The Benzodiazepine Thread v. IV

[justsayknow]

Let's not get too cozy in fantasy land though. Saying that something "should be fine" doesn't really mean anything.

Yeah I probably should have qualified that statement with. As long as you aren't going to keep drinking and keep popping benzo's. It gets easier to do once you've had some already. 3 standard drinks and and 20mg of diazepam is definitely going to lower your inhibitions and make it easier for you to up your dose/drinks and end up waking up with chunks missing from the day before. I usually keep my shit together but I have had that happen in the past.

 

[tyrael]

Let's not get too cozy in fantasy land though. Saying that something "should be fine" doesn't really mean anything. ....

QFT! Although everyone on BL - although a great HM/HR resource with many users educated (with educations from those with just a random interest to GPs/addiction specialists/formally studying/etc.) - one shouldn't forget in the end posts could be coming from anyone (including LE!) and all advice should be taken as such! That is, put as much credence in the replies as you will.

Good post Halif!

....Benzos creep in under the radar of self-regulaton and tell you that you are fine and normal as ever.

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It's the black outs that scare me. It's really fucking creepy.....

Definitely. I find benzos are "creeper"-type drugs innately especially in the case of polydrug use (benzos + other GABAergic drugs such as alcohol). I think everyone who has experienced benzo use has at some point became lax and could tell a "horror" story (or two). I nearly burnt my house down!

 

[smokedup]

the meaning of creeper drugs, my first horror experience involved me getting my car stolen, wearing someone elses pants and hitchiking home with two female strangers. I stand by the saying what you dont know, wont hurt you. Lets go with that...

 

[stompbox]

just wondering, ive used clonazepam for ages and have recently gone to rehab. off everything for 3 months. and still am not feeling shit off 4mg clonazepam...ive doubled the dose and I still feel close to nothing. any ideas?

 

[tyrael]

just wondering, ive used clonazepam for ages and have recently gone to rehab. off everything for 3 months. and still am not feeling shit off 4mg clonazepam...ive doubled the dose and I still feel close to nothing. any ideas?

Benzodiazepines in particular are known for a long time for ones tolerance to return (if rarely at all imo!). Preferably (if you were in rehab for benzo addiction) don't start using again - you'll just end up once again becoming addicted. If benzos weren't a problem, no one can really tell you how long to abstain for until your tolerance drops, it's very individualistic. Really the best advice would be to abstain for as long as you can - the longer, the greater drop in tolerance.

 

[justsayknow]

Let's not get too cozy in fantasy land though. Saying that something "should be fine" doesn't really mean anything.

Agreed about not being too nonchalant with that particular mix. What would be your recommendation though? If someone was going to do it anyway. Obviously the best answer is not to mix alcohol and benzos. But would you say 20mg diazepam and 3 standard drinks is excessive?

 

[Halif]

^What I'm saying is that it's an exercise in futility in giving recommendations to someone who's mixing booze and benzos. I mean, as you said, the best thing is don't do it. I know that is a boring answer and people will do it anyway - After reading a hundred stories I went ahead and did it, too. I even took phenazepam after reading about people ruining their lives dozens of times over.

So I won't judge anyone for taking that, or any other substance combo.

However, I won't give any advice on how much to take or anything else related to it, because it won't make any difference. Any individual, on any particular day, might have a different reaction to the same quantity due to a whole host of extraneous variables.

Another thing is that benzos are the King when it comes to removing the part of your brain which tells you to stop. So If I say two beer and 20mg diaz should be fine, there's equally as much likelihood that you'll end taking all the benzos you have (without remember taking them) and drinking a six pack, and then getting into your car drunk and going to buy a slab at 4am.

The 'funny' thing about benzos is that the weird and scary stories you read sound so over the top you often think that'll never happen to you because you have a pretty good sense of control... but on benzos that's the first thing to go.

If you must, do it in a way you think you can handle, and prepare to be responsible for any outcome. That's the only real advice I can give.

 

[oldirtybizza]

Am I the only one who doesn't find benzos recreational? I rarely even go through my 5mg diazepam script which is around 50 a year for use as needed. alprazolam is a little more exciting but nothing special, good for long buses, falling asleep on planes etc.
I find they just flatten everything out make you apathetic and especially ruin an opiate high.

Booze is bad enough I can't imagine why anyone except for the "let's get fckd up" younger crowd , would want to do such a combo. Not saying I haven't done that combo, but yeah I've learned my lesson, a cool 1 grand in cash lesson.

 

[justsayknow]

If you must, do it in a way you think you can handle, and prepare to be responsible for any outcome. That's the only real advice I can give.

Fair call. It can get out of control pretty easily.

 

[opi8]

For some people, anxiety is constant. Benzos can be euphoric in a way that those who don't suffer from anxiety will never realise. The same thing can be said of opiates. Nobody can understand something fully without actually experiencing other people's feelings.

If you suffer from any kind of ailment which has negatively affected your life for a large amount of time, then find a medicine that fixes the ailment, or at the very least, greatly reduces it, that can be euphoric in its own way. Not a massive release of dopamine kind of a way, but simple relief in itself can be euphoric.

My point may not have been described very eloquently, but I blame that on a couple of drugs i've consumed today, alcohol and alprazolam that kind of make my posts a bit odd and goes against everything this thread was trying to state in a harm reduction sense. Although the xanax was taken earlier in the day due to an event which would normally be impossible for me to cope without some kind of anxiolotic and the alcohol was drunk because I made it through today, and I guess the fact that I'm an alcoholic played a part as well.

 

[Dr Phibes]

Dropping benzos and a big night on the piss is not a good idea, but a few vals and 2 or 3 beers is unlikely to be anything but good. HR is all good but lets not get carried away.

 

[mork]

Recently prescribed clonazepam - the last four weeks have been a hazy blur and have done some wreckless shit!

I just don't know how someone can function off these - I'm forgetting so much shit at work its being noticed. So when the bottle is gone I'm going back to old faithful olanzapine

Peace all

 

[Snake_Eyes]

Am I the only one who doesn't find benzos recreational? I rarely even go through my 5mg diazepam script which is around 50 a year for use as needed. alprazolam is a little more exciting but nothing special, good for long buses, falling asleep on planes etc.
I find they just flatten everything out make you apathetic and especially ruin an opiate high.

Booze is bad enough I can't imagine why anyone except for the "let's get fckd up" younger crowd , would want to do such a combo. Not saying I haven't done that combo, but yeah I've learned my lesson, a cool 1 grand in cash lesson.

I 'm far from the young crowd but I have my demons so I often do the booze and benzo thing, temazepam to be exact. Neither are in high amounts but enough to get a nice buzz before I pass out.

 

[footscrazy]

Am I the only one who doesn't find benzos recreational? I rarely even go through my 5mg diazepam script which is around 50 a year for use as needed. alprazolam is a little more exciting but nothing special, good for long buses, falling asleep on planes etc.

No, I have the same experience oldirtybizza, I don't find benzos recreational at all. I don't feel much off them, and they don't do much, if anything, for my anxiety. I've tended towards anxiety all my life though - I'm highly strung and went through one stretch of panic disorder in which even leaving the house felt absolutely catastrophic. I just have to conclude that not all anxiety is the same, and therefore drugs like benzos that target one pathway for anxiety can do nothing for another. From my basic understanding, benzos help inhibit and slow down over excitement in the brain, reducing anxiety in that way, but I believe another pathway for anxiety exists when parts of the brain responsible for inhibition is under stimulated, similar to in ADHD. It seems to fit in that I found methamphetamine the perfect cure for my anxiety and nervousness, though I know it must be enormously more complicated than that.

Halif, I agree entirely; yours is an important post. Despite not feeling much from benzos alone, combining even a small amount with alcohol is an instant black out for me. Nothing like waking up lazily and walking out to see your friends with horrified expressions on their faces and the instruction to 'never do that again' I've always been too scared to find out what happened that night.

 

[opi8]

Halif, I agree entirely; yours is an important post. Despite not feeling much from benzos alone, combining even a small amount with alcohol is an instant black out for me. Nothing like waking up lazily and walking out to see your friends with horrified expressions on their faces and the instruction to 'never do that again' I've always been too scared to find out what happened that night.

I've done that with just alcohol. Of course, the benzo + alcohol combo is pretty much a recipe for blackouts and stupid forum posts and ridiculous phone calls and/or behaviour that just gets clean wiped from your brains hard drive.

 

[sirnatural]

^ your exactly right. I was on 4mg of kol for 10 years ,sometimes bought more of the street xanax valium lortab adderal, in addition to drinking daily becaces of anxiety. ive been clean for 2 years and just being able to deal with me issues is a miracle. things are so much better when you dont run and youll find yourself not running and dealing and making a happy life for yourself.

 

[Jabberwocky]

In regards to my original question, I was actually asking whether 20mg diaz + 3 beers would be dangerous in regards to CNS depression and possible death or if it is relatively safe in that manner. I know that combining depressants can lead decreased heart rate/death etc and I guess I was asking if benzos and alcohol combined are actually extremely easy to die on. I'm gathering from what has been posted that it is more an issue of blacking out and doing something dangerous whilst in that state rather than brain shutting down and dying like an opiate overdose or whatever.

 

[spacejunk]

^ correlation =/= causation...but:

so 770mg codeine and 4mg of Clonazepam isnt a good idea?......damn it! i gives such nice numbness

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...dub)-Megathread-third-time-s-the-charm/page22

...then:

my past 72 hours have been 2 car accidents, one requiring ambulance to hospital, stitches, cuts and bruising, my wife is ready to leave me and she will take my boys, ive found myself in a psychiatric hospital being monitored 24/7, I may miss christmas, i spent all our money over the couple of months, im supposed to be employed and had to tell the boss what is going on

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/702056-Manic-and-locked-up

(These were both posted in the last ~24 hrs)

Benzos in combination (be it with opiates or alcohol) are well known to cause people to do fucked up things. Not just risk respiratory depression/overdose.

Behavioural harms need to be considered, as well as those relating to toxicity, not just those relating to overdose or respiratory depression.
Toying with this combo is playing with fire, essentially.

NB - no disrespect to Mork, the poster I've quoted; it just seems to illustrate this point rather well. I sincerely hope you're doing ok, Mork.

 

[Captain Brewster]

Well, this pretty much sums it up, you couldn't find a better example than whats happened here.

I'd like to say the same, no disrespect mork, and I hope things pan out a bit better for you. But this is one of the reasons why I wouldent recommend the combo you posted in the CWE thread, to someone with no experience. Respiratory depression being the main concern.

Good spot space. And spot on with behaviour also being something you need to take into account when using these handy tools recreationally.

 

[mork]

Yup! I put my hand up......i fucked up because I was fucked up~! Lost almost everything - i've been pushing the limits for 18+ years now, doing other combos that are probably more dangerous ie meth+MAOI etc - I think the tether rope is now tight! I wish I could just grow up but mother addiction holds me down.....BITCH!