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The Big & Dandy 5-APB Thread

I remember several months ago I took 100mg of 5-apb in a club then 100mg of 6-apb about an hour later and I completely blacked out. I remember dancing and making an idiot of myself then I remember lying down in bed, texting random people on my phone. It was a very confused feeling and I hardly drank any alcohol.
 
Harambulus said:
what doses are we tlaking here?

As stated above Im wondering if I could avoid such bad effects since i only plan on taking a very modest dose by most ppls standards. Most seem to START at 100mg + which is way to much for me right there.

even 70 was a bit much.

50 of 6 is a little low tho so i think 60 might be a sweet spot with mdppp in the mix. if its not i will have thrown in the towel with these particular serotonin chems.
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100mg was the dose I used. Maybe plugging 5-apb would reduce the nasty aftereffects.
 
astenu said:
100mg was the dose I used. Maybe plugging 5-apb would reduce the nasty aftereffects.
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Plugging is typically the best ROA for increasing the potency of chemicals of questionable purity (that you don't want to IM) or burn/congest your nose with. But I've got to say I tried it with 5-APB and found it ... irritating like nothing else I've used the ROA with (not terrible, but bad enough). Still worked but oral is the only way I'm using this particular tan stuff from now on. I think a few tums (might increase absorption like with amphetamine) and a half dose of loperamide along with the 5-APB might help any non-nausea GI problems.

I've never noticed any problems after taking 5-APB, though I lead a healthy lifestyle and supplement with rectal 5HTP for a few days afterwards (read much more survives to cross the blood brain barrier that way).

Regarding the question of duration: the main empathogenic part lasts around 5 or 6 hours and takes 2 or 3 hours to get rolling strong for me (don't know if that's different than 6-APB)
 
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any major dude said:
is there much or any difference in duration between this & 6-APB?
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5-APB tends to be more potent by weight than 6-APB because it is usually sold as HCl, and from what people are saying it seems to be less psychedelic and less stimulating. Given there are far fewer good reviews I just went for trying 6-APB first and I might try 5-APB some time if I'm bored and have spare cash, but I've yet to see any of the "Oh god this was the best euphoria ever" reports for it haha :D
 
psood0nym said:
. But I've got to say I tried it with 5-APB and found it ... irritating like nothing else I've used the ROA with (not terrible, but bad enough). Still worked but oral is the only way I'm using this particular tan stuff from now on. I think a few tums (might increase absorption like with amphetamine) and a half dose of loperamide along with the 5-APB might help any non-nausea GI problems.
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Thanks for the tip.
 
i was thinking 6 was the more stimulating one & 5 tended to feel more "mongy," these certainly aren't specific scientific terms though ;) lol. I thought i'd read a few posts a while back claiming that 5 was a bit shorter lived but i can't remember where. That would be nice as 6 is a marathon for me, which sometimes is good, but its definitely quite draining.
 
Just wanted to return with a bit of an update. Had 6-APB in the last couple of weeks (bombed 100mg (+50mg top-up) powder with a little MXE and Weed) and feel fairly well placed to compare and contrast.

Compared to 5, 6 is certainly more 'pure' feeling and euphoric.

Both have rather long, drawn out come-ups.

However, it's main strength appears to be its flexibility. Up until taking MXE and some weed, it was very, very much like MDMA. I judge this on one factor alone - kissing. Kissing on 5 was fun, on MDMA it is wonderful and 6 wasn't far short. However, with a little MXE (maybe 50mgs over several hours - 5 mg keys) and a small amount of weed, it suddenly became extremely trippy. I would say a low-level 3.

Both my girlfriend and I commented that, mixed with other things - carefully and in a controlled manner - it could provide the foundation for a very different evening. Mixed with a little 5 - something I will be trying cautiously on NYE - it would be much more suitable for a club and would counteract any 'mongy' type feeling.

One final comment. 5 has no comedown, at least in didn't for me. 6 gave me a mighty kick. As noted in my girlfriend's trip report about this, it may will have been from the emotional revelations I experienced. However, there was something very chemically about the 3 days or so following my trip.

On reflection, 6 is a whole lot of fun and I'm looking forward to cautiously mixing with 5.
 
so im on my first experience with 5-apb i have done a fair ammount of stimulents, hullucinagens and MDMA ECT. I weight in at 16 stone so im a big guy can handle alot.

3:30pm i take the intial dose of 120mg by licking in off my finger dont believe in that snorting crap. but i did accidentally ihale some and it hurt. when i was just breathing neaby a load got sucked into my lungs and it wasnt funny!

4:30 nothing yet so i use anouther 30mg andafter i while i start to feel the effects
its like esctasy but mostly physical and not so much mental empathy but i do wanna talk about the universe and all pylosopical things in like

5:30 I am totally high a decide to take 60 mg more because i didnt wanna hit a come down before 10!

6,7,8,9,10,11 ABSOLUtly fucked cant make out letters on my keyboard and having to type most things twice.

dancing a hellava lot and dont wanna stop moving! i feel like doing 20 different things at once
thats why im one facebook, also on poker stars playing $20 cash game. on skpe to some friends i keep ringing people and also litening to the Outhere Brothers - Boom Boom Boom Official Video on youtube!

i really wanna have sex and dance and talk all nighy

not sure when i am ment to come down this has been over 7 hours of being tottally high and seems to be no end

I cant wait to take this stuff clubbin on this stufff people been saying its not club friendly i think i would be okay dancing alot no monged feeling people described but then i have taken 210mg and feel fine to take anouther 120mg but wont cos i wanna sleep at some point before work


it feels like MDMA without the mental stimulation alot of the physical trates are there, lots of moving, sweatinh dancin,. jaw clentching seems like a bit of a problem which i am totally aware of but cant stop

same for the wanting to move
great erergy nice buzz but lack the sense of emtion of extasy
i dont feel as empowered to be a nice person like i am on MDMA. on mandy even if a guy was trying to stab me i would be able to make him change his point of view just with chatting bollocks

if someone offered me some MDMA i would happily do half a gram right now cos although im in a good mood n happy i just feel that MDMA puts me where i wanna be more so than this


I feel its a good alternative and a fun drug. just nothing as good as io would feel on 500 mg of mdma
This comming monday will try a 6-apb pellet and possible 120 mg of 5-apb also will try to score some MDMA for a friend whos never tried it im making a monday night his special evening1
 
Just thought it's worth mentioning, for those who read your post and want to repeat the experiment, that 210mg in a single session is EXTREMELY high for this! Even with 6-APB 150mg+ is regarded as a high dose, and 5-APB is significantly more potent by weight. I'd be very careful trying such doses, and expect a rough comedown and other negative side effects if you do.
 
500 mg of MDMA is also pretty high. 5-APB is broadly comparable mg for mg with MDMA as far as the single dose range is concerned (90 - 150 mgish). I'm not sure it has the same dose response curve, though. It sure as hell lasts a lot longer (and takes longer to onset). Don't go taking 500 mg 5-APB assuming it'll feel like 500 mg MDMA if that's what you're chasing after. I'd guess that's well into overdose territory. It's probably highly unhealthy to have monoamines releasing so strongly for so long.
 
I'm curious, for those who've tried both (preferably powder rather than pellets, but either work), why do you think 6-APB is more popular? Do you find it a superior experience, if so what do you prefer about it?

If you were to rate from 1-10 the Euphoria, Stimulation, Empathy, Tactile Sensation and Visuals from 6-APB and 5-APB individually, what ratings would you give them?

Thanks :)
 
I´ve trialed 5-apb several times to give it a chance in showing what it´s worth. I´ve given up now, 6-apb is the winner.

I´m not going to rate em since numbers vary from trip to trip but i´ll give a brief comparison. First of all, 6-apb has a more forgiving dosage curve. 5 can get out of hand pretty quickly. 5 is a lot more sedating, i´ve had times were i was getting too sleepy to do something with the buzz. 5-apb also has more side effects. A proper dose gives me a "burning" stomach -kinda hard to explain, i don´t mean acid troubles- like mescaline can cause.

Euphoria: almost none-existent in 5-apb, satisfying in 6
Visuals: both are on the same level, vibrations. (i´m not easily affected by visual distortion though)
Tactile sensation: both offer a different dimension. the euphoria from 6 however, makes it more enjoyable.
Stimulation: like i said, 5 is a lot more sedating. Stimulation noted on 6 but lack of a push.

Been a good 7 years or so since my illegals binging years but if my memory serves me right:Compared to mdma, they both lack in every department except the visual aspect. Mda overtakes them both in every department, also more outspoken visuals than just vibrations for me (rainbow- colored drops, tattoos and india-style decorated trucks to name a few. Stuff like that is clearly embedded in my mind´s eye =D). The apb´s get too 8( to make out visual effects.
 
I've tried both 5 and 6 on several occasions and have tried them both together once. Not sure I agree with Frequent Flyer.

Euphoria:5APB - 4. Euphoria is there but the whole experience is much more lucid and functional than MDMA. 6APB - 7. Much more euphoric. Really lovely feeling - particularly with doses of 6APB above the 100mg range.

Stimulation: 5APB - 8. This is where I don't agree regarding sedation. This stuff gave me so much energy, a wonderful clean feeling. Was at a club night for 8 hours, had 70mg of 5APB to begin with a small top-up (30mg) after a couple of hours. Going all night, lots of dancing. 6-APB is so much heavier. Wouldn't want to rate it. However, I have not tried it in a club - I'm going to this weekend. I'm hoping that, mixed with 5APB, it is going to be a lot of fun.

Empathy: 5APB - same with euphoria. It is there but 5APB was all about energy and lucidity. I wanted to talk to people, interact, kiss my girlfriend etc but I was perfectly happy just dancing and enjoying the feeling. 6APB - 8. Very close to MDMA at a dose of 150mg - nothing beats MDMA - but very close. In fact, the empathy I experienced during my last little experiment with 6APB allowed me to make a major breakthrough with regards to the thesis I am writing.

Tactile Sensation: 5-APB - 5, 6-APB - 6. Both quite similar. The functionality and lucidity of 5APB leaves it a little wanting in comparison to 6APB.

Visuals: 5APB - eye wobbles, nothing more. 6APB - OEVs, CEVs, light, colour enhancement. Probably about 3 out of 10. However, mixed with weed and MXE, 6APB gets very, very, very trippy - be careful not to take MXE too close to the peak. With that combo 6APB comes up to a 6.

Music Enhancement: Both excellent, nearly up there with MDMA.

On the occasion I tried 5 and 6 together, it was very apparent that the former is so much more potent than the latter. You need much less 5APB to roll than you do with the 6. 50mg of 5APB totally overpowered about 150mg of 6APB.

However, I bloody love 5APB for a couple of reasons. It is clean, crisp and bursting with energy. It has enough empathetic and euphoric qualities to make socialising (in a club seating) both easy and enjoyable. In addition, I have not had any comedown after taking 5APB. I don't really think you get any with 6APB either.

The plan for this weekend is to start with 100mg of 5APB (which I wouldn't recommend unless you've tried this stuff before) and then to top up with 80mg of 6APB. My hope is that I'll have the energy and drive from the 5APB coupled with some enhanced visuals from the 6APB. As ever, a trip report will follow sometime next week.
 
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Did it work longer for you than 6-APB?

Also, how were tactile sensations for you comparing to 6-APB and was it easier to speak with people than on 6-APB? My convos get somewhat weird on 6-APB.
 
IME Found 5-APB (Pellets) lasted less longer than 6-APB. 5-APB alot stronger munted feeling than 6-APB. Got eye wobbles for hours on 5-APB, on 6-APB i didn't but could have been because i was taking piracetam for a while.
 
Limitbreaker said:
Did it work longer for you than 6-APB?

Also, how were tactile sensations for you comparing to 6-APB and was it easier to speak with people than on 6-APB? My convos get somewhat weird on 6-APB.
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Both 5 and 6 seemed to have a similar duration although it required almost twice as much of 6 to keep going for the same length. 150 initial dose of 6 compared to 70 of 5. Chemically, 5 is significantly stronger than 6, up to 30% is a figure I've seen on these forums.

Touching and kissing on both 5 and 6 is wonderful. However, with 5 I always feel very lucid and clear-headed. I know I'm high, I know what is going on etc. Touch is amazing but I can take it or leave it. In other words, and stemming from its lucidity, I'm in control. In this respect, 6 seems closer to MDMA - touching, kissing, feeling is wonderful and I want to do it. I have strong urges to speak, to interact, to touch, to kiss (if I'm with my girlfriend that is :)). 6 generates stronger feelings and seems less open to control - but in a good way.

Speaking on both is very much fun. 5 is clear headed and easy. 6 is heavier and more empathetic. They both have there strengths. For talking to strangers or people you've just met, 5 would be easier. With 6, you might start getting a little deep and intense. In fact, I would say that a threshold dose of 5APB would be an excellent tool to meet people - romantically. You ooze with confidence and conversation seems to flow poetically. However, you're not out of control to the extent that you want to discuss deep and intense subjects.
 
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