question on rush - pretty darn nice, best rush I have had was from whacking, reckon you gotta have a decent smoking technique to get it that way. Whacking the rush for me goes straight to the groin area and you jus wanna fick like a porn star. Body tingles etc. smoking seems to give more head / back of neck tingles
Oxy at the tail end is paradise also....
 
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SHM
I once made a huge post about how to make a very elaborate device for meth-smoking and some wise arse slammed me down and assured me a light bulb was all you needed. So do that.

And if it has the same economy value as my elaborate bong then yes, a g goes a stupidly, dangerously long way. About 100x more than sniffing it. That's not an exaggeration at all.
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On this we agree. Sniffing meth you go through far more and the effects are nowhere near as euphoric or fun. I ran it off foil which was still wasteful cos my technique was shit but the way you described I remember reading and it would be by far a better way of doing it.

To be honest meth is far less psychosis enducing than PV is, and a far better high than crack.
 
brimz said:
Tbh the only reason i would consider this drug is cos you can smoke it a la crack . N i would like to find ouit what the rush is like , after that i'd be bored most likely after a few hours and craving some kind of opiate.
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I have no reason to doubt this statement. Every serious opiate user I've ever met wouldn't touch speed with a bargepole. :)

neilios said:
frankly I believe meth is an evil drug.
meth is the only drug I feel is inherently evil, really.
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Please...don't. I'm not Christian and I have trouble believing in an inherent morality in anything, let alone a molecule. The more this lie that meth is evil is repeated, the more it will affect the experiences and yes, the psychoses that people have.

Speed psychosis is a severe test of our mental powers, yes. But that's not the same as 'meth is evil'.

I have reason to get on my high-horse about this. A friend committed suicide in a tangled mess of morality involving meth, religion and parental pressure.

Aside from the value judgements I agree with a lot of what you say in that post.
 
When it comes to the best Rush for me it has to be Physepatone/ Cyclazine IV
Or Dicanol IV .
Smoking wise gotta go with proper amonia Crack i'm talkin washed up 60/70 % cocaine done properly not a fukin microwave amateur job.
These are just my opinions.
 
brimz said:
When it comes to the best Rush for me it has to be Physepatone/ Cyclazine IV
Or Dicanol IV .
Smoking wise gotta go with proper amonia Crack i'm talkin washed up 60/70 % cocaine done properly not a fukin microwave amateur job.
These are just my opinions.
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What's a microwave job all about? You got me curious!

More importantly...What does that fucking smell like?!
 
Shm - I understand where you are disagreeing with me but think it might come down to semantics.

I am merely using evil here as a label. I for one am of the persuasion that there is really no good or evil and think that things simply are.

In this case when referring to meth I could well dispense with the label 'evil' and change it to 'huge and real potential to cause massive harm to users, more so than other substances'. Again you might call this a value judgement but by outlining my previous (and ongoing) drug use I would very much like to highlight the fact I am being as objective as possible. Quite frankly in taking meth I could see things going down the pan rapidly, much more so than when I was smoking a fair amount of crack regularly.

Again I do understand and am aware that different substances affect people differently, of course I am sure there are some people that could handle recreational use and keep it that way (I know some although the line with this one is very fucking fine).

Therefore my use of the phrase 'inherently evil' is more a summary of the fact that I think for many people this drug could be pretty bad news. Again not everyone, but many... Before anyone jumps down my throat I would like to state again that I do know recreational users, it is possible just very fucking difficult and rare IMO.

Now with all due respect shm the fact you mentioned this has been implicated in a death surprises me after you defending it as being a safe drug - from what you have said there are clearly other circumstances surrounding this but surely the drug itself played a part?

I also don't quite agree/understand with how the wider view of the drug could affect people's psychoses - can you please elaborate on this point.

And finally the evil part also comes from the fact this was developed by a then nazi pharma company (no source so might be wrong on that point, love useless trivia, but not spreading misinformation so anyone feel free to correct that ;) ) this last point a bit tongue in cheek

Please also excuse poor grammar and punctuation, am sending this from smart phone
 
Neil, the words we use are important.




neilios said:
Now with all due respect shm the fact you mentioned this has been implicated in a death surprises me after you defending it as being a safe drug -
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Where did I say that? (I didn't).

It doesn't have to make your teeth fall out.

Not saying its a drug without problems, of course not, but I don't rank it any worse than pv. At least with meth I know why I'm chasing another hit after being awake 3 days.

Don't want to underplay it because I've seen the shadow side of both, but it ain't the devil the hype makes it out to be. Like crack wasn't, like acid wasn't, like dope wasn't.
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That's what I said.

I for one am of the persuasion that there is really no good or evil and think that things simply are.
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Then we agree. No molecule is evil. So don't say it. Words are important. Because...

I also don't quite agree with how the wider view of the drug and affect people's psychoses - can you please elaborate on this point.
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I think you mean 'how will me labelling it evil affect others?'

Because speed psychosis is a tough fucker. We don't live in a vacuum, we carry ideas around with us. So when degenerating into a psychotic episode it will be just that bit easier to hallucinate the devil and go 'the drug is evil, I'm truly fucked' - and jump off a tall building.

In my experience.

I am merely using evil here as a label.
In this case when referring to meth I could well dispense with the label 'evil' and change it to 'huge and real potential to cause massive harm to users, more so than other substances'.
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Its the emotiveness that's the problem. That sentence is fine if you take out 'huge' 'massive' and probably 'more so than other substances'. Leaving you with

meth has real potential to cause harm to users.

Accuracy, not emotion.

The emotiveness comes, at least in part, and whether you acknowledge it or not, from sensationalist journalism.

It doesn't have to make your teeth fall out.

Not saying its a drug without problems, of course not, but I don't rank it any worse than pv. At least with meth I know why I'm chasing another hit after being awake 3 days.

Don't want to underplay it because I've seen the shadow side of both, but it ain't the devil the hype makes it out to be. Like crack wasn't, like acid wasn't, like dope wasn't.
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You have made some good points here and i agree with some.

As said I am on a smart phone so difficult to scroll up and down and quote bits and pieces...

In summary though I feel that you are being overly sensitive to the use of descriptive words - it does have huge potential to cause harm (if compared to other more benign drugs) and that harm can be massive (I have seen it first hand, it is not pretty, I have known many people who are addicted to coffee, there is harm there but certainly not massive).

When you take these words out the phrase what you are left with could apply to anything.. This is not sensationalistic journalism but descriptive writing. It is only emotive if you let it be. The words used here are merely used to make it relative.

I do no have time to write much more and usually just lurk a little on these boards... I don't come out the woodwork for much.

I smoked crack, it wasn't as bad as all the hype - just go easy

I shot heroin, ok, snorted some also. Smoked a bit. All ok, still here

I tried meth, it was ok and I lived - my teeth didn't fall out!


I done all the above a few times and more. Comparatively and based on my experiences with others I would say that if any of these drugs are dangerous it would be meth.

I do not have much more to add shm, I just want to note my findings and views on this board....

'Anything' has real potential to cause harm to users

You would be naive if you think meth doesn't have more though!
 
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I'm not sure how much my opinion matters here (being a U.S. Bluelighter and all) but this stuff has been around my parts forever...and methamphetamine will ruin you if you don't treat it with serious respect. SERIOUS respect.

Methamphetamine isn't just another stimulant. There is a reason it has so much stigma in the United States.

Please be careful EADDers. If you've had issues with other stimulants in the past, do not go near methamphetamine.
 
NeighborhoodThreat said:
I'm not sure how much my opinion matters here (being a U.S. Bluelighter and all) but this stuff has been around my parts forever...and methamphetamine will ruin you if you don't treat it with serious respect. SERIOUS respect.

Methamphetamine isn't just another stimulant. There is a reason it has so much stigma in the United States.

Please be careful EADDers. If you've had issues with other stimulants in the past, do not go near methamphetamine.
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Weren't planning to...Everyone knows it makes your face melt.


Fact.
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
I think you mean 'how will me labelling it evil affect others?'

Because speed psychosis is a tough fucker. We don't live in a vacuum, we carry ideas around with us. So when degenerating into a psychotic episode it will be just that bit easier to hallucinate the devil and go 'the drug is evil, I'm truly fucked' - and jump off a tall building.
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Had to jump back on in response to this also!

In this hypothetical scenario blaming that person jumping off the building due to people labelling the drug as evil seems at best slightly ludicrous.

Surely in this addled state if they were that influenced by comments then it could be blamed on a number of spurious comments. Like the time someone called them ugly in jest or said their mum was fat.

Quite frankly in his scenario I would mainly blame their neurochemistry and/or the substance at play. Perhaps a number of other factors I.e. genetics, nurture, socioeconomic factors, society as a whole etc. etc.

If it was someone calling the drug evil then didn't they have a point in the first place? The logic seems a little contradictory, perhaps also a bit sensationalistic.

Also IMO meth isn't toooo bad when it comes to psychosis, sleep dep always is though...

Again shm with all due respect have you lived outside of the uk in communities that have been adversely affected by meth?

I am British born n bred and have visited uk crack houses.

Also live in places outside uk where meth has been a problem.

My opinions are based on these experiences. Meth is the ONLY drug where the negative hype has come anywhere close to my experiences.

Also hitler took it and it will make you face melt.
 
I didn't find meth to be as addictive as its hyped to be - sure its amazing, and when you're up you want to keep dosing, but there comes a point. And the comedown is brutal, call me a pussy but unless you carry on binging till you actually die (from your face melting ;)), at one point you have to come down. And then you really really don't want to even see it IME. But maybe I'm just soft. And for the record never seen it in the UK, this is in Asia and I only had it available for a few weeks, can't say what it would be like to have unlimited access to it. Probably very wanky. You all know what I mean.
 
HA.

Welcome to the world of Meth EADD.

Judging by the amount stimulants are abused over there...

You guys are fucked.
 
JSPete said:
What's a microwave job all about? You got me curious!

More importantly...What does that fucking smell like?!
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A quick crap way of preparing crack with bi carb that is done when people wanna make ££ quickly .

Not nice the crack will taste nasty away a bit like soap n you will be able to tell straight, it;s kinda like a re press you get me ?
 
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