The Big & Dandy 2C-P Thread
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HofmannBlotter
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Yeah go with it ! 2C-P is very good but strong 
) I like dosing between 5 and 14 mg ! Very potent btw...
) I like dosing between 5 and 14 mg ! Very potent btw...
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should be fine for a long time yeah. not sure how long exactly, but some years to decades supposedly.
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You're wasting material if you're trying to dose again the day after your last trip. Week between trips absolute minimum imo unless you enjoy using 2-3x your usual dose, wasting money, and leaving yourself fried and losing the magic
I consider it hardly a waste -snip- Maybe I'm different, maybe it was placebo, or something, but I took 8mg the day after I took 6mg and had a much much stronger trip. What is the fried feeling you talk about?
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No price discussion please, we don't allow it here. By a waste, although I referred to wasting money, I was really on about wasting the experience as a whole - when I first discovered psychedelics I liked to trip every week or even every 2-3 days for quite a long period of time, it seemed fun, I seemed to still be getting good effects, right? Well I stopped for a while, started spacing out my trips by at least a month, and it has led to some of the most wonderful magical experiences - the psychedelics I was taking previously feel oh so much deeper now, and while for example I was previously taking 20mg+ and finding it a "fun experience" with 2C-E, I can now take 10-15mg and have my mind utterly blown :D
Just like MDMA, taking it so often will be fun for a while - but you'll ruin the experience in the long run, and it takes a lot longer to get the "magic" back than it does to lose it in the first place.
Initial tolerance often takes a little longer to set in with the 2Cs, so sometimes dosing back to back over two days works out fine, but once it hits it takes a bit longer to return to normal than with tryptamines in my experience.
The "fried" feeling is basically how once you start tripping regularly, your cognitive function starts to take a bit of a knock, basically with all the information you're feeding your brain, it's bound to get worn out quickly, and soon you're left with short term memory problems, some minor language difficulties, difficulties processing math etc.
It's all temporary, and wears off after a few weeks of not tripping, but why get to that stage in the first place when you can space your trips out and enjoy them 10x more?
Although it's probably not going to change anything - when I was dosing 2C-E every 3-6 days, a lot of people told me the same, I ignored their advice, kept tripping, and it was a huge waste. I only stopped for a while because of other circumstances, but immediately as I spaced my trips out they took on a whole new level of integrity, better than even my first couple of experiences where I'd had no tolerance anyway :D
Just like MDMA, taking it so often will be fun for a while - but you'll ruin the experience in the long run, and it takes a lot longer to get the "magic" back than it does to lose it in the first place.
Initial tolerance often takes a little longer to set in with the 2Cs, so sometimes dosing back to back over two days works out fine, but once it hits it takes a bit longer to return to normal than with tryptamines in my experience.
The "fried" feeling is basically how once you start tripping regularly, your cognitive function starts to take a bit of a knock, basically with all the information you're feeding your brain, it's bound to get worn out quickly, and soon you're left with short term memory problems, some minor language difficulties, difficulties processing math etc.
It's all temporary, and wears off after a few weeks of not tripping, but why get to that stage in the first place when you can space your trips out and enjoy them 10x more?
Although it's probably not going to change anything - when I was dosing 2C-E every 3-6 days, a lot of people told me the same, I ignored their advice, kept tripping, and it was a huge waste. I only stopped for a while because of other circumstances, but immediately as I spaced my trips out they took on a whole new level of integrity, better than even my first couple of experiences where I'd had no tolerance anyway :D
People, please start small with this substance.
I used liquid measurements because I don't trust my scale with such a small amount. After reading this thread, I weighed out 50mg, dissolved it into 10ml water/vodka solution.
I figured 10mg would probably be a good starting point. Based on the info I'd read, it seemed like a mid-range point. Strong, but not overwhelming. Perhaps even underwhelming for some. I wasn't worried about the mental component being too strong, as I felt I could handle strong mental trips, and with most reports the body load seemed to be either minimal, or very pleasurable. So I dosed 2ml of my solution into a glass of water, and drank on an empty stomach.
I was horribly wrong.
I waited, chilled out, watched some shows. I felt fine during most of the standard 3 hour come-up time.
Then it hit.
The euphoric body high most have described.
Except for me.
What I felt was intense, searing pain.
It started in my shoulders, neck, and shoulder blades (where I've had previous injury and struggle with pain that occurs more days than not) and spread throughout my back. It eventually reached into my upper arms and legs. It wasn't the usual feeling of muscle soreness or ache. It felt like fire had been poured into my body.
I lost track of time, but I know this went on for 12+ hours before I was able to finally fall asleep.
To be sure, I was tripping - I had OEVs with colors shifting around the edges of objects, definitely an altered mental state - but I couldn't focus on it or enjoy the trip. The pain was too intense. Although, I must say, the mental component wasn't anything near overwhelming. It didn't send me into an "oh god I'm dying" sort of trip, which might be expected, and I was able to mentally keep it together. I realized I just had to outlast it.
Eventually, some four or six hours in, once I figured it wasn't just going to go away, I took some vicodin left over from a surgery. 5mg, then another 5mg a couple hours later. I've no opiate tolerance, and it barely touched it. A bit later I took some MXE for the anesthetic qualities, which helped, but only a little.
It was only some 12 hours later that I was able to fall asleep and escape from the pain.
I made it though. After waking the pain had settled back to the regular chronic soreness/stiffness. It's just been more intense and persistent since.
The one good thing is that this triggered me actually making an appointment with my doctor for the chronic pain, which is something I'd been resisting doing. Hopefully I'll be able to get referred to a physical therapist who can help the underlying problem.
I don't suspect having a bad substance. Just that my body couldn't tolerate it. But I think it could have been lessened (although probably not altogether avoided) if I would have started with a 5mg dose.
So please, if this is your first time with this substance, do start small. Be cautious. My reaction seems to be quite rare, and it seems like most people have been just fine with doses similar to what I took. But just in case you're one of the rare few like me - starting with 5mg rather than 10mg just might save you hours and hours of agony.
I used liquid measurements because I don't trust my scale with such a small amount. After reading this thread, I weighed out 50mg, dissolved it into 10ml water/vodka solution.
I figured 10mg would probably be a good starting point. Based on the info I'd read, it seemed like a mid-range point. Strong, but not overwhelming. Perhaps even underwhelming for some. I wasn't worried about the mental component being too strong, as I felt I could handle strong mental trips, and with most reports the body load seemed to be either minimal, or very pleasurable. So I dosed 2ml of my solution into a glass of water, and drank on an empty stomach.
I was horribly wrong.
I waited, chilled out, watched some shows. I felt fine during most of the standard 3 hour come-up time.
Then it hit.
The euphoric body high most have described.
Except for me.
What I felt was intense, searing pain.
It started in my shoulders, neck, and shoulder blades (where I've had previous injury and struggle with pain that occurs more days than not) and spread throughout my back. It eventually reached into my upper arms and legs. It wasn't the usual feeling of muscle soreness or ache. It felt like fire had been poured into my body.
I lost track of time, but I know this went on for 12+ hours before I was able to finally fall asleep.
To be sure, I was tripping - I had OEVs with colors shifting around the edges of objects, definitely an altered mental state - but I couldn't focus on it or enjoy the trip. The pain was too intense. Although, I must say, the mental component wasn't anything near overwhelming. It didn't send me into an "oh god I'm dying" sort of trip, which might be expected, and I was able to mentally keep it together. I realized I just had to outlast it.
Eventually, some four or six hours in, once I figured it wasn't just going to go away, I took some vicodin left over from a surgery. 5mg, then another 5mg a couple hours later. I've no opiate tolerance, and it barely touched it. A bit later I took some MXE for the anesthetic qualities, which helped, but only a little.
It was only some 12 hours later that I was able to fall asleep and escape from the pain.
I made it though. After waking the pain had settled back to the regular chronic soreness/stiffness. It's just been more intense and persistent since.
The one good thing is that this triggered me actually making an appointment with my doctor for the chronic pain, which is something I'd been resisting doing. Hopefully I'll be able to get referred to a physical therapist who can help the underlying problem.
I don't suspect having a bad substance. Just that my body couldn't tolerate it. But I think it could have been lessened (although probably not altogether avoided) if I would have started with a 5mg dose.
So please, if this is your first time with this substance, do start small. Be cautious. My reaction seems to be quite rare, and it seems like most people have been just fine with doses similar to what I took. But just in case you're one of the rare few like me - starting with 5mg rather than 10mg just might save you hours and hours of agony.
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2C-P, as well as 2C-D and 2C-E, seem to develop very little tolerance, ive had experiences of equal or lightly lesser magnitude from the same dose less than 48 hours later. as always personal experience will vary but the development of tolerance is nothing as severe as i have been through with tryptamines (or at least in my adventures with LSD, mushrooms, DMT, and 5-MeO-MiPT) hell theres even an erowid trip report of a guy dosing every day with 2C-P for two weeks straight and i believe his final dosage was only ~30mg
I haven't heard many reports of abnormally slow tolerance development with 2c-p. I think you guys who occasionally pop in here to tell everyone they can dose these psychedelics 48 hours later at full strength are having one off experiences or are the exception to the rule. 2c-p is no exception to phenethylamine psychedelics and most phenethylamine psychedelics I have tried have accrue tolerance fairly rapidly as with tryptamines and ergoloids. I don't think it's a good idea to suggest to people that they can dose psychs every other day anyway.
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I'm no stranger to this drug. Last time I took 2cp, dosed at 12-13mg, I had these strange chest pains. Weird random sharp pains, not happening frequent enough to concern me, but struck me as odd because I've dosed well higher than that. I believe it might have to do with taking it a couple days after using m1, but I can't be sure. I have no plans tonight, and no commitments tomorrow, and because it's been awhile since my last 2cp trip i'm going to take 10-11mg's tonight. I took some 2ci 3 weeks ago, and I didn't take quite enough to get where I wanted to be. That, and the peak just doesn't last long. A 3 hour+ peak is what I like.
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Wow. I just had something of a religious experience from watching Sin City. I felt like I was watching that movie for at least the last 8 hours, but it was only 2 and a half. LOL
I have never noticed any abnormal tolerances with 2cp, tends to be on par with other PEA's and 2c's. I'm curious about the consistency of 2cp, the stuff I have is straights chunks, but also very fine sticky powder. Could just be me, but I swear when you take the chunkier stuff, it's a far superior high. Maybe impurities? Anyone notice anything similar?
I have never noticed any abnormal tolerances with 2cp, tends to be on par with other PEA's and 2c's. I'm curious about the consistency of 2cp, the stuff I have is straights chunks, but also very fine sticky powder. Could just be me, but I swear when you take the chunkier stuff, it's a far superior high. Maybe impurities? Anyone notice anything similar?
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My 2cP is fluffy, white chunks. My 2cC looks very similar. It would suck to mix those two up... Oh no 50mg of 2cP.... or ughhh 10mg 2cC... haha
I'm not too sure about the P, but the 2cC can be a little sticky.
I'm not too sure about the P, but the 2cC can be a little sticky.
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The 2cp powder I got is very sticky, will stick the the metal micro spatula which is kind of annoying. Very fluffy also, except the chunks/rocks of course. Stuff I got is an older batch probably at least a year and a half old. It came with paperwork and it was above 99% pure, it was a custom synth for the vendor. Everyone that tried it had nothing but great things to say about it, except the few with shitty scales who didn't know what they were in for. I've had other 2cp once, and it is no comparison. Especially if you go for the chunkier parts. I'm going to have to do a direct comparison sometime to see if it's just my imagination.
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What do you guys find are fun activities to do on 2C-P? I generally prefer different things depending on the psychedelic I'm on. For example aMT was best for talking/socialising, 2C-E was best for music and creative writing.
Also, I only have 20mg, I was thinking of splitting it into two doses of 10mg each - but I tend to like very intense experiences, and I'd hate to be underwhelmed since if I take 10mg and don't find it quite intense enough my second dose is the same so I can't go any further next time. I'm considering maybe taking 6-8mg just so I can take 12-14mg my second time, thoughts?
Also, I only have 20mg, I was thinking of splitting it into two doses of 10mg each - but I tend to like very intense experiences, and I'd hate to be underwhelmed since if I take 10mg and don't find it quite intense enough my second dose is the same so I can't go any further next time. I'm considering maybe taking 6-8mg just so I can take 12-14mg my second time, thoughts?
Are you against plugging as an ROA? It's definitely possible to go higher with just 10mg if you use this ROA.
Also, for 2c-p I'd say similar activities to 2c-e (since they're quite similar in a lot of ways) OR sex, because 2c-p has quite a 2c-b like bodyload for me. Of course, you'll find out yourself which properties 2c-p bestows upon you.
Also, for 2c-p I'd say similar activities to 2c-e (since they're quite similar in a lot of ways) OR sex, because 2c-p has quite a 2c-b like bodyload for me. Of course, you'll find out yourself which properties 2c-p bestows upon you.
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Not against it, but no oral syringe to hand at the moment and I was thinking of dosing in the next half hour - since tonight's the perfect night for it, and I don't want to leave it any later, since it's already 11pm and I don't want to be tripping past say 2-3pm tomorrow at the latest if at all possible.
My point is that you can drop 10mg, and if this isn't intense enough for you, you can always go and buy an oral syringe and plug some the next time Or conversely if you wanted to have an intense trip tonight, you could do 12mg and plug 6-8 another time, etc.
Or conversely if you wanted to have an intense trip tonight, you could do 12mg and plug 6-8 another time, etc.
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What do you guys find are fun activities to do on 2C-P? I generally prefer different things depending on the psychedelic I'm on. For example aMT was best for talking/socialising, 2C-E was best for music and creative writing.
Also, I only have 20mg, I was thinking of splitting it into two doses of 10mg each - but I tend to like very intense experiences, and I'd hate to be underwhelmed since if I take 10mg and don't find it quite intense enough my second dose is the same so I can't go any further next time. I'm considering maybe taking 6-8mg just so I can take 12-14mg my second time, thoughts?
If it's quality stuff, 10mg's is a good time. This time of year, I usually just watch movies, and as I said in a post above I watched Sin City the other night on 12mg's and it was incredible. But in the summer, I like to go for walks through a nature preserve near my house, and just enjoy the warm weather. 2cp is my fav 2c. It takes a little while to come on, but because of that it really eases you into the trip (I had a little anxiety during this the first time i took it). It's not like 4acodmt where it feels like it just drops a psychedelic brick on your mind. The stuff I got does not have much of a body to me other then a little muscle tension, but everyone is different. Here is a link to my first experience which was not far off 10mgs, it definitly convinced me to get more.
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=91164
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My point is that you can drop 10mg, and if this isn't intense enough for you, you can always go and buy an oral syringe and plug some the next time
That's true. I actually ended up taking 5-APB tonight. I'll save the 2C-P for another time when I'm more sure of what dose to take
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12mg oral had me frying for a good 14 hours. The visuals seemed to come and go but the I had a distinct, but very clear and positive stimulant flow going, the whole time.
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