So this is how it ends huh?
horrifically cliché as it may sound it's more of a new beginning; those of you who don't like the terms will have a multitude of options opened to you, I'm more than sure; I may even accompany you in some, but without any pretense to being a voice of authority that I have here.
you all, however, dare I say we all, as people who have participated in and made friends from TL, will have a space, it just may be a different one.
events for a long time have seen TL drifting away from what is necessarily acceptable on BL on a number of fronts; but certain events in particular have had even me, by no means a proponent of boot on the neck political correctness, truly aghast.
There's gonna be some changes made, &c.
I'm quite sure you don't mean this, especially made. If you think this is Sumter, let's hope we never get to the unimaginably bloody Antietam, and we won't, because this is the Internet, and it's not USENET (I think know you're old enough and tapped I'm enough) or even 4chan or reddit. Not to mention, we're an organization coming in to it's own beyond just being some random druggie forum, but even—we, publicly, can't, and I personally can't, associate ourselves with mockery of the dead when a great portion of our Work, the harm reduction part and the community support part, in the first is to prevent unnecessary, saddening and enfuriating deaths, and so too is the latter, even if they're voluntary, and ultimately, people with more authority than I—but let me not try to defer blame, in light of the latest excesses, I am fully in line with what's happening right now. In fact I might well have been more severe in a few incidents. But this is why we as BL have a system, often pretty democratic, and a hierarchy.
If you believe you've won behind all this, mockery of the dead and the persistent use of unpleasant language towards various groups, you've lost already. As for me it was never about nigger jokes, or whatever, they may have behind them a useful meaning and politically speaking they might be
useful as such, but I don't even think that's often the agenda behind the posts. It's just to be offensive. Nothing legitimate about that.
Can the actual members who call the lounge home have any contribution as to how it is run?
Can we please see actual numbers of this "small clique" cross referenced with all the other forums? For instance how many members contribute to the vape forums?
How the fuck is a nicotine product in anyway harm reduction?
Given a bit of time, pardoning me because my main Internet access is mobile right now, but I can give you concrete data, but roughly seen it and can promise you two proportions: (a) the Lounge posts are by the vast majority made by a certain clique of posters; and (b) the vast majority of these posters post little to nothing elsewhere. it's as it TL, for many, is an entirely different community than TL. this is troubling in itself.
why does an off topic section that supposedly nobody goes on piss off your donors so much because this is what this is really about
donors aren't at issue here.
History suggests the chances the admins have of even being able to open the lounge again is pretty slim. I'm surprised the servers weren't wiped
no intention of this. the lounge might change but we value Bluelight history and
what's valuable in it won't die. you have my word or I will resign my position
I know specifically for you that TL isn't the entirely for BL, so whatever has been between us and whether we like each other or not that's something that deserves reconsidering.
Thankyou for taking action.
I have a suggestion.
I suggest the moderators of the lounge and -maybe extend to all social forums-
be a fixed term contract position. Like 3 or 6 months.
I think phr has let the team down. He has done a lot of good things in the past but allowing himself and a couple of his mates harass and rub in bardeaux death to kyt and others was below the belt and he needs to be fired .
Having a fixed term position means that persons modship can be renewed and rebiewed by us and staff.
It means no one moderator can be complacent and feel they are above anyone else as they are not.
It means we can have less bullshit when its time to change direction and be fun!
The other mods are great and.some are relatively new so this will be good for them to work together and with us to have more fun times and stuff.
Thankyou.
Bardo handed out as good as he received in the lounge when he was alive. I doubt my eventual death would be met with any more or less respect than his.
It seems pretty poor form to parade a suicide as being noble when this whole site is built upon keeping people alive.
If you can't help your friends what hope of saving a stranger?
Z, thanks a lot for real, constructive input; expect to hear from me soon
1kw, just see what one got to day generally + our recent communication
I posted this elsewhere but it belongs here as well:
While I understand where Ali is coming from here, I'm concerned that the outcome of this will cause more lounge regulars to leave the lounge.
A few concerns/comments I'd like to voice:
- making the lounge private was a decision made entirely by senior staff, and was actively fought against by most lounge regulars.
- having senior staff that oversee the lounge but have never been lounge regulars causes more issues than it fixes.
- not regularly or semi-regularly asking for the input of community members about how to improve the forum does nothing but further the agenda of those currently in power without improving the forum overall.
I also dont think the lounge is really homophobic at all. That concern should really be left up to the LGBT members of the forum and not its "allies".
Look at my posts in CE&P and tell me if I'm an "LGBT ally." The pathologies of this community run substantially deeper than the use of off color phrases to refer to homosexuals or blacks.
Some of your points ring true, though; however, on each round of mod recruitment we've often lacked people acceptable alike to the masses and the admins (largely due to OTT trolling and fuckery.) Some happy medium needs to be arranged.
Be the change, perhaps?
So I guess ill just run rampant throughout bl posting like I'm still in the lounge. Fuck your stupid rules
And then you will be finished on bluelight. In my opinion a great loss as I consider you a good contributor and a friend. But do not sink that if you go over the top you will have any protection.
I have no friends irl pls don't ruin the lounge pls
Nobody will be ruining this for him I can give you my solemn word. However real change is coming I can guarantee you that. We will not however be without a social outlet and an informal one, one in which our rather unique user population can gather together and shoot the shit.
Lounge is dead bros. Dont believe them when they say jet fuel melts steel beams, and its only.one or two days
I got the inside info.
I dunno about the rest of you but I'm tearing up EADD. Look our limeys, Americas comings
Again don't risk your presence here on your simple outrage at whatever is going on right now. Give yourself some time to evaluate the changes when they actually happen. They may not be as bad as you think.
And if you want a social forum hit up N&S. We have a just in it's infancy general social thread and expect to have a tolerance for discussion of hard drugs and an overall degenerate lifestyle. I think you could have a lot of fun there. This might be the point at which it is time for a lot of people who post constantly in the lounge to diversify a bit before returning to the new incarnation of the lounge.
Rip TL. Come on guys with all the cuurent advances in safe spaces … reditt &c.
Droopy don't act like I am not probably further to the right than you are and that this is about politics or political correctness. This is about a forum and a bunch of shit over all gone way too far ending with the mockery of our dead. We will begin with something new. If you wish to depart for your other place online please feel free but again don't think that I want you to leave. We don't want anyone to leave except for perhaps those who only want to stir the shit after changes are made.
This thread is already posted in by 20 different Loungerats who post regularly.
How is this that a small minority?
After issue is the fact that the lounge has become dominated by a small minority relative to the entire site and that others often do not come in because they feel an insurmountable difficulty in coming in and filling in. And exclusive cliqué is appropriate and and in a place like a tinychat or your own forum of various types which by the way I would be happy to host but not so much on a front-facing harm reduction platform which is trying to become a more legitimate entity in the more widespread universe of harm reduction and drug policy.
