Dissociatives The Big & Dandy Deschloroketamine Thread

[Boognish]

So... I binned my gram - hated the hangover

 

[yepyepwoah]

I think this is fuckng with my stomcch. I tale probiotics daily.

When i smoke weed/dab I ALWAYS cough. Just a fact of life. Sometimea i hack up a little, but recently it has turnes into throwing up 1/2-all that my stomach contains. Regular ketamine can be even worse.

Also the dck by itself has weird stomach sensation.

Maybe I just have fucked up sinuses. It felel like whats in my sinus is landing in my stomach causing the upheavel

 

[TheICES]

I Just wanted to add my opinion after trying this drug. Two different batches: Earlier one was clear, damp crystals, Most recent is translucent off-white large, dry crystals. My initial impression is the off white batch was stronger, but see my comments below for my reasons to doubt this.

At first, I was very happy with it. It comes on in a pronounced manner: computer monitor, TV way too bright. I've also had a strong aural effect on a 140 mg dose(I have perma-tolerance) where the sound of a window air conditioner in the next room, and the floor fan, which normally are easy to tune out, became HUGE presences. The sound was loud, and seemed like a powerful "thing" that must be shown respect. The sounds also had an indistinct, human like muttering that I couldn't understand. Perhaps because I'm experienced, this didn't bother me(except for how LOUD it was!), and I was rather bemused, like "I can't believe how dissociated I am, this is NUTS!). I should note that on MXE, the sound of running water(kitchen tap or toilet flush) always had a strange, echoey, reverberated quality, which made it sound huge.

At first it really scratched that MXE itch, and I suppose it will have to do. But, like others have said, it lacks the depth, complexity and magic of MXE. No figuring out confusing and complex social group dynamics, no feelings of synchonicity, of fate and inevitability, like "This chem came into my life right when I was ready and able to benefit from it"

But O-PCM does have a decent antidepressant effect for several days. O-PCE as well, which I consider less recreational. I should note that I bought all my MXE from the original vendor in early 2011, and it lasted almost three years. Quite a few of my experiences on MXE(25%?) were kind of "blah", or confusing and kind of negative. Yet, the next day, I always got an antidepressant effect. Although that effect was less apparent with increased usage, like it's a side effect that goes away with use.

Some people seem so eager to blame substandard or negative experiences on a new batch, but in my experience, substantial variation of experience can happen within the same batch over time. I recall a post of someone who had a sheet of blotter LSD in his freezer for a year, and didn't tell his friends it was all from the same sheet, and they were sometimes thinking the hits were much stronger than the last ones, or much weaker, and yet they were all from the same sheet. He also admitted his experiences were so variable that he could easily believe that the drug was degrading, yet the next experience was the best yet.

Finally, I am curious if any males out there have noticed an inability to get an erection on seemingly all dissociatives I've tried. It feels somewhat similar to when I was on the SSRI paroxetine, where I could not get an erection or achieve orgasm. Has anyone tried viagra? Would it work in such a situation? This question is really the one I want others experiences.

I frequent your area and have experimented with the same batches, unfortunately abusing them for a period of time. In regards to the issues with getting an erection: I never had an issue with that but definitely had a problem achieving orgasm. but we all don't have to worry about that as much for sure currently... Also i have a couple of friends that have had a issue with erection and have used cialis. They have RAVED about it solving this issue... Im hesitant to try it.

 

[psy997]

I frequent your area and have experimented with the same batches, unfortunately abusing them for a period of time. In regards to the issues with getting an erection: I never had an issue with that but definitely had a problem achieving orgasm. but we all don't have to worry about that as much for sure currently... Also i have a couple of friends that have had a issue with erection and have used cialis. They have RAVED about it solving this issue... Im hesitant to try it.

Cialis and Viagra are good, but goddamnit if they don't cause problems. The one and only time I took Cialis with my girlfriend at the time I couldn't sleep because any physical contact with her caused a raging erection to the point that I stayed up all night wanting to fuck knowing that I couldn't wake her up because she had work and even if we did have sex it wouldn't go away. I would only recommend it if you're planning on a 6+ hour sex session.

 

[vortech]

A pretty solid consensus is emerging about DCK, recurrent themes in the collective dialogue. I.e., unanimously not as magical as MXE, worse hangover and more side effects, etc. etc.without going into too much details, it doesn't seem like this thread gets much debate (except about how flaccid DCK makes one, ha) and I haven't noticed any of the hypomania-infused philosophy territory here that MXE inspired in users. After my last unpleasant experience with DCK I'm going close the book on it in my personal research.

 

[MSK]

A pretty solid consensus is emerging about DCK, recurrent themes in the collective dialogue. I.e., unanimously not as magical as MXE, worse hangover and more side effects, etc. etc.without going into too much details, it doesn't seem like this thread gets much debate (except about how flaccid DCK makes one, ha) and I haven't noticed any of the hypomania-infused philosophy territory here that MXE inspired in users. After my last unpleasant experience with DCK I'm going close the book on it in my personal research.

you can erase it from your memory easily, I won't take this stuff or ketamine again, I just prefer to take 3meo and be productive than lay another day in bed without doing a shit apart from feeling retarded

 

[Peacephrog1972]

I feel the same about O-PCE
To long to feel way off

 

[xammy]

MSK thats how I feel about ketamine nowadays. It feels such an outdated disso nowadays.

 

[MSK]

MSK thats how I feel about ketamine nowadays. It feels such an outdated disso nowadays.

Welcome to my sad world! I can't even feel anything from ketamine anymore, I wish I could! Last time I tried was a few months back and after an about 2 years long break, with pharma grade ket, quarter gram splitted in two lines didn't gave hardly any effects. Fuck my crazy permatolerance

 

[xammy]

Yeah I think I wouldn't have felt anything last friday if I wasn't on 3-meo-pcp already. I'm not going to take ketamine anymore, I don't want to snort large amounts and it feels heavier than other dissos. Also the duration is way too short.

It's a great dissociative for disso beginners though, short acting and safe. The K-hole is legendary too, but it was underwhelming for me after experiencing so many MXE-holes before it.

IM must be a whole different story, I'm not looking to go there though.

 

[MSK]

Yeah I think I wouldn't have felt anything last friday if I wasn't on 3-meo-pcp already. I'm not going to take ketamine anymore, I don't want to snort large amounts and it feels heavier than other dissos. Also the duration is way too short.

It's a great dissociative for disso beginners though, short acting and safe. The K-hole is legendary too, but it was underwhelming for me after experiencing so many MXE-holes before it.

IM must be a whole different story, I'm not looking to go there though.

IM ketamine is a wet dream I'm saving for my last days. When I'm old enough I plan to IM ketamine all day long. If I started nowadays it will for sure become a problem for me more sooner than later, due the addiction problems I had with ket on the past, and with new generation dissos nowadays xP

 

[lysergamide]

Welcome to my sad world! I can't even feel anything from ketamine anymore, I wish I could! Last time I tried was a few months back and after an about 2 years long break, with pharma grade ket, quarter gram splitted in two lines didn't gave hardly any effects. Fuck my crazy permatolerance

I never really get this whole k perma-tolerance thing. I've been taking it just under ten years now, heavily, heavily abused it due to always having access to it at a cheap price and I've never gotten a perma-tolerance that makes the ket ineffective. I've binged for well over a week many times before, taken MXE daily for months tried 3-meo-pcp/o-pce/3-meo-pce all a good few times and still have no problem k-holing or holing on MXE.

I will say though pharma grade ket isn't the best quality stuff, probably the weakest, I've found stuff from China/India black market a lot more potent. I can't help but feel if you think you have a permatolerance to k and it doesn't give any effect then its the quality of what your getting. The shardy stuff is the least potent compared to the sugar'y/sparkly stuff and vials were always weaker unless it was s-isomer. I've had plenty of the type of k you talk about, but always end up getting the more potent stuff again and k-hole no problem. If you can't k-hole repeatedly on ket its the quality not tolerance. Although with the price changes it is harder to justify. My problem with ket now is its like watching the same film over and over when you k-hole.

I find it a lot safer than the newest dissociatives, it's pretty much fine to abuse unless your taking a gram minimum every single day for years and that's the same with a lot of drugs and what I would consider self-destructive. Also the shorter duration means the mania in higher doses is less likely to feed into your sober reality. Seems to be a lot of people shitting themselves about bladder problems with k now when really years ago when the prices were good people would sniff ozs no problem all week every week and suffered no real side effects once they stopped and got their life in check. I think people using the likes of 3-meo-pcp and thinking it is some chemical to be using daily for therapeutic/cognitive enhancement is a lot more dangerous, or the way people thought MXE was Jesus Christ in chemical form, serious delusions.

 

[xammy]

The thing is I'm rather doing life nowadays, meeting people and experiencing new things than holing on my bed alone. That's why I prefer 3-MeO-PCP over more sedative dissos and when I look back to the days I was doing MXE regularly it looks sad. Even when it wasn't at the time, MXE gave me a lot.

You're right though, 3meo might be the most dangerous drug I've taken. Especially when used every week multiple days for months.

 

[MSK]

I never really get this whole k perma-tolerance thing. I've been taking it just under ten years now, heavily, heavily abused it due to always having access to it at a cheap price and I've never gotten a perma-tolerance that makes the ket ineffective. I've binged for well over a week many times before, taken MXE daily for months tried 3-meo-pcp/o-pce/3-meo-pce all a good few times and still have no problem k-holing or holing on MXE.

I will say though pharma grade ket isn't the best quality stuff, probably the weakest, I've found stuff from China/India black market a lot more potent. I can't help but feel if you think you have a permatolerance to k and it doesn't give any effect then its the quality of what your getting. The shardy stuff is the least potent compared to the sugar'y/sparkly stuff and vials were always weaker unless it was s-isomer. I've had plenty of the type of k you talk about, but always end up getting the more potent stuff again and k-hole no problem. If you can't k-hole repeatedly on ket its the quality not tolerance. Although with the price changes it is harder to justify. My problem with ket now is its like watching the same film over and over when you k-hole.

I find it a lot safer than the newest dissociatives, it's pretty much fine to abuse unless your taking a gram minimum every single day for years and that's the same with a lot of drugs and what I would consider self-destructive. Also the shorter duration means the mania in higher doses is less likely to feed into your sober reality. Seems to be a lot of people shitting themselves about bladder problems with k now when really years ago when the prices were good people would sniff ozs no problem all week every week and suffered no real side effects once they stopped and got their life in check. I think people using the likes of 3-meo-pcp and thinking it is some chemical to be using daily for therapeutic/cognitive enhancement is a lot more dangerous, or the way people thought MXE was Jesus Christ in chemical form, serious delusions.

the thing is I was one of the stupids snorting more than a gram daily for a few years, and believe me, that builds a huuuuge permatolerance that doesn't lows even when years without using has passed. It's a fact. Also I've experienced bladder problems, and needed to stop because of starting to pee blood... Of course 3meo is more dangerous, but I use it way more responsibly than I did ketamine.

 

[lysergamide]

the thing is I was one of the stupids snorting more than a gram daily for a few years, and believe me, that builds a huuuuge permatolerance that doesn't lows even when years without using has passed. It's a fact. Also I've experienced bladder problems, and needed to stop because of starting to pee blood... Of course 3meo is more dangerous, but I use it way more responsibly than I did ketamine.

I don't doubt your experience at all MSK from reading your previous posts. How did you find the likes of o-pce? Were you able to get a hole on that?

(I found it more like a drunken black out)

I agree there is a weird thing with K tolerance. It seems like there is a tolerance that lasts about 2-4 weeks if you have used recently then there is a tolerance that doesn't go down really at all even if you don't use for months or years. Completely different from the likes of LSD or psychedelics and so I would assume all dis are the same. Thankfully though I'm still able to K hole or I wouldn't use it at all, although I'm very much on the verge of quitting for good due to its repetitive effects and the price inflation. I don't think they are anywhere near as beneficial to a user as psychedelics. I Kindve see all dissociatives as recreational in comparison.

 

[MSK]

I don't doubt your experience at all MSK from reading your previous posts. How did you find the likes of o-pce? Were you able to get a hole on that?

(I found it more like a drunken black out)

I agree there is a weird thing with K tolerance. It seems like there is a tolerance that lasts about 2-4 weeks if you have used recently then there is a tolerance that doesn't go down really at all even if you don't use for months or years. Completely different from the likes of LSD or psychedelics and so I would assume all dis are the same. Thankfully though I'm still able to K hole or I wouldn't use it at all, although I'm very much on the verge of quitting for good due to its repetitive effects and the price inflation. I don't think they are anywhere near as beneficial to a user as psychedelics. I Kindve see all dissociatives as recreational in comparison.

I was able, on first trials, thanks to a bit of help of a downed tolerance due to the MXE ban, and the help of weed and alcohol. Reaaaaally interesting , astral projection and out of body experiences. I only take it with psychedelics now, as I feel 2-OxO-PCE on it's own lacks something, but it's perfect as a fuel for a hardcore psychedelic experience.

About ketamine, I only managed to hole like two times and I really couldn't remember the holes, really amnesic substance. Of course, this was due to myself snorting it like if it wasn't tomorrow for a lot of years, non stop. I suspect though than with a responsible use and spacing the days between uses this wouldn't happen, as it happens with all the new generation dissos.

For me dissos are as useful, if no more useful, than psychedelics. But they have got that dark side that is they could really be addictive depending on the person taking them, and as they dissociate you a bad trip will rarely happen if you are experienced. This can lead to taking them as benzos instead for personal profit like you would do with psychedelics.

 

[Research Professor]

I was able, on first trials, thanks to a bit of help of a downed tolerance due to the MXE ban, and the help of weed and alcohol. Reaaaaally interesting , astral projection and out of body experiences. I only take it with psychedelics now, as I feel 2-OxO-PCE on it's own lacks something, but it's perfect as a fuel for a hardcore psychedelic experience.About ketamine, I only managed to hole like two times and I really couldn't remember the holes, really amnesic substance. Of course, this was due to myself snorting it like if it wasn't tomorrow for a lot of years, non stop. I suspect though than with a responsible use and spacing the days between uses this wouldn't happen, as it happens with all the new generation dissos.For me dissos are as useful, if no more useful, than psychedelics, but they have got that dark side that is they could really be addictive depending on the person taking them, and as they dissociate you a bad trip will never happen if you are experienced. This can lead to taking them as benzos instead for personal profit like you would do with psychedelics.

OOBE, ok, I can dig it. But what exactly do you know about astral travel? People throw around the term astral projection like child's play nowadays, I am curious though, how well versed are you with the Astral Plane?

 

[MSK]

OOBE, ok, I can dig it. But what exactly do you know about astral travel? People throw around the term astral projection like child's play nowadays, I am curious though, how well versed are you with the Astral Plane?

I don't know a fuck, but on the hole I experienced what I can only describe as astral travel. What that means for me is, while out of my body, and aware, be able to go wherever my mind wants to go. Beeing the God of my own universe. That shit broke a lot of my believings. I'm a really skeptical guy, and never though I would believe on astral planes or paralel universes until I decided to combine tryptamines with 2-OxO-PCE this year. I can't really put those experiences on words.

 

[varg]

Tried this compound the first time yesterday. I am experienced with dissociatives and have an slight tolerance. Started with 20mg sublingual. Feeling light effects after +0:30. Slight sedation, pleasant mood lift and mild dissociation. Redosed between 10 and 15mg intranasally a few times the night and vaped some weed (boosts the DCK greatly - be careful!). The body high is pleasant and reminds me of good old MXE. The magic and the warmth are definitely there, but not to the extent of MXE. The dissociation is pretty mild. Music enhancement is nice. It hasn´t the depth, but a lot more CEVs than O-PCE. The peak is relatively short-lasting, so it´s seductive to redose. The overall effects seem to last pretty long, I can still feel it lingering today (last dose was 11 hours ago). Mood is great, I am eager for getting some shit done today

Overall, the compound is a nice addition to our assortment of dissociatives. It seems a little bit more recreational than O-PCE, bot substances have their reason to exist

 

[h0p3]

I've found DCK helps my depression immediately (seriously, it might be a miracle). I'm trying to understand the risks of using this substance long-term (maybe for life). Could any one hazard a guess as to how safe it is to take 20mg orally once a week? How about once every 2 weeks? Does anyone have any recommendations for dosing for depression?