Poppy seed tea quantity!

[Nicomorphinist]

What's your method of extraction? Taste still seems the clearest way to gauge, though i cant tell you offhand the relative bitterness of thebaine to morphine.

FYI to the OP, from the quantification studies, some of the stongest batches yielded 3mg of morphine per gram on extraction (albiet heated/acid extraction), meaning 80g could yeild 240mg of morphine, which may be a fatal dose on a small, non-tolerant individual. Thus out of an abundance of caution, in the odd event you have an exceptionally potent batch, even 80g may be too much to start off at...

I mix seeds in a bucket with a whisk for 2-5 minutes. These days it is to get the papaverine to make sure my mojo is in working order even with rather high doses of narcotics.

And for research, of course. I try to get as many different types of poppy seed as possible; the GC/MS and other chromatographic tests I did on Tuesday on an alcoholic extract of pods which I picked right in the field near the Austro-Czech border pointed to the latex in that poppyhead being almost 40 per cent morphine, so following up on that is my project for the week-end. The farmer tells me he uses seeds from the previous years' crop to seed each year, so this appears to have occurred naturally, or something escaped from a lab in the guts of a bird or something . . .

The taste of the seed or pod extract and the colour have been a good guide, but I have been trying to see if, for example, a given colour of the extract can be plugged into a formula to get the mg/ml of morphine in the solution, the trouble being that codeine, noscapine, and thebaine can fluctuate from one batch to another by an order of magnitude or more.

Some firms try washing, others know not to, so there is probably a 1000-fold possible differential in morphine content in the seeds.

When I have done this in the US of late, the last time I was there, I took to inspecting the seeds before purchase and looking for pieces of the seed capsule comingled therewith. There are going to be vendors who, to the outrage of their accounting departments and end users, are actually going to wash the seeds to appease the government and that redneck clown ignoramus Bolshevik Senator from Arkansas I think it is. At a bare minimum, washed seeds are useless for cooking as they don't taste like anything -- save the drama and get some aquarium gravel if you need texture in your dish . . .

Meanwhile, the best-tasting seeds are the almost pitch black ones which come from the high-morphine cultivars grown commercially in Tasmania, very possibly three to five times as much morphine as wild growing Papaver somniferum Linnaeus 1762. The seeds of the high-thebaine and high-oripavine cultivars which make very little morphine look much different and taste abominable, so they are not widely marketed if at all for culinary use, and washing the seeds in the first place means potentially pretty high scrap percentages, enough to make any self-respecting Production & Inventory Control specialist apoplectic, because wet seeds can become inedible within an hour depending on the ambient temperature.

The dirty little secret is that the opium is what makes the seeds taste good

 

[negrogesic]

I mix seeds in a bucket with a whisk for 2-5 minutes. These days it is to get the papaverine to make sure my mojo is in working order even with rather high doses of narcotics.

And for research, of course. I try to get as many different types of poppy seed as possible; the GC/MS and other chromatographic tests I did on Tuesday on an alcoholic extract of pods which I picked right in the field near the Austro-Czech border pointed to the latex in that poppyhead being almost 40 per cent morphine, so following up on that is my project for the week-end. The farmer tells me he uses seeds from the previous years' crop to seed each year, so this appears to have occurred naturally, or something escaped from a lab in the guts of a bird or something . . .

The taste of the seed or pod extract and the colour have been a good guide, but I have been trying to see if, for example, a given colour of the extract can be plugged into a formula to get the mg/ml of morphine in the solution, the trouble being that codeine, noscapine, and thebaine can fluctuate from one batch to another by an order of magnitude or more.

Some firms try washing, others know not to, so there is probably a 1000-fold possible differential in morphine content in the seeds.

When I have done this in the US of late, the last time I was there, I took to inspecting the seeds before purchase and looking for pieces of the seed capsule comingled therewith. There are going to be vendors who, to the outrage of their accounting departments and end users, are actually going to wash the seeds to appease the government and that redneck clown ignoramus Bolshevik Senator from Arkansas I think it is. At a bare minimum, washed seeds are useless for cooking as they don't taste like anything -- save the drama and get some aquarium gravel if you need texture in your dish . . .

Meanwhile, the best-tasting seeds are the almost pitch black ones which come from the high-morphine cultivars grown commercially in Tasmania, very possibly three to five times as much morphine as wild growing Papaver somniferum Linnaeus 1762. The seeds of the high-thebaine and high-oripavine cultivars which make very little morphine look much different and taste abominable, so they are not widely marketed if at all for culinary use, and washing the seeds in the first place means potentially pretty high scrap percentages, enough to make any self-respecting Production & Inventory Control specialist apoplectic, because wet seeds can become inedible within an hour depending on the ambient temperature.

The dirty little secret is that the opium is what makes the seeds taste good

Do you use a neutral solution? Room temperature?
Also i didnt know you could administer poppy seed tea via intracavernous injection for the restoration of mojo

Can't imagine poppy pods of non-modified genetics to be producing sap consisting of 40% morphine, but who knows. But in a sense the genetics are all modified anyhow.

Yes i heard about that Arkansas senator...apparently someone died after some vendors seeds killed someone. Their seeds contained a sincerely nutty amount of morphine (those were the seeds that yielded nearly 3mg per gram in that quantification study). Personally i have found the english variety to be quite effective, though ive never tried others.

Ive always discounted seeds (i dumped perhaps 25 pounds over the years from pods), and have only recently come to appreciate them. In certain regards, I almost enjoy them more than pod tea. The dont have the euphoric rush, but the duration of action is exceptional (sort of like the methadone of opium). My theory is that the lipids that get liberated, along with the alkaloids, from the vigorous shaking, and encapsulated the alkaloids, resulted in delayed released liposomal drug delivery system. Its quite nice. Only issue is that its far more nauseating than pod tea, which is unfortunate, because one of the things i like about opiates is their ability to make me enjoy food (which I generally am not interested in).

I used to make pod tea via a stovetop espresso maker, a sort of pressure/steam extraction. I was quite efficient and I don't think the heat did much damage. I wonder how seeds would react to such a brutal extraction method (not well is my guess), but I bet it would be faster acting. Ive noticed that simmering poppy seed tea that has gone through the shaking type extraction makes it faster and short acting (i suppose the morphine is liberated from the liposomes)...

 

[FutureReference]

For somebody not seeking a high but just pain relief; how effective is the tea? Also, being prescribed Oxy I don't want to potentially fail any drug tests; what would the poppy tea show up as? I know I failed a test years ago and it was due to a poppy seed bagel I had eaten. Believe I showed up positive for Morphine and 2 other drugs but my doctor knows me and right away said "you had a poppy bagel for breakfast didn't you?" Thanks in advance!

 

[negrogesic]

It seems you know the answer based on your experience with that ill-fated bagel...you'll test positive for morphine.

I'd say its extremely effective particularly given its long duration. Beware though, poppy seed tea has notoriously severe and protracted withdrawal syndromes...

 

[axe battler]

I know well experienced users may have some success guaging strength by taste, but saying bitter=strong could be taken the wrong way by someone.
The best way to guage strength of a new batch is to assume it's strong, and wait until your first dose has fully kicked in before having any more (which with poppy seed tea is around 2 hours).
It's unlikely to kill you, but it's a very real possibility. Don't assume you're immortal.

 

[Nicomorphinist]

Do you use a neutral solution? Room temperature?
Also i didnt know you could administer poppy seed tea via intracavernous injection for the restoration of mojo

Can't imagine poppy pods of non-modified genetics to be producing sap consisting of 40% morphine, but who knows. But in a sense the genetics are all modified anyhow.

Yes i heard about that Arkansas senator...apparently someone died after some vendors seeds killed someone. Their seeds contained a sincerely nutty amount of morphine (those were the seeds that yielded nearly 3mg per gram in that quantification study). Personally i have found the english variety to be quite effective, though ive never tried others.

Ive always discounted seeds (i dumped perhaps 25 pounds over the years from pods), and have only recently come to appreciate them. In certain regards, I almost enjoy them more than pod tea. The dont have the euphoric rush, but the duration of action is exceptional (sort of like the methadone of opium). My theory is that the lipids that get liberated, along with the alkaloids, from the vigorous shaking, and encapsulated the alkaloids, resulted in delayed released liposomal drug delivery system. Its quite nice. Only issue is that its far more nauseating than pod tea, which is unfortunate, because one of the things i like about opiates is their ability to make me enjoy food (which I generally am not interested in).

I used to make pod tea via a stovetop espresso maker, a sort of pressure/steam extraction. I was quite efficient and I don't think the heat did much damage. I wonder how seeds would react to such a brutal extraction method (not well is my guess), but I bet it would be faster acting. Ive noticed that simmering poppy seed tea that has gone through the shaking type extraction makes it faster and short acting (i suppose the morphine is liberated from the liposomes)...

It is usually room-temperature water or a bit colder straight from the tap with enough lime juice in it to make the pH 6.5, which is the optimum for morphine extraction.

Any method that actually breaks the seeds is going to result in a soapy, unpotable mess, and it is worth mentioning that the fatty parts of the seeds are remarkably energy-dense, a kilo of them containing the chemical energy of something like 35 good-sized hot fudge sundaes or an industrial quantity of strudel . . . given than morphine slows metabolism, actually grinding all of those seeds is potentially a one-way ticket to one's own reality television show: "My Opiated 500 Kilo Life" and I can tell people from experience that doubling one's weight probably squares the dose of morphine needed for a given purpose . . .

The farmer I got the pods from in the one instance lives not too far from the Hungarian frontier as well -- that country still makes more than half of the morphine used in Continental Europe and anyone can legally grow up to two hectares of poppies.

I have heard it asserted more than once that the high-morphine (26+ per cent) cultivar which is about 41 per cent of the Tasmanian poppy crop was invented by the same person or people in Poland who did the Norman, Przemko, I think another high-thebaine cultivar or two, and a high-oripiavine poppy cultivar. I know that Turkey, a major Poppy Straw Concentrate and alkaloids producer, also sometimes in certain regions sees PSC which is the equivalent of 18-20 per cent morphine latex opium, which I guess they just blend with weaker stuff to standardise the morphine content.

A few years ago I grew some Papaver bracteatum Lindley 1833 (Iranian Poppy) and got latex which was five per cent codeine and four per cent morphine.

Whether it be pods, seeds, opium, smack, morphine base or whatever, I am curious as to people's experience with noscapine content -- it apparently is high in AIP opium and a bit lower in Burmese opium and may have to do with the number of hours of sunshine and the elevation, but it sounds like any 20 people have 36 different theories about it. I do know that the black tar process that predominates in Mexican-sourced heroin makes no effort to weed out the other 50 alkaloids but the noscapine content is naturally lower in the poppies in question.

I know enough about the alkaloids, poppy seeds, and exhausted poppy straw market to assert that the US regulation is virtually unenforceable because if I am not mistaken, exactly 100 per cent of the poppy products used in the USA are imported, as the opium poppy ceased to be a cash crop there in 1942. The amount of plausible deniability built in the system means that a seed distributor need not put themselves out of business for this, which is exactly what will happen to a firm that effectively washes all of their seeds. And contrary to what the dupes in the media say, the situation is no different in Europe or anywhere else.

Plus, what happens to the washings? If they washed all of the seeds, that means that somewhere unaccounted for would be metric ton quantities of morphine and codeine in solution. In fact, some spice companies like Mc Cormick used to, maybe still do, also produce such things as 5-litre jugs of paregoric, so they know what's up. Simply pouring the washings into the sewerage system means dead and addicted wildlife and drinkers of tap water getting subtherapeutic doses of morphine along with the oestrogen, lead, polonium, fentanyl, benzoylecgonine and all the other things already in there. How exactly would they pre-treat the washings to avoid that?

 

[axe battler]

They just pour it into my enema funnel

 

[Quere]

They just pour it into my enema funnel

Hahahaha I just fully cracked up

 

[xivixive]

They just pour it into my enema funnel

i once posted on here asking if this was possible. seriously. the general consensus was that it is just too much liquid and your ass won't hold it all....

 

[Nicomorphinist]

i once posted on here asking if this was possible. seriously. the general consensus was that it is just too much liquid and your ass won't hold it all....

Hell, there are people who have trouble with diarrhoea when it goes down the right way -- oils and resins I think would be what does it.

 

[Nicomorphinist]

The flying squirrels who live in the oak tree on my block read a story about Senator Cotton (Party Of the Hosts Of Error, Republican Factional Axis-Arkansas) thinking he was going to save the world getting rid of unwashed poppy seeds when there was the sound and fury about getting rid of self-detox assist tools, and they showed me a YouTube video of a family of raccoons and a couple of opossums and commentary by a flying squirrel all from the same general part of the country getting a bunch of tins of seeds at a couple of supermarkets, which added up to at least 56 kilos of seeds, with pieces of seed capsule in there as well as a very good range of seed colours . . .

They used several methods on fractions of the seeds, and there was a series of scenes which were sped up and the "Sabre Dance" from Gayane by Aram Khachaturian and they had a marble-sized reddish-brown sphere of essentially Cooked Opium, which one of the opossums tested using the hot knife method (whence we get the saying from the XXIII. Psalm "fast as a hot knife through opium), then after some commentary by a cat who wandered in, they had a longer sequence with Johannes Brahms' Ungarische Tänze Nr 1 bis 6 with different results, my favourites being the ones which ended up with nicomorphine, dihydromorphine, and hydromorphone after numbers four and five . . .

Sort of like the number of "O yeah, arsehole? I'll show you" when other things like that happened" . . . a combination of peace of mind and vengeance it felt like. . . . Wouldn't it be great if they found a bird which pisses out dihydromorphine?

 

[Quere]

. . Wouldn't it be great if they found a bird which pisses out dihydromorphine?

It would be better if humans could be genetically engineered to piss out DHM then I could just drink my own piss!!

Mmmm Sweet (well more like bitter), delicious DHM piss!

 

[Nicomorphinist]

It would be better if humans could be genetically engineered to piss out DHM then I could just drink my own piss!!

Mmmm Sweet (well more like bitter), delicious DHM piss!

One sort of bioassay I did on poppy seed tea and poppy pod tea was when I drank well over five litres of stuff I concentrated with a crock pot and other methods and then got a urinalysis the next day when I had a physical with my general practitioner for reasons of seeing how much of what was in my system to ascertain if there were any kind of Cytochrome P450 issue or interaction with herbs or other medications -- the morphine and metabolite levels were incredibly high and I even had measurable amounts of things that opium poppies make in tiny amounts, so I had dihydromorphine, DHC, eight different 14-dihydromorphinones including metopon, hydrocodone, oxymorphone, hydromorphinol, oxymorphol, and enough of the various metabolites that I would have huge false positives for oxycodone, oxymorphone, hydromorphone and hydrocodone if this were an actual drugs test . . . the piss was the colour of apple juice and in fact a bit darker, and the piss itself would have been psychoactive and analgesic not only for fish, salamanders, and so forth, but for people (if, for example, I were a Golden Shower Queen eating a bag of pretzels or trapped in a collapsed building after an earthquake)

A prior urinalysis done was specifically to look for liquid overload when I had persistent hyponatraemia symptoms when I drank a lot of poppy seed tea, and the specific gravity of the piss came back as 1.000088 and it looked like water -- a drugs testing lab would have sent it back as a substituted sample; 1.025 is normal human urine, 1.001 to 1.003 is rejected as abnormal, and 1.001 below is assumed prima facie to be toilet water or whatever (Harm Reduction angle -- one can make themselves sick trying to beat a test with huge amounts of water, juice, diuretics &c . . . hyponatraemia, hypokalaemia and other electrolyte disturbances are one result)

There was also a substance given as the whole Iupac name and molecular weight which certainly sounded like heterocodeine . . . I would really like to know how I got 16 ng/ml of that in my piss . . . a vanishingly small quantity of a drug which would be either the Holy Grail or Ark Of The Covenant as not only a box-ticking exercise but because it sounds like a hell of an analgesic with some wicked derivatives . . .

Then there was the tiny amount, which would have been well below any cut-off for a drugs test, of acetylcodeine metabolites, the confirmation they look for along with noscapine and papaverine to confirm heroin use and not whole opium or pharmaceuticals or poppy seeds. . . no smack in many years, no acetylmorphone in many years, so am assuming that the poppy can make tiny amounts, or the experimental concentrated opium-type substance which I made with poppy pods using 5 per cent white vinegar and filtered through a ten-level filter to get a liquid with nothing floating in it had acetylcodeine, smack, 3-MAM, 6-MAM, 3-MAC or whatever in it. There was enough evidence of unshootable things in the liquid I had made that I made solid opium to smoke with 36 per cent of the liquid, solidified and used 11 per cent of it to test various Juul type devices and the like, saved 9 per cent to test with GC/MS and all that jazz, and then used a Soda Stream type device to use the rest to make an tripelennamine, orphenadrine, tramadol, and opium drink many times more carbonated than the prickelnd carbonated water, the most carbonated of the five levels sold, took it on an empty stomach and it felt like an SC shot of Pantopon . . . The next day, I drank twice as much of this mixed with enough absinthe to make the final drink 29 per cent alcohol and it felt like either an SC or IM shot, maybe weaker IV, then the dizziness I experienced was like being in the centre of a whirlwind . . . I felt just like Jesus' apothecary . . . The process I used to concentrate this liquid involved temperatures up to 94°C and reflux of both aqueous and alcoholic solutions acidic, alkaline, and neutral.

 

[Quere]

One sort of bioassay I did on poppy seed tea and poppy pod tea was when I drank well over five litres of stuff I concentrated with a crock pot and other methods and then got a urinalysis the next day when I had a physical with my general practitioner for reasons of seeing how much of what was in my system to ascertain if there were any kind of Cytochrome P450 issue or interaction with herbs or other medications -- the morphine and metabolite levels were incredibly high and I even had measurable amounts of things that opium poppies make in tiny amounts, so I had dihydromorphine, DHC, eight different 14-dihydromorphinones including metopon, hydrocodone, oxymorphone, hydromorphinol, oxymorphol, and enough of the various metabolites that I would have huge false positives for oxycodone, oxymorphone, hydromorphone and hydrocodone if this were an actual drugs test . . . the piss was the colour of apple juice and in fact a bit darker, and the piss itself would have been psychoactive and analgesic not only for fish, salamanders, and so forth, but for people (if, for example, I were a Golden Shower Queen eating a bag of pretzels or trapped in a collapsed building after an earthquake)

A prior urinalysis done was specifically to look for liquid overload when I had persistent hyponatraemia symptoms when I drank a lot of poppy seed tea, and the specific gravity of the piss came back as 1.000088 and it looked like water -- a drugs testing lab would have sent it back as a substituted sample; 1.025 is normal human urine, 1.001 to 1.003 is rejected as abnormal, and 1.001 below is assumed prima facie to be toilet water or whatever (Harm Reduction angle -- one can make themselves sick trying to beat a test with huge amounts of water, juice, diuretics &c . . . hyponatraemia, hypokalaemia and other electrolyte disturbances are one result)

There was also a substance given as the whole Iupac name and molecular weight which certainly sounded like heterocodeine . . . I would really like to know how I got 16 ng/ml of that in my piss . . . a vanishingly small quantity of a drug which would be either the Holy Grail or Ark Of The Covenant as not only a box-ticking exercise but because it sounds like a hell of an analgesic with some wicked derivatives . . .

Then there was the tiny amount, which would have been well below any cut-off for a drugs test, of acetylcodeine metabolites, the confirmation they look for along with noscapine and papaverine to confirm heroin use and not whole opium or pharmaceuticals or poppy seeds. . . no smack in many years, no acetylmorphone in many years, so am assuming that the poppy can make tiny amounts, or the experimental concentrated opium-type substance which I made with poppy pods using 5 per cent white vinegar and filtered through a ten-level filter to get a liquid with nothing floating in it had acetylcodeine, smack, 3-MAM, 6-MAM, 3-MAC or whatever in it. There was enough evidence of unshootable things in the liquid I had made that I made solid opium to smoke with 36 per cent of the liquid, solidified and used 11 per cent of it to test various Juul type devices and the like, saved 9 per cent to test with GC/MS and all that jazz, and then used a Soda Stream type device to use the rest to make an tripelennamine, orphenadrine, tramadol, and opium drink many times more carbonated than the prickelnd carbonated water, the most carbonated of the five levels sold, took it on an empty stomach and it felt like an SC shot of Pantopon . . . The next day, I drank twice as much of this mixed with enough absinthe to make the final drink 29 per cent alcohol and it felt like either an SC or IM shot, maybe weaker IV, then the dizziness I experienced was like being in the centre of a whirlwind . . . I felt just like Jesus' apothecary . . . The process I used to concentrate this liquid involved temperatures up to 94°C and reflux of both aqueous and alcoholic solutions acidic, alkaline, and neutral.

Hey great post Nico

Very interesting to hear about all those trace alkaloids showing up. Especially acetylated ones!

By the way have you read 'A short treatise on the joys of morphinism'?

P.s I wonder if any appreciable amount of unchanged or active metabolites of methadone are excreted via urine. I certainly am not above drinking my own urine if it provided me with a significant amount of extra opioids lol.

 

[hokkaido_princess]

Oh dear, poppy seed tea is a wonder for anyone who needs opiates and can't find them easily. I'm a small girl and I won't buy morphine pills anymore, I wish dealers would just take my money and not act like creeps but after a very very scary situation last year I don't trust guys who sell, so poppy seed tea is really helpful.

...but it's not something to mess with! Just because it's easy to buy it doesn't mean you should try it! Please be careful, addiction sucks

 

[Nicomorphinist]

Oh dear, poppy seed tea is a wonder for anyone who needs opiates and can't find them easily. I'm a small girl and I won't buy morphine pills anymore, I wish dealers would just take my money and not act like creeps but after a very very scary situation last year I don't trust guys who sell, so poppy seed tea is really helpful.

...but it's not something to mess with! Just because it's easy to buy it doesn't mean you should try it! Please be careful, addiction sucks

Poppy and whole opium addiction is more than 50 different physical and other dependences on top of each other too . . . those are salts of the various alkaloids, and it surely is more than 50 times worse, more than 50 × 50 (2500) times worse, maybe 50⁵⁰ times worse . . . I remember when I did a washout of 135 mg per 24 hours of Pantopon® (morphine HCl, codeine HCl, papaverine HCl , and noscapine HCl) before changing to Heptalgin® (phenadoxone hydrobromide) because they were chemically dissimilar . . . it suuuuuuuuucked . . . at least it was voluntary and I had both medications as well as left-over narcotics and so I ate a couple of codeine hydrochloride tablets to stop the trouble with my hands shaking and then got out the Numorphan® ampoules and wham! there went the all the trouble. The dissimilarity is the reason for opioid rotation in chronic pain and cancer cases.

 

[negrogesic]

One sort of bioassay I did on poppy seed tea and poppy pod tea was when I drank well over five litres of stuff I concentrated with a crock pot and other methods and then got a urinalysis the next day when I had a physical with my general practitioner for reasons of seeing how much of what was in my system to ascertain if there were any kind of Cytochrome P450 issue or interaction with herbs or other medications -- the morphine and metabolite levels were incredibly high and I even had measurable amounts of things that opium poppies make in tiny amounts, so I had dihydromorphine, DHC, eight different 14-dihydromorphinones including metopon, hydrocodone, oxymorphone, hydromorphinol, oxymorphol, and enough of the various metabolites that I would have huge false positives for oxycodone, oxymorphone, hydromorphone and hydrocodone if this were an actual drugs test . . . the piss was the colour of apple juice and in fact a bit darker, and the piss itself would have been psychoactive and analgesic not only for fish, salamanders, and so forth, but for people (if, for example, I were a Golden Shower Queen eating a bag of pretzels or trapped in a collapsed building after an earthquake)

A prior urinalysis done was specifically to look for liquid overload when I had persistent hyponatraemia symptoms when I drank a lot of poppy seed tea, and the specific gravity of the piss came back as 1.000088 and it looked like water -- a drugs testing lab would have sent it back as a substituted sample; 1.025 is normal human urine, 1.001 to 1.003 is rejected as abnormal, and 1.001 below is assumed prima facie to be toilet water or whatever (Harm Reduction angle -- one can make themselves sick trying to beat a test with huge amounts of water, juice, diuretics &c . . . hyponatraemia, hypokalaemia and other electrolyte disturbances are one result)

There was also a substance given as the whole Iupac name and molecular weight which certainly sounded like heterocodeine . . . I would really like to know how I got 16 ng/ml of that in my piss . . . a vanishingly small quantity of a drug which would be either the Holy Grail or Ark Of The Covenant as not only a box-ticking exercise but because it sounds like a hell of an analgesic with some wicked derivatives . . .

Then there was the tiny amount, which would have been well below any cut-off for a drugs test, of acetylcodeine metabolites, the confirmation they look for along with noscapine and papaverine to confirm heroin use and not whole opium or pharmaceuticals or poppy seeds. . . no smack in many years, no acetylmorphone in many years, so am assuming that the poppy can make tiny amounts, or the experimental concentrated opium-type substance which I made with poppy pods using 5 per cent white vinegar and filtered through a ten-level filter to get a liquid with nothing floating in it had acetylcodeine, smack, 3-MAM, 6-MAM, 3-MAC or whatever in it. There was enough evidence of unshootable things in the liquid I had made that I made solid opium to smoke with 36 per cent of the liquid, solidified and used 11 per cent of it to test various Juul type devices and the like, saved 9 per cent to test with GC/MS and all that jazz, and then used a Soda Stream type device to use the rest to make an tripelennamine, orphenadrine, tramadol, and opium drink many times more carbonated than the prickelnd carbonated water, the most carbonated of the five levels sold, took it on an empty stomach and it felt like an SC shot of Pantopon . . . The next day, I drank twice as much of this mixed with enough absinthe to make the final drink 29 per cent alcohol and it felt like either an SC or IM shot, maybe weaker IV, then the dizziness I experienced was like being in the centre of a whirlwind . . . I felt just like Jesus' apothecary . . . The process I used to concentrate this liquid involved temperatures up to 94°C and reflux of both aqueous and alcoholic solutions acidic, alkaline, and neutral.

I have a quantity of GAA that is posing little more than a fire hazard, perhaps i should use it to spice up a poppy seed tea extraction

 

[hokkaido_princess]

I didn't know it was all so complicated! I wonder why different opioids don't totally overlap in their dependencies, it's been a long time since I took a physiology class but I remember that the differences in activity for each of the opioid receptor subtypes means that delta and kappa receptor agonism/antagonism probably isn't relevant to withdrawal syndrome, and most opioids don't have any affinity for GABA receptors... oh dear, I really don't understand how one opioid might not cover for another if a person was going into withdrawal. Do you have any answers?

 

[draculic acid69]

Gaa isn't flammable so it poses no fire hazard.any water in even small amounts will stop ester formation meaning the acetyl won't attach to the morphine meaning it's pointless adding it unless you have a bone-dry opium and absolutely dry gaa.you can't do a wet acetylation.

 

[negrogesic]

Gaa isn't flammable so it poses no fire hazard.any water in even small amounts will stop ester formation meaning the acetyl won't attach to the morphine meaning it's pointless adding it unless you have a bone-dry opium and absolutely dry gaa.you can't do a wet acetylation.

Well based on the labeling this GAA is category 3 (ie, its flammable), though I've never tested how flammable it actually is...