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The Big & Dandy 5-APB Thread

The less common the drugs (and combinations of them logically being even less common), the more unknown and unexpected interactions will be.

That said, 5-APB + 4-X-tryptamine is a varation on the hippyflip theme (mushrooms & MDMA). I am not sure if you call a hippyflip sane or insane but basically it is still a stimulant combined with a psychedelic. What we don't really know is if there is unusual synergy or interaction... or if the combination is mostly just the sum of its parts. I think that the more dopaminergic the stimulant is, the less interaction there should be from serotonin activity overlap. The more serotonergic, the more synergy or interaction probably.

Whatever you do, start with a reasonable dose and protect yourself from redose urges. Also check that you don't come down from the 5-APB while still tripping on the tryptamine, better is to time dropping the 5-APB later to prevent that.
 
I wonder if it is sane idea to do combination of 5-APB with some mild dose of tryptamine? 4-ho-mipt ? 4-Aco...?
I tried the combo 150 mg 5apb, 150 mg 4fa with 30 mg 4 ho met, very smooth, veeery euphoric, of course with no tolerance you should dose much lower.
I figured out that mixing 5apb,6apb and 4fa with 4 sub tryptamines is much better than with 2cx, better synergy all around.
 
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Also check that you don't come down from the 5-APB while still tripping on the tryptamine, better is to time dropping the 5-APB later to prevent that.

Thank you Solipsis, although i am not quite sure what (why) do you suggest by dropping 5-APB later?

I tried the combo 150 mg 5apb, 150 mg 4fa with 30 mg 4 ho met, very smooth, veeery euphoric, of course with no tolerance you should dose much lower.
I figured out that mixing 5apb,6apb and 4fa with 4 sub tryptamines is much better than with 2cx, better synergy all around.

I think I might be doing 5-APB + 4-HO-MET for the first trial - when did you ingest 4-HO after bombing 5 ? How was the comedown and after/side effects?

PS. I have actually recalled 1 of my experiences when I went completely nuts 1.5 years ago - It was MXE/4ho-Met (alcohol/beer - heavy) followed by 4-aco-dmt / 6APB (insufflated) combo later - that gave me ultimate utter mind fuck to say the least. I am glad my compulsiveness passed away very same night so I went cold turkey for some time.
 
I ingested 4ho met 1,5 hours after 5apb and 4fa. I felt a little tired that was it, no real comedown and side effects for me.
The most important thing is to eat, drink and sleep on the comedown.
 
I ingested 4ho met 1,5 hours after 5apb and 4fa. I felt a little tired that was it, no real comedown and side effects for me.
The most important thing is to eat, drink and sleep on the comedown.

Thanks for the info lexaurin!

How is jaw clenching on 5-APB - same as 6-APB or something milder?
 
I got a little bit of gurning going on and eye-wiggles too with the 5 HCl at a fairly low dose of I think ~100mg IIRC on its own, I get next to none worth commenting on at all with the 6 even with high doses, ~250mg. In a 5 / 6 combo it's even more noticeable. I do seem to have a somewhat idiosyncratic reaction though finding the 5 more straightforwardly stimmy and the 6 more psychedelic which lots of other people I've spoken tell me is completely the wrong way round? Make of that what you will. ;)
 
I got a little bit of gurning going on and eye-wiggles too with the 5 HCl at a fairly low dose of I think ~100mg IIRC on its own, I get next to none worth commenting on at all with the 6 even with high doses, ~250mg. In a 5 / 6 combo it's even more noticeable. I doseem to have a somewhat idiosyncratic reaction though finding the 5 more straightforwardly stimmy and the 6 more psychedelic which lots of other people I've spoken tell me is completely the wrong way round? Make of that what you will. ;)

I find 6 more psychedelic as well. 5 reminds me more of mdma, though I like 6 better. Remember, YMMV!
 
I think I might be doing 5-APB + 4-HO-MET for the first trial - when did you ingest 4-HO after bombing 5 ? How was the comedown and after/side effects?

In my experience it is better to come down from stimulants while tripping, it seems the psychedelic maintains you at a threshold that avoids the crash from happening, as long as you're not tripping too hard. I dont know about this particular combo, but I would imagine the same logic would apply - at least for me.
 
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I tried 5APB a couple of days ago and I'll tell you I was astounded by the drug. I have never done a real psychedelic before but I must say the whole experience was truly psychedelic; never have I seen such fucked up/amazing things. I initially took a dose at about 3:30 in the afternoon - I eye balled the dosage but it seemed like a like a light dosage of MDMA (say 90mg).

An hour and a half later I went to catch my bus back from college and I still wasn't feeling anything so I proceeded to make another bomb; this time bigger. This one If I were to guess would have been about 150-180mg. After getting off the bus I went to my mates house, we both start to feel like we were coming up and decided to go to the pub. Once we got the pub my mate was feeling very anxious as he had an exam the next day I gave him 0.5mg of Etizolam to help him with the anxiety which it did. From then things started to get very mildly trippy whilst I was experiencing a drop of euphoria comparable to MDMA.

I started seeing people out of the corner of my eye, nothing very distinct. Me and my mate then went to another pub and met up with a few other friends; they also took some of the 5APB. Around 3 hours in things started to get very "twisted". I went to take a piss and looked up at a picture on the wall - the picture was inundating in and out of the wall like liquid - it was as if it was constantly recycling itself over and over again. I then proceeded to the pub and was asked if I wanted to play pool - so I did. I don't remember if I won or lost; it didn't seem important. What I can remember was asking my friend why the white ball was a golf ball? He replied and said "dude I think you're tripping".

Then things started going full out fucked up. The whole room I was in was melting and expanding as If it were breathing and constantly undulating. At no point was I worried about all the fucked up trippyness that was going on around me; I was simply fascinated. I managed to come to terms with all the tripping and engaged in some fairly intelligible conversation about the value of art. After a while I went to roll a cigarette, as I rolled the cigarette the rizzla paper started to from beautiful Aztec patterns that would grow up the stem of the paper, it took me a good 15 minutes to roll the cigarette. At this point I was gurning hard, VERY hard. I chewed all the inside of my cheek and formed many ulcers. I cant remember much in between what happened but I remember being near a duck pond smoking a spliff.

This is where my hallucinations reached their peak, I started smoking the spliff and after 10 minutes looked at my mate; he began to turn into some kind of demon (I know how clichéd) big toes started growing out of his ears and formed long pointy horns, he also looked like he badly bruised his face and was covered in blood. Surprisingly I wasn't at all scared at this and simply accepted what was happening to me and passed it off, to be honest I wanted to see more fucked up/scary things. As I walked around the snow nearby they started forming perfectly shaped hexagonal pits as I passed, it was as if everything was trying to present itself in its most beautiful from for my benefit.

After smoking some weed I ended up vomiting. I only vomited once and then felt normal again. After vomiting I experienced full on time-shifts where I watched my friend walk off and the suddenly appear 5 feet behind or forward of where he initially was, this constantly glitching lasted for about half an hour and was utterly unbelievable. At this point I was escorted to my friends house, as I walked back I had absolutely no idea where I was and could see tiny little people on bikes in the distance. I went to sleep and pissed about 5 times in an hour, not sure if this had anything to do the drug. I woke up at about 6 in the morning and caught a bus home. As I was on the bus home their still some visual distortions and liquid like figures and my eyes were still massively dilated. I experienced some kind of comedown not dissimilar to what one would experience after taking MDMA, however there was no real feeling of depression just slight unease which 1.5mg of Etizolam sorted.
 
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I'm experienced with AMT and 6-APB, so I can't wait to try 5-APB in a few days. I'm planning to combine it with AMT (lower doses of each, of course) so I'll report back soon.
 
No, but I consider the APBs to be more empathogens than stimulants. AMT is far more stimulating to me than 6-APB, so if anything, the combo should be less stimmy.
 
i just wondered if the MAOI thing was a factor here is all...

on AMT fags and coffee make me rush so the idea of adding an APB sounds kinda intimidating to me, but each to thier own, have fun n all that =-]
 
I intend to have weed+cannabinoids too. This is a night I can't wait for.

My preferred 6-APB dose is 200mg, so I'm going to estimate my sweet-spot for 5-APB is not too far above 150mg. My favourite AMT dose so far has been 60mg.

I'm thinking of 30mg AMT + 100mg 5-APB. I'm earing on the lower side for AMT because of it being an MAOI.
 
I have about 125mg of 5-APB in a capsule. Always wanted to take it, but 8-10 hours seems a bit long (unless it's 6-8). I've tried MDMA quite a few times at high doses, although I'm no longer interested in it. Will 125 be too overwhelming? I also have 115mg of 6-APB. Should I try that first before the 5-APB?
 
Yeah, be very cautious with it David. This not a 'safe' combo by any stretch, but hey, you know that already. When I'm comboing ( 6-APB and aMT is a regular thing ) I do the APB first and time it so that's hit peak and settled down already as the aMT comes in so there's not too much push left from the APB to drive things harder than they'll already be. I drop the aMT at least an hour afterwards, nearer two is better with 6-APB, 5-APB would probably drive it still harder, it has more push mg for mg IME than the 6, and comes up faster and harder. Dose too late tolerance from the APB is already becoming a factor but dosed right more than the sum of its parts. Dosed / timed wrong headlong into mania territory for me with one high dose excursion of ~100mg with ~200mg 6-APB threatening to really get away from me, far from being even remotely rational for an hour till things levelled out. Treat with caution.
 
I was planning on taking the amt first, since it lasts much longer and I can take the 5-apb after the guaranteed vomiting. Yeah I'm going to be careful, I've done high doses of each alone (well, I mean 6-apb) so a lower dose of both together shouldn't be too much to cope with. This is my decision, of course.
 
Ok so in the end I just took 160mg 5-APB, accompanied by weed. It felt very similar to 200mg 6-APB, but there was definitely something different. It was less stimulating and more euphoric - I couldn't keep my eyes open a lot of the time, just rolling hard. It had some trippiness, but not to the extent of my 6-APB experience. I'm not sure I'd like to go above 160mg yet.
 
What would be a decent dose of the Hydrocloride form of 5-APB for someone with experience with MDMA? I know they don't compare in effects just asking as to not give the person a dose and they may feel underwhelmed by the dose
 
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