The Big & Dandy AL-LAD Thread - Part 1

[MrPorter]

I think if you're getting that at 600ug, it's going to be a lot lot worse at nearly double that. I know people like to do 'heroic doses' of psychedelics but sometimes more isn't always better.

 

[suture]

I find my high doses of psychedelics are characteristically very similar to high doses of MDMA - I get to that stage which feels like a very colourful passing out sensation. Can't really remember what's going on, bizarre mind trips in the head. Just basically what most people would call 'frying'. This sensation is obviously a lot trippier on Psychedelics than MDMA (Though MDMA can get quite psychedelic at high doses) but it feels like a very similar headspace.

I think a lot depends on your setting though, I can take a heroic dose of shrooms and just sit there blasted out into space, entity contact and all that great stuff and then just slowly come out of it. Yet in another scenario I can take the same dose and have a very 'up and about' tactile trip where things are getting massively strange.

As far as AL-LAD goes though, I'd guess once you're pushing 600-800ug and above that it's not that dissimilar from LSD if barely distinguishable at all. Just a guess though, I've never done AL-LAD at that dose but from what I've heard the differences between AL-LAD and LSD (Calmer sensation, less troubled thoughts, decreased duration) tend to vanish. That's what I've heard people report at 450ug and above.

 

[Mudshark]

75μg will be very mild. I can't personally imagine anyone having a hard time on 150μg but still, it's good to go slow.

I am inclined to agree with builders , but believe 75ug is too low a dose - and possibly you will experience many of the negative aspects such as body load or nausea , but unlikely to experience many of the positives . It will certainly be a underwhelming dose ...

My advice would be to take a whole tab , and maybe more after 3 - 4 hours if feeling so inclined
After all - there really is nothing to be afraid of ...

 

[ZFC]

I'm wondering if anyone has any experiences with higher doses of AL-LAD? (I'd check back ... but we're up to 25 pages!) I suppose I'm talking somewhere in the +/-1000ug range. If so, maybe you could guide me on whether I should go there and what to expect?

Somebody way back in this thread posted a short TR about eating 10 tabs. If I find it, I'll edit this.

 

[Phototrophic]

I wonder - does anyone else experience tinnitus on higher doses of AL-LAD? With >=300ug, there seems to be no getting away from it. I seem to get two distinct "types" of sounds. For lack of a better expression, the first type is a "swooshing" sound, like someone imitating the take-off or landing of a jet with their mouth, and this being run through an audio filter adding a reverb and a slight delay effect. As for the second type, the working title is the "water being sucked into the drain" sound, again with the audio FX distortions on top.

Fortunately, it's not constant throughout the trip, and seems to come and go, but when it's apparent, it's very apparent.

The tinnitus is only noticable in silence, so it's easily taken care of by listening to music. That said, I rather like my silence, plus it makes falling asleep after a trip a truly disconcerting experience - my head feels like a beehive, what with all the buzzing and humming. It almost feels like I can hear the "biological sounds" in my head, like blood flowing through veins, pressure in the inner ear adjusting, etc..

I should note that I am not prone to tinnitus at all. LSD seems to cause very similar symptoms, but less severe.

 

[Gratuitous Grace]

I wonder - does anyone else experience tinnitus on higher doses of AL-LAD? With >=300ug, there seems to be no getting away from it. I seem to get two distinct "types" of sounds. For lack of a better expression, the first type is a "swooshing" sound, like someone imitating the take-off or landing of a jet with their mouth, and this being run through an audio filter adding a reverb and a slight delay effect. As for the second type, the working title is the "water being sucked into the drain" sound, again with the audio FX distortions on top.

Fortunately, it's not constant throughout the trip, and seems to come and go, but when it's apparent, it's very apparent.

The tinnitus is only noticable in silence, so it's easily taken care of by listening to music. That said, I rather like my silence, plus it makes falling asleep after a trip a truly disconcerting experience - my head feels like a beehive, what with all the buzzing and humming. It almost feels like I can hear the "biological sounds" in my head, like blood flowing through veins, pressure in the inner ear adjusting, etc..

I should note that I am not prone to tinnitus at all. LSD seems to cause very similar symptoms, but less severe.

Yes ... AL-LAD in every dose I've tried (from 150ug to 600ug) produces auditory hallucinations. It's freaky -- and the closest recording I've been able to find to replicate it is this:

http://youtu.be/00CbHeQ1k5I?t=1h12m30s

Listen for the first 30 or 40 seconds and see if this isn't close?

As someone who has real life tinnitus (from 35 years of playing the drums), I wouldn't call this tinnitus. Minor point, I guess.

 

[Just A Guy]

Yes ... AL-LAD in every dose I've tried (from 150ug to 600ug) produces auditory hallucinations. It's freaky -- and the closest recording I've been able to find to replicate it is this:

http://youtu.be/00CbHeQ1k5I?t=1h12m30s

Listen for the first 30 or 40 seconds and see if this isn't close?

As someone who has real life tinnitus (from 35 years of playing the drums), I wouldn't call this tinnitus. Minor point, I guess.

GG --

I'm also a drummer, with tinnitus, thankfully mild. Yeah, that's not it. But the high pitch phase-shifted warbling effect in the beginning of that track sounds a lot like what I would get on high dosages of psychs like AL-LAD. Good example!

I would get this same effect from too much cannabis. You know, when you've got the best kind, and you simply bake yourself silly and then to sleep?

I'm still listening to the album. Pretty cool stuff.

 

[GreenMachine]

how is AL-LAD on the stomach? id really like to try it one day but im not into the ordering drugs online thing. i have also heard its expensive, i know we cant really talk prices here, but is it comparable to L?

 

[Gratuitous Grace]

how is AL-LAD on the stomach? id really like to try it one day but im not into the ordering drugs online thing. i have also heard its expensive, i know we cant really talk prices here, but is it comparable to L?

I've been doing AL-LAD in doses from 150ug to 600ug roughly once every week or two for just about as long as it's been generally available. In my experience, it's really important to have an empty stomach and a clear gastrointestinal tract. AL-LAD (like many psychedelics) is prone to turning small areas of pressure in these areas into the perception of pain. Nothing intense or agonizing! -- more like annoying, you know? Distracting. Like, "what's poking at me and why won't it stop?" Fasting is a good idea, here, IMO. That said, you should know that I'm in my early-40s and ... well ... things like this change as you get older ... LMAO! (YMMV.) If you're asking about "on the stomach" in the nausea sense, there's absolutely none for me. Not a trace.

Yeah, no price talk. It costs what it costs. To put it in "bigger than a breadbox" terms, I'll say that I consider it an incredible bargain for what it does. I've spent thousands and thousands of dollars on exotic vacations that I haven't enjoyed nearly as much as certain days on 600ug of AL-LAD.

 

[Phototrophic]

Yes ... AL-LAD in every dose I've tried (from 150ug to 600ug) produces auditory hallucinations. It's freaky -- and the closest recording I've been able to find to replicate it is this:

http://youtu.be/00CbHeQ1k5I?t=1h12m30s

Listen for the first 30 or 40 seconds and see if this isn't close?

Yup, definitely agree that this sounds like AL-LAD It's not the sound that I meant, though - what I talked about is more like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Xu5gwRJom94#t=2863

Especially the falling sound in the foreground at 48:00 is a pretty good approximation.

As someone who has real life tinnitus (from 35 years of playing the drums), I wouldn't call this tinnitus. Minor point, I guess.

Well, I used "tinnitus" as a catch-all term for auditory phenomena of the hissing, zooming, crackling kind. I agree that it's nothing like the typical ringing-in-the-ears sort of tinnitus, thankfully.

 

[Wayne C]

Third time experimenting with this. First dose was 300 mcg, great experience but some nausea. This time I tried just 150 mcg's and it worked beautifully. Felt just like L, also conversation came easier. I had eaten lunch earlier in the day but held off on dinner until the comedown and that seemed to work out quite well. I didn't notice any stomach discomfort whatsoever at this dose. I was at a huge concert smoking lots of hash and that intensified the experience greatly. This stuff is simply the shit when it comes to live shows. I really hope it resurfaces, it seems to be getting scarce.

BTW someone mentioned the price not being good, but when you compare it to how weak the majority of real L on the streets nowadays I agree that this stuff is a bargain.

 

[intensecycle]

At last, I found time to finish my report of 10 al-lad blotters at a festival in summer. Hopefully, this will be interesting to everyone, and also will help to confirm that safety profile of AL-LAD is high.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/705071-AL-LAD-10-blotters-(1500-ug)-Answer-to-all-questions

 

[black53]

Thanks, will read when the 6-mapb wears of since right now my attention span isn't up to reading something that long. But yeah, I've had high doses as well (think 8 tabs was the most) and I agree with you about the safety (lsd like if I had to guess).

Hope the new batch is ready soon. This is one of the best psys I've tried!

 

[90's hangover]

bodyload,mindfuckand any fisical reaction are sub efect of ANXIETY !
when anxiety reduce,all the sub efect are goan and w hats left is much more focus tothe real importent stuff in life,and a beautiful psychedelic experience.
its deep,the general feeling are very natural feeling same like dmt,
the day after you start wondering about all the whird shit in the galaxy and all the galaxis beyond..
best thing that can happen to any avrege open head,white man that seeking for acid.

 

[90's hangover]

no racist shit -his dam welcome to b black,one love

 

[ZFC]

Thanks, will read when the 6-mapb wears of since right now my attention span isn't up to reading something that long.

So you finally found it! You were so eager to try it! :D

 

[black53]

Found a EU vendor with all the apbs/mapbs/eapbs/apdbs actually
Now trying to convince them that they should try making mapdbs

 

[velmwend]

Okay, so I'm smack-bang in the middle of a 300ug al-lad trip. Now, let me start off by saying that the last time I properly tripped were back in 90s, early 90s, before we all the internet. So, let me just say this - I've not tripped properly since I had those trips in the 90s, the early 90s, and there wern't computers, well there were computers, but we didn;t sit round them when we tripped, we went outdoors - and can I just say that I've just been outdoors and I heard sheep. Wait...I'm just gathering myself and having a swig of tea. Right, okay - it' okay now. What I meant to say - what I've been meaning to say is that this is the first time I've ever been on a computer when I've been tripping. So it's hard for me to take it...but this cursor trail, lol, just like the old hand action trails, or those nights in the woods, with the spike candles. hehe. Anyhows. The reason I got out of bed is to look at some porn and to find out if there was anything really going on because I just kept feeling these muscle spasms and there were no closed eye visuals and there really aren't any visuals. All the surroundings have that very 'present' here and now feel, you know, every commands its own existence, it's own rights, its own beauty, its own, what the fuck am I saying, everything is...isn't it. Actually, this cuppa is one of the best I've ever tasted.

So - al-lad. It doesn't dance around the same fire as acid, does it. I mean, I'm smiling and my awareness is acute, my senses are relatively overloaded, but it aint...spiritual enough. I mean, was it ever spiritual enough for me? I mean, come on, I used to love the animated bobbing of the lofty boughs in the preternatural dawn, but was that *really* spiritual, I dunno.

All I can say is - all that might answer my questions...is porn. That may be all there is that stands between me and ..I really don't know what stands on the other side. More porn? I dunno.

edit: I'm a twig

edit: t+ so long as was last. Fits of the giggles. okay, I've calmed down now, I'm not doing this kicks, I'm doing this for science. Just don't take me anywhere near reddit funnies and I'm doing this for science. bites lip. I'm not getting the same intricacies as acid. I mean, I could look into *any* piece of art and disappear into it for eons. This aint happening. I'm not rushing, I never felt a rush, no all-over-body euphoria. wait, what time did I drop? It was 11.15pm. Not sure where that puts me...I'd say, by the way feel now to how I did only a ew mim....ahh wait! Wait...now, this is when it starts messing with your head, see, because you think you're hitting a level and then... ahhhh...

still not getting the spirtual, though. I mean, cmon though, how was I going to get 'spiritual', when I jumped out of a relatively peaceful meditative state, to look at some porn.

edit: This is me signing off now because I feel like I'm making a duck of myself. But I hope it serves as an idea as to what you could get with 300ug.

conclusion: it *does* dance around the same fire as acid, but not nearly so close to the flame.

Summing up. So, apologies for the ramblings. Right. Well, yep, you're right: a more recreational dose of lsd. Let's put it this way: I'm a pretty full on depressive and, I'll hand it to al-lad, my chuckle button hasn't worked like that in over 10 years. I had a pretty mild headache throughout and nothing much going on in the headspace at all, but the bubblings of love, happiness and humour that started to erupt from my heart and spread to the rest of my body - quite late in the trip...I mean, I'm finding the come down very enjoyable. I mean, as a depressive, I'm finding this little tweek in my heart - this little tug at my chuckle button - I'm finding it all very beneficial. My eyes feel very tired, my brain feels very tired, but something's awaken. Something that hasn't been awake in me for a long time. Probably a shit load of serotonin, haha, but no...my chuckle button. My love button. That little cosy, sexy, loved-up, happy, little pit in my tum. It hasn't bubbled for years. I mean, it hasn't bubbled once...not like that - in years. Thank you, al-lad...you made this old, tired, monotonous, weak, dreary, careful, dutiful, whingeing, depressed man giggle. And that means a lot!


Retrospective (2 days later). Apart from the chuckles late on in the trip, I'm not sure what else al-lad can do for me. I might try upping the dose and see where it takes me, but that would be getting expensive. Hmm. I was still awake at 7am the other morning but just 1mg etizest soon calmed me down and got me off to sleep.

 

[black53]

It being a more 'recreational' version of lsd is the whole point isn't it?

 

[:DNA]

Found a EU vendor with all the apbs/mapbs/eapbs/apdbs actually
Now trying to convince them that they should try making mapdbs

oh, bless your heart. keep fighting the good fight, for all of us