My friend took one blotter of 25b nbome for his first time, 6 hours later during the end of the trip he experienced a seizure. he is in the hospital now. Can anyone tell me what happen? I havent aquired any news since and am griefing. Can anyone please tell me what happened?
Phenethylamines The Big & Dandy 25B-NBOMe (NBOMe-2C-B) Thread
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It's possible the person laying it put too much on the blotter.
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Probably took too much. When I took half of a tab (so it was supposed to be 650ug -- see my post above for more info), it was very intense, and I felt the seizure potential with higher doses.
I hope he has a speedy recovery!
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I have documented on multiple occasions that in certain scenarios in at least one individual the duration of induced effects can be over 24 hours. This can occur at doses less than 500ug sublingualy and seemingly spontaneously after previously successful exposure.
This chemical appears to be capable of extending its half life through suppression of hepatic and/or renal elimination processes. I fear in such a scenario (in high enough doses) it could last several days and build up to a potentially fatal level.
WARNING: 25B-NBOME DOESN'T APPEAR WORTH IT AND MIGHT BE LETHAL WITHIN THE CURRENT ACCEPTED THERAPEUTIC DOSE RANGE IN A PERFECT STORM SCENARIO.
Can anyone else corroborate this?
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This chemical appears to be capable of extending its half life through suppression of hepatic and/or renal elimination processes. I fear in such a scenario (in high enough doses) it could last several days and build up to a potentially fatal level.
WARNING: 25B-NBOME DOESN'T APPEAR WORTH IT AND MIGHT BE LETHAL WITHIN THE CURRENT ACCEPTED THERAPEUTIC DOSE RANGE IN A PERFECT STORM SCENARIO.
Can anyone else corroborate this?
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http://www.shulginresearch.org
http://www.freeleonardpickard.org
http://www.maps.org
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When I wrote this^ I was 24 hours into a 200ug sublingual dose I had an idiosyncratic reaction to. Two days in the trip was still very obvious and not pleasant. I successfully terminated the experience with 10mg of 4-aco-det. I don't fully understand why this happened or why the 4-aco-det terminated the trip. A review of the literature showed a similar situation had been previously documented.
"(with 1.6 mg[of racemic doi]) The general nature of the experience was depressing, with a sad view of life. There was no way I could connect with my emotions. Even my sadness was vague. At about the ninth hour I decided that enough was enough, and this strangely disappointing about-plus-two was aborted with 125 micrograms of LSD. The emotions became present and living within a half hour. I was greatly relieved. The erotic was not a mechanical attempt but a deeply involved feeling with an archetype of orgasm easily available. It was shaped like a flower, richly colored, with an unusual "S" shape to it. This was a lovely end to a difficult day."
Shulgin 1991 (http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/pihkal/pihkal067.shtml)
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4 blotters
1.: +++ dubstep is made for this
2.: +++ jazz listening in my bed
3.: ++ mdma component, most boring trip of my life, then bad hppd a week
4.: +++ decided to take this the last time, reused blotter from last time big nausea till i dosed another blotter, could not sleep because 2 much euphoria i saw the ugly star of sugar
1.: +++ dubstep is made for this
2.: +++ jazz listening in my bed
3.: ++ mdma component, most boring trip of my life, then bad hppd a week
4.: +++ decided to take this the last time, reused blotter from last time big nausea till i dosed another blotter, could not sleep because 2 much euphoria i saw the ugly star of sugar
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I've had a single 375 ug 25B-NBOMe blotter hanging around for a few years and think I'll get around to doing it some time soon, I'm just not sure how worthwhile this dose will be.
I enjoyed 25I at 600 ug, my only trip with it; very beautiful visuals, humorous but not very interesting head space. I've also tried 25C at 375 ug (slight euphoria and colour saturation, not much else positive) and 750 ug (much more visual, euphoric and anxiety-free thanks to etizolam).While I've found these doses enjoyable, I also found them lacking to certain degrees and wouldn't mind upping the dose.
I enjoyed 25I at 600 ug, my only trip with it; very beautiful visuals, humorous but not very interesting head space. I've also tried 25C at 375 ug (slight euphoria and colour saturation, not much else positive) and 750 ug (much more visual, euphoric and anxiety-free thanks to etizolam).While I've found these doses enjoyable, I also found them lacking to certain degrees and wouldn't mind upping the dose.
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I just found a report of a death from 25B-NBOMe on Erowid ( https://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=103021 ). Very tragic report, I feel terribly for the family. I thought it was pretty important that the author noted that he and his brother had taken 3 tabs of the same batch prior to the tragedy, with no ill effects. Goes to show that inconsistency in blotter strength can result fatally, or that this compound is extremely unpredictable.
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Yeah I came here to post pretty much the same...
As I have been saying for a while: I don't trust these compounds, the toxic potential is a "black swan" i.e. an unknown (unforeseen) unknown type of factor. Until we at least understand why these compounds can be dangerous I don't see why I shouldn't just stick to the many many other wonderful psychedelics in our arsenal. And I don't see why others shouldn't either.
As I have been saying for a while: I don't trust these compounds, the toxic potential is a "black swan" i.e. an unknown (unforeseen) unknown type of factor. Until we at least understand why these compounds can be dangerous I don't see why I shouldn't just stick to the many many other wonderful psychedelics in our arsenal. And I don't see why others shouldn't either.
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I have experimented with this chemical extensively. A couple months ago I had an idiosyncratic response involving sub-lingual administration. I noticed what appeared to be an extended duration trailing off over several days. I had never noticed this previously. I discontinued use.
Recently I decided to consume this chemical and document my reaction. The trip report can be found here: http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/718880-25B-NBOMe-400ug-An-Unintended-Physical-Reaction l. I repeated this a few days later with about the same dose and the same thing happened again. A short period of intense visuals followed by several days of confusion, tendency towards panic attacks, and blurred vision. Upon closer inspection I noticed the fog I was experiencing in my vision was intensely psychedelic when I would focus. When I stopped focussing and would continue my daily activities this would subside to an amorphous undulating fog of blurred vision.
This chemical has a high lipopholicity (logP ~3.84) which makes me wonder if what I am experiencing is a bi-phasic half life. A short distribution phase (probably into lipids) I interpret as a psychedelic trip. This might be followed by a much longer phase of slow elimination I perceive as less intense psychedelic visual fog, this phase appears representative of the terminal elimination half-life. This could explain why people using 25x-NBOMe more than once every few weeks require greater doses and why the tolerance last longer than other psychedelics. I am uncertain in regards to why I didn't notice this second longer phase the first dozen times I consumed this chemical. I guess I was incapable of recognizing the subtle details and overlooked this. This is only a theory.
I have found some benefits from this chemical. Their might be therapeutic effects in regards to it, probably requiring lower than psychedelic doses. The few positives I have experienced are outweighed by the negatives. I haven't had access to LSD in over half a decade and will probably never have access again. My previous experience with LSD and evidence from others show LSD is much more enjoyable, safer, and has many of the same benefits. I was once hopeful and optimistic the NBOMe series would be a safe, valuable, and enjoyable substitute for the therapeutic effects I once received from LSD. I did experience some minor therapeutic effects, these were overwhelmed by the negative effects. My youthful faith and optimism was misplaced. America is a country in crisis and it's irrational and inhumane drug policies are a manifestation of the magnitude of its social problems. Uncle Sam would much rather people have a chemical that causes death, psychosis, and almost guaranteed failure when used therapeutically rather than LSD. I learned an important and identity crushing lesson about the nature of the country l live in.
I don't plan to use this chemical again and recommend others don't use this chemical either.
If you have hopes in regards to the beauty of LSD or its potential they are justified. If you believe the NBOMe chemicals currently available are a substitute your optimism is naive. In the name of social stability in a time of crisis a human life is insignificant relative to an ant in America. The drug laws of this country are representative of this.
Recently I decided to consume this chemical and document my reaction. The trip report can be found here: http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/718880-25B-NBOMe-400ug-An-Unintended-Physical-Reaction l. I repeated this a few days later with about the same dose and the same thing happened again. A short period of intense visuals followed by several days of confusion, tendency towards panic attacks, and blurred vision. Upon closer inspection I noticed the fog I was experiencing in my vision was intensely psychedelic when I would focus. When I stopped focussing and would continue my daily activities this would subside to an amorphous undulating fog of blurred vision.
This chemical has a high lipopholicity (logP ~3.84) which makes me wonder if what I am experiencing is a bi-phasic half life. A short distribution phase (probably into lipids) I interpret as a psychedelic trip. This might be followed by a much longer phase of slow elimination I perceive as less intense psychedelic visual fog, this phase appears representative of the terminal elimination half-life. This could explain why people using 25x-NBOMe more than once every few weeks require greater doses and why the tolerance last longer than other psychedelics. I am uncertain in regards to why I didn't notice this second longer phase the first dozen times I consumed this chemical. I guess I was incapable of recognizing the subtle details and overlooked this. This is only a theory.
I have found some benefits from this chemical. Their might be therapeutic effects in regards to it, probably requiring lower than psychedelic doses. The few positives I have experienced are outweighed by the negatives. I haven't had access to LSD in over half a decade and will probably never have access again. My previous experience with LSD and evidence from others show LSD is much more enjoyable, safer, and has many of the same benefits. I was once hopeful and optimistic the NBOMe series would be a safe, valuable, and enjoyable substitute for the therapeutic effects I once received from LSD. I did experience some minor therapeutic effects, these were overwhelmed by the negative effects. My youthful faith and optimism was misplaced. America is a country in crisis and it's irrational and inhumane drug policies are a manifestation of the magnitude of its social problems. Uncle Sam would much rather people have a chemical that causes death, psychosis, and almost guaranteed failure when used therapeutically rather than LSD. I learned an important and identity crushing lesson about the nature of the country l live in.
I don't plan to use this chemical again and recommend others don't use this chemical either.
If you have hopes in regards to the beauty of LSD or its potential they are justified. If you believe the NBOMe chemicals currently available are a substitute your optimism is naive. In the name of social stability in a time of crisis a human life is insignificant relative to an ant in America. The drug laws of this country are representative of this.
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Compounds like this shit and NBOH's removed staple canadian vendor compounds because of some guys from here ordering that nbome and nboh shit in.
Thankfully I have some 2c-E and 2c-b-fly safely stashed, but they are now illegal, after being legal for 17 years since their apparition on the first canadian vendor.
You motherfuckers don't know what you've done! First you promote something on blotter, tell people it's LSD, people take 3 blotter, dont have a linear LSD dosage like increase in intensity but a ³ intensity and side effect profile which have resulted in deaths., I can't think of a single death from 2c-x, except the famous early 2000's 2c-t-7 snorting disaster.
Thankfully I have some 2c-E and 2c-b-fly safely stashed, but they are now illegal, after being legal for 17 years since their apparition on the first canadian vendor.
You motherfuckers don't know what you've done! First you promote something on blotter, tell people it's LSD, people take 3 blotter, dont have a linear LSD dosage like increase in intensity but a ³ intensity and side effect profile which have resulted in deaths., I can't think of a single death from 2c-x, except the famous early 2000's 2c-t-7 snorting disaster.
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Great report, the lipophilic activity that makes the thing last 2-3 days resembles a little what people who would eat their PCP here get on, PCP is higly lipophilic too and some psychedelia and strangeness remained for at least 3 days after sometimes depending on the dose, 20mg will def do that.
And yes, everytime I try to trip now I end up thinking that my country that used to be thought of the Switzerland of the Americas (Canada) is now, less so since late 2015, but is also a bringer of torture (I should have said death, we don't actually torture, but if I could put in that song title in there I would heh. Anyways, lysergamide related to LSD are the answer, fuck nbomes and nboh's.
Great report, the lipophilic activity that makes the thing last 2-3 days resembles a little what people who would eat their PCP here get on, PCP is higly lipophilic too and some psychedelia and strangeness remained for at least 3 days after sometimes depending on the dose, 20mg will def do that.
And yes, everytime I try to trip now I end up thinking that my country that used to be thought of the Switzerland of the Americas (Canada) is now, less so since late 2015, but is also a bringer of torture (I should have said death, we don't actually torture, but if I could put in that song title in there I would heh. Anyways, lysergamide related to LSD are the answer, fuck nbomes and nboh's.
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Yeah, DOI sucked ass indeed. Don't care it's gone, although I only have 40mg of 2c-I left in my safe. I love how Shulgin was always so lucky to have his wife have sex with him when trying those compounds with him almost every time. I never had a kaleidoscopic orgasm with my previous girlfriend who was both heavily into psychs with me at the time, when she left me, it hurt so bad I start slamming not DPT but hydromorphone to kill the pain. Anyway, i've had very nice CEV's when climaxing though, the flower thing I could see a couple of times this way, the fractal of life I guess.
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Hi,
I've aquired a nasalspray of 25b-NBOMe @ 150ug/s. I have quite some experience with 25e-NBOH and 25i-NBOMe nasally. Both are extremely fun and visual but everytime I use it I can't really enjoy it to the max because i'm scared of the side effects. 700ug 25i nasally is the max I go. Extreme visuals with entities OEV and CEV. Last trip i've seen shit like Hulk hogan on a flamingo wearing a sombrero. Now i've read that 25b-NBOMe is even more visual, but also much more potent. With 25i I usually start with three sprays (450ug), and never exceed 700ug.
What's the dosing range on 25b. I'm thinking of starting with 150ug and maybe titrate up to 450ug max, but also a tad bit scared for potential side effects.
I've aquired a nasalspray of 25b-NBOMe @ 150ug/s. I have quite some experience with 25e-NBOH and 25i-NBOMe nasally. Both are extremely fun and visual but everytime I use it I can't really enjoy it to the max because i'm scared of the side effects. 700ug 25i nasally is the max I go. Extreme visuals with entities OEV and CEV. Last trip i've seen shit like Hulk hogan on a flamingo wearing a sombrero. Now i've read that 25b-NBOMe is even more visual, but also much more potent. With 25i I usually start with three sprays (450ug), and never exceed 700ug.
What's the dosing range on 25b. I'm thinking of starting with 150ug and maybe titrate up to 450ug max, but also a tad bit scared for potential side effects.
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I will. That's why i'm asking about dosages here.
I guess not alot of people have nasal experience. I'll start with 150ug and spray once more after maybe 45 min or so.
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I have done it but it has been many, many years, as this isn't really available anymore. It is more potent by weight than 25i-nbome...
But I think you are on the right track with that... 150ug still isn't much of a dose so you probably won't have much effect from that. I used to take 700-1000ug, but only after I became comfortable with the compound. Wanna say I started with 300-400ug.