Bupe Suboxone can ruin your life

[GetMeOutOfThisCRAP]

To cut the long story short. Start Suboxone treatment ONLY if your life is in danger. For all other reasons (tolerance, pain & depression management...) don't do it. It's like getting a mosquito with the nuclear weapon. Way too strong and unpredictable. After a perfect period of 8-9 months side effects started to show?! Literally overnight. Same dose, same brand, same expire date... I'll probably never know why but that's not important anymore. After being between life and death for 3 months l finally managed to tapper down. Four weeks after l'm still weak, depressed and tired. Pain is back as well. Sometimes unbearable but I don't complain. I managed to get through this nightmare alive. Hopefully one day these symptoms will cease and I'll feel normal again? Please think twice before starting a Sub. therapy as plenty of side effects are not listed at all. Intentionally!

Suboxone = still an opioid. It is a step up from ruining your entire life with a chronic heroin addiction or high dose oxy dependency for years. There's going to be some residual depression getting off it, and you can expect lethargy as well. Some say sub withdrawal is horrible beyond words--but I'm guessing those are the ones not properly assisted with tapering off or something like it. Because suboxone is very long-lasting, most find the withdrawal to be less severe than oxy withdrawal for sure. The downside is that while the withdrawal is notably milder in symptoms than normal opiate withdrawal, suboxone withdrawal has longer legs. You'll feel way better in a couple of days, lol. The depression is just something you HAVE to endure as long as you aren't suicidal. I know its quite uncomfortable, but it really only is such an insignificant amount of time for how long the human lifespan is in comparison to feel better again.

 

[Man67]

You lost all credibility at reiki my dude.

But yea opioids cause hyperalgesia and release pro inflammatory cytokines so they can cause more pain.

You have no idea what years of unrelenting chronic pain is like. When the choice is a bullet in your head or opioids that are going to eventually crests problems most ppl go for the opioids first…if you’ve never had to make that decision you know nothing about chronic pain even if you’re an MD pain specialist

Well said. I feel exactly the same.

 

[Man67]

Suboxone = still an opioid. It is a step up from ruining your entire life with a chronic heroin addiction or high dose oxy dependency for years. There's going to be some residual depression getting off it, and you can expect lethargy as well. Some say sub withdrawal is horrible beyond words--but I'm guessing those are the ones not properly assisted with tapering off or something like it. Because suboxone is very long-lasting, most find the withdrawal to be less severe than oxy withdrawal for sure. The downside is that while the withdrawal is notably milder in symptoms than normal opiate withdrawal, suboxone withdrawal has longer legs. You'll feel way better in a couple of days, lol. The depression is just something you HAVE to endure as long as you aren't suicidal. I know its quite uncomfortable, but it really only is such an insignificant amount of time for how long the human lifespan is in comparison to feel better again.

10 mg of legally prescribed Oxy per day is a bare minimum. Much better and safer than any other alternative.

 

[gordonliddy]

You have no idea what years of unrelenting chronic pain is like.

Yes I do. For what it's worth I toughed it out.

When the choice is a bullet in your head or opioids that are going to eventually crests problems most ppl go for the opioids first…

Agreed. I would too. Don't kill yourself. Call me before you do that. Even I'd tell you to take a hit before dying. I'd take a hit before dying. But that's because I'm smart and I wouldn't take a hit just to take a hit, I'd take a hit to forestall pain and work on my plan. Because as I said dope is no solution, it's a surgical aide or a stopgap measure. All my friends out there who believe otherwise are getting played. There is no hope in dope.

if you’ve never had to make that decision you know nothing about chronic pain even if you’re an MD pain specialist

Sure. Technically what you say is true. But that's the glass half empty view. In other words a tautalogy. What you're saying, though true, is ******-talk, the average excuse to go party even though something inside you doesn't really want to go party any more. If no one else can understand your pain as you say, then you're justifying a context in which nobody has the right to tell you to cut back. Sure, Friend of Blue Light, if you are truly suffering infinite pain this must provide, as you say, justification for an abnormal amount of partying. For the 1% of us who truly have it that bad.
But that's a choice. I can pretend that I have the moral authority to make that choice for you, but I don't have the tactical capability to make that choice for you. If it's not your choice it won't work.
The glass-half full compliment to the choice you implied is to accept that yes, maybe somebody somewhere can understand your pain. I know someone in fact. Maybe you should have a conversation with them about cutting back, if partying has stopped being fun. And maybe dope is not a reasonable choice to treat chronic pain except for the 1% of us who justifiably have extreme chronic pain.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

Yes I do. For what it's worth I toughed it out.



Agreed. I would too. Don't kill yourself. Call me before you do that. Even I'd tell you to take a hit before dying. I'd take a hit before dying. But that's because I'm smart and I wouldn't take a hit just to take a hit, I'd take a hit to forestall pain and work on my plan. Because as I said dope is no solution, it's a surgical aide or a stopgap measure. All my friends out there who believe otherwise are getting played. There is no hope in dope.



Sure. Technically what you say is true. But that's the glass half empty view. In other words a tautalogy. What you're saying, though true, is ******-talk, the average excuse to go party even though something inside you doesn't really want to go party any more. If no one else can understand your pain as you say, then you're justifying a context in which nobody has the right to tell you to cut back. Sure, Friend of Blue Light, if you are truly suffering infinite pain this must provide, as you say, justification for an abnormal amount of partying. For the 1% of us who truly have it that bad.
But that's a choice. I can pretend that I have the moral authority to make that choice for you, but I don't have the tactical capability to make that choice for you. If it's not your choice it won't work.
The glass-half full compliment to the choice you implied is to accept that yes, maybe somebody somewhere can understand your pain. I know someone in fact. Maybe you should have a conversation with them about cutting back, if partying has stopped being fun. And maybe dope is not a reasonable choice to treat chronic pain except for the 1% of us who justifiably have extreme chronic pain.

I don’t need to cut back anything i take 5 mg of methadone per day that I’ve stopped multiple times without much interruption to even sleep let alone work.

I’m the past with other injuries I’ve been on much heavier medication but that is a distant memory hopefully to never return

 

[funeralfather]

Suboxone = still an opioid. It is a step up from ruining your entire life with a chronic heroin addiction or high dose oxy dependency for years. There's going to be some residual depression getting off it, and you can expect lethargy as well. Some say sub withdrawal is horrible beyond words--but I'm guessing those are the ones not properly assisted with tapering off or something like it. Because suboxone is very long-lasting, most find the withdrawal to be less severe than oxy withdrawal for sure. The downside is that while the withdrawal is notably milder in symptoms than normal opiate withdrawal, suboxone withdrawal has longer legs. You'll feel way better in a couple of days, lol. The depression is just something you HAVE to endure as long as you aren't suicidal. I know its quite uncomfortable, but it really only is such an insignificant amount of time for how long the human lifespan is in comparison to feel better again.

Thank you for this post, I am contemplating a 2mg patch but i so far am day 4 into quitting daily kratom, and 60mg oxy twice a month. I feel it would pair well with my adderall but all these post including yours make me think I should at least give it 3 more days and take my gabapentin

 

[vlzinspace]

Thank you for this post, I am contemplating a 2mg patch but i so far am day 4 into quitting daily kratom, and 60mg oxy twice a month. I feel it would pair well with my adderall but all these post including yours make me think I should at least give it 3 more days and take my gabapentin

Suboxone has a weird nature of kicking you in the nuts 4-5-6 days in. Have one on you just incase.

 

[negrogesic]

Having fooled around with suboxone recreationally, and having been on high doses of methadone maintenance in the past, I would much rather be on methadone than suboxone. Suboxone made me feel weird and jumpy, sort of dissociated and anxious. Methadone on the other hand feels great. In fact, if today I were offered one dose of heroin or one dose of methadone, I'd go with the methadone.

 

[tokayeahok]

i think that could come off as harmful, a little, OP. Suboxone doesn’t ruin lives, it’s saving lives. It’s helping people make a medically supervised transition so they can have their quality of life back. Yeah, there’s some shitty side effects long term & it doesn’t address pain management well(nor does any partial agonist, other than the anecdotal kratom stories), but it also helps a lot of individuals recover, become part of their family again, have employment, housing etc - the positives outweigh the negatives completely & saying it could ruin lives is just counter productive & could make someone who wants to make the switch hesitant or not going through with it, therefor harmful.

Just my two cents xo

 

[vlzinspace]

i think that could come off as harmful, a little, OP. Suboxone doesn’t ruin lives, it’s saving lives. It’s helping people make a medically supervised transition so they can have their quality of life back. Yeah, there’s some shitty side effects long term & it doesn’t address pain management well(nor does any partial agonist, other than the anecdotal kratom stories), but it also helps a lot of individuals recover, become part of their family again, have employment, housing etc - the positives outweigh the negatives completely & saying it could ruin lives is just counter productive & could make someone who wants to make the switch hesitant or not going through with it, therefor harmful.

Just my two cents xo

Sigh.

 

[funeralfather]

Gathering adderall clonazepam and oxy and the flipping the coin with the sub. If I go i go

Suboxone has a weird nature of kicking you in the nuts 4-5-6 days in. Have one on you just incase.

 

[Whitey69]

Fuckk subs I did heroin just to go to rehab to get prescribed subs then when I couldn’t get a doctor to prescribe them back home I was so sick I just used heroin to get off. I’m back on subs again for blues and since I got these I’ve heard about sublocade. It’s a prior authorization some kinda bs but it seems promising , get like 3shots over a period of time then 6 or 9 months later you no longer have any suboxone in you . Injectable taper

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

Big Pharma vaccine shills are all over Reddit wanting you to believe that opioids are cardiotoxic & killed Matthew Perry.

 

[Whitey69]

Big Pharma vaccine shills are all over Reddit wanting you to believe that opioids are cardiotoxic & killed Matthew Perry.

Reddits gone home boy it has been a full of bots n shills for a while. More apparent since they bamboozled us n lost many users and mods n bots. RIP even though it has likely destroyed some receptors and definitely cost me a decent part the last 14 years.

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

Reddits gone home boy it has been a full of bots n shills for a while. More apparent since they bamboozled us n lost many users and mods n bots. RIP even though it has likely destroyed some receptors and definitely cost me a decent part the last 14 years.

Yeah it's been total garbage for years but some how manages to get worse & worse.

 

[Whitey69]

Yeah it's been total garbage for years but some how manages to get worse & worse.

Have you found a new social media yet? It’s essentially all I’ve known in that sphere and before that I was on the “funny jokes” app which allowed commenting in a similar style

 

[JackARoe]

Yeah it's been total garbage for years but some how manages to get worse & worse.

Funny I just started browsing Reddit after all these years. I do not even log in, just read some surface posts. The info ranges from totally insane to very logical. Some people even post don't read reddit in the threads. lol In the gabapentin forum one person took 300 mgs a day for a week and is blaming all her ailments a year later on that one week of light use. Another person on it for a month freaks out, the next posters says don't read this stuff, you will be fine.

To me the whole "kratom and hair loss" that has become a fact on reddit (and here I have seen at times) is the most unscientific but bizarre folk lore being created. I have a head of hair at 60 and use kratom. But apparently others say they went bald in one year of kratom. (could have happened anyway, I have a cousin went bald at 25 and never touched kratom) And I know someone will take what I said here and say kratom absolutely makes your hair fall out. I do not say much after that except ok fine.

To the OP's topic. I never ever had bupe. In the 80's when I was on methadone a few times I do not even think bupe was an option . Now it seems a lot of people are on it, and breaking through with these super potent synthetics. Makes my head spin. Makes me wonder what that does to the receptors.

But what I really wanted to say is I think we all have a desire to be clear headed, have clarity and health. Feel centered and strong. Yet most days we don't get that. So we use substances. As we get older even doctors put people on more drugs. The medicine cabinet of old people are stocked with all kinds of drugs. One of my mother's friends was 88, so tired of taking all her meds. Stopped and died a week later like she wanted too. So even older people want that clarity and health.

So I have been trying to feel centered and have clarity too and get moments of that during the day. My issue is daily kratom and cannabis. I know it is not as deep as bupe but I still want off kratom and need a break from weed, even though I only smoke at night. But I too desire that clarity and tell myself if I could just stop the kratom my head and life will clear. And what I am saying is make peace with the meds, and feel better anyway.

Last story I promise. My uncle had to go into a hospital for dementia. (off topic he was on klonopin for years, the new nursing home did not give it to him, he went sort of crazy and they called it fast onset dementia, he moved to a knew nursing home that gave him lorazepam and he was much calmer and saner. Yet no doctor could make the distinction) Anyway my cousin comes up from South Carolina and does not do drugs. He got flustered and left his mother dealing with all of it and went back to SC. But my point is it would have been better if he went out for a smoke, popped a pill or a snort of something and stuck it out to help his mother. Being present on drugs is better than not being there. So that is the way I look at it. Yeah I do drugs but I show up and fulfill duties. Most of us don't think like that and beat ourselves up for using something. Well we all need a buffer. But showing up is 99% of success. Whether on drugs or not. (unless of course a person is shit faced and useless lol)

 

[Pickledlemons]

Any addicting drug can ruin your life. Thats why you can't just buy it otc and have to talk to health care professional about whether its right for you ( yeah yeah there's problems with that, but you get my point.)

I mean, don't get me wrong... bupe aint perfect, but its a much better and more sustainable treatment for opioid dependence than any other replacement therapy out there. And for pain, its pretty much the least habit forming narcotic there is. If you can get by without a narcotic, thats great. Not everybody can. Bupe is the last drug we should be demonizing imo. I bet without it the amount of heart attacks from lope overdose would skyrocket.

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

Have you found a new social media yet? It’s essentially all I’ve known in that sphere and before that I was on the “funny jokes” app which allowed commenting in a similar style

I haven't found anything like reddit, nah.

Wish there was though.
If you steer anywhere outside of approved narratives on reddit, you'll basically be condemned to only speak your mind on the conspiracy subbreddit. lol

 

[Painful One]

Any addicting drug can ruin your life. Thats why you can't just buy it otc and have to talk to health care professional about whether its right for you ( yeah yeah there's problems with that, but you get my point.)

I mean, don't get me wrong... bupe aint perfect, but its a much better and more sustainable treatment for opioid dependence than any other replacement therapy out there. And for pain, its pretty much the least habit forming narcotic there is. If you can get by without a narcotic, thats great. Not everybody can. Bupe is the last drug we should be demonizing imo. I bet without it the amount of heart attacks from lope overdose would skyrocket.

Heheh..,yeah…I was actually considering trying to get off morphine with lope. Lol!
That would not have gone well,

I had no choice other than suboxone and I was not happy about it at first, but it has turned out to be really good.
I have gotten big parts of my life back and am still making progress,
I no longer think about opiates all the time and worry about running out, being sick, etc..,
Things have improved for me in every way since quitting morphine and going on to suboxone.
I live with chronic pain due to injuries from car accident and severe migraines.
I was actually amazed that my pain level went way down when I made the switch.
I recommend suboxone for people in my position.
It was and continues to be a good choice.