PLEASE HELP..addicted again..switching from oxy to H to save money until the winter?.

[justtakethat]

REALLY.....Your giving me more confidence to call the doctor....I dont believe i will have any problems staying on suboxone.....my problem is i cant currently bare the thought of volentarily making myself sicker (meaning go into withdrawal to start suboxone) after constantly being sick.....just the thought of even a day of withdrawal is something that im not mentally prepared for.... see even while on these pills and weed I still wake up vomiting and go through severe pains and sickness....so the thought of having to make myself sicker before starting suboxone sends me into a panic..... because I honestly almost killed myself back in the winter...and I dont want to risk putting myself in a position of where I think about suicide.... I dont want to leave my family..... and all of these things are what adds up to making me feel completely stuck at the moment

Yo can't bear the thought? Well you signed up for it when you took opiates daily. Like they say if yoy can't do the time don't do the crime. Have willpower.

 

[ImSTILLtrying]

c.Ive been buying 20 dollar scratchoffs lately in hopes I can win a million and have enough monet to be able to take time off of work and fix myself...... Im rambling...I know.....my thoughts never stop racing....my stress is going to give me a heart attack... and thanks to anyone and all who took time out of their day to read and think about my situation.....PEACE AND LOVE TO ALL

lol, you are talking about how worried you are about your family, money, and doing the right thing. meanwhile you are buying Oxy's and scratch tickets; you may want to come up w/ a better plan than this, man. and NO, the Dr's will not script you pain meds if they see NO PROBLEM w/ you; def. not something they would do nowadays considering all the abuse that is going around.

you need a better plan, man. you are married w/ kids, so be careful. not saying dont make the switch to dope since you are already buying your Oxy off the street anyway but just be careful in what you do and make the best decisions. TRY and go see a Dr. and get scripted your Suboxone when you are ready; they are fine for being a pain killer and if you say THEY ARE NOT, then its a mental thing, because in many places they use a Suboxone type drug for pain relief.

and w/ bupe, everyone is different. you may NOT have to be in full blown withdrawal, so do not look at it that way. just wait it out as long as you can till you take your bupe; within minutes you will feel "normal" again. also, make sure to take it normally, do not sniff or do anything else. sublingual is the best way to take it by far.

OK, so we gave you the info -- what are you going to do? do you have a Suboxone Dr. lined up or do u you buy off the streets? listen bud, if you have the money to waste, then do whatever, but anyone w/ a family should not be throwing money out the window like that esp. if they have a plan to "sober" up so soon. but you know yourself better than we do but WE may have been through a lot more than you have when it comes to this crazy stuff we call, DRUGSSSSSSSSS!

 

[Ilove2nod]

and w/ bupe, everyone is different. you may NOT have to be in full blown withdrawal, so do not look at it that way. just wait it out as long as you can till you take your bupe; within minutes you will feel "normal" again. also, make sure to take it normally, do not sniff or do anything else. sublingual is the best way to take it by far.

OK, so we gave you the info -- what are you going to do? do you have a Suboxone Dr. lined up or do u you buy off the streets? listen bud, if you have the money to waste, then do whatever, but anyone w/ a family should not be throwing money out the window like that esp. if they have a plan to "sober" up so soon. but you know yourself better than we do but WE may have been through a lot more than you have when it comes to this crazy stuff we call, DRUGSSSSSSSSS!

Not trying to be an asshole, but that isn't true about sublingual being the best way to take subs, maybe the safest and how they were designed to be done, but definitely not the best way overall... Just sayin, as I have done subs everyway possible. It doesn't matter if you have suboxone or subutex, there are way more effective ways to take subs than sublingual. Yes, sniffing it isn't exactly the safest of them, but it is a lot more effective than sub'l if done right, and you only need at the most 2mg of sub at a time for it to work at its best, but I liked to doing them around 1mg when I sniffed them. This isn't as easy with the strips, which I hate, but it can be done by making a nasal spray solution. This method is about 2x more effective than sublingual from my experience with both ROAs, and hey its better than sniffing H or oxy, safer and cheaper. Plugging is the way to go though, it is very nice. Gives me a nice opiate like buzz/high everytime (for me). I feel all nice, warm, and fuzzy starting out rather sedating, then becoming more energetic feeling. This ROA is also 2x stronger, at least 2x maybe more than sublingual is. Also, I have never tried this but I have heard mixing the bupe with some alcohol when taking it sublingual is a lot more effective then just taking it normally that way, not exactly sure on the specifics but I have heard from people on this site it works.

And to the OP I have contributed everything I can possibly say to help you change for the better with subs, but you seem to just not want them from what I have seen in your posts. But I will say if you go the heroin route, be careful for real. Heroin is being cut with all kinds of fentanyl and its RC cousins, and killing so many people, I have lost a good amount of friends because of this new trend with the fent dope. That's not to say there isn't a lot of good quality shit out there too like before the whole fent thing became popular, but there is just more dangerous shit around these days than ever. And have you thought about methadone maintenance? It might appeal to you more than subs since you don't have to worry about the precipitated withdrawls like you can sometimes get from switching to bupe too quick and its a very nice feeling, potent full agonist opioid.

 

[puffpuffwee]

dnt know why noe ones said but its not good idea to swap really any drug for heroin idk if op knows what hes getting himself into but hes playing with fire sometimes i forget how lucky i am financilly

 

[MrRoot]

^Sadly you are not lucky in literature.

I am too lucky to get veteran compensation and be able to get along fine just by sitting on my ass if I want but still I wanted to do something and wrote a book which has been published lately. But that is enough dicksizing.

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Stuck003, I went through buprenorphine assisted detox when I used 120mgs of oxycodone a day and sometimes twice. When I get into rehab at 8AM I had done 240mgs of oxycodone the day before and last dose was around 11PM and I had to give urine sample and they checked if there was any methadone and when the results came back fine I got my first dose of 2mgs of buprenorphine. I wasn't even at withdrawals when I got the first buprenorphine and I didn't get any precip wds either. After four hours I got my second dose of 2mgs of buprenorphine.

Next day I got 4+4mgs of buprenorphine and then they started to decrease the dose by 1mgs per every three days.

I didn't have any physical wds during the whole time and even on 0mgs of bupe I felt fine and didn't have cravings (yet). After few weeks of being clean I got first huge cravings and relapsed. After that I have been taking oxycodone for "pain" and waiting to be able to get into ORT which starts within few weeks from now. I am actually looking forward to that as it means I don't have to do Dr shopping or anything else shady stuff like ordering from the darknet to get my fix but instead I'll get these daily from government.

Just get over the excuses and get something done before you end your marriage.

(As I live in a scandinavian welfare country none of these rehabs or opiate replacement therapies won't cost a thing for me.)

Ilove2nod, I love to nod too btw. I wouldn't suggest taking subs any other way than it was meant to unless they don't work by the intended way. I don't IV and never had except for hospital setting and I like that you are saying that plugging is almost the same as injecting it. Many people say that injecting is the only real way to make the subs work which isn't true.

 

[Ilove2nod]

Ilove2nod, I love to nod too btw. I wouldn't suggest taking subs any other way than it was meant to unless they don't work by the intended way. I don't IV and never had except for hospital setting and I like that you are saying that plugging is almost the same as injecting it. Many people say that injecting is the only real way to make the subs work which isn't true.

Yes the nod is so great! I don't miss all of the negative things that came along with it. And Yes it would be best to stick with sublingual if that method works for you, but it just didn't work too well for me and made it hard for me like taking subs, so I kept relapsing on oxy, heroin, and dilaudid with a few other nice opioids now and then like morphine and opana.

Then I tried taking sub different ways and fell in love with those things. I began with sniffing them, just enough to keep the powder in my nostrils and let it absorb into my mucous membranes and nasal capillaries. Whenever I would sniff even just a little to hard with sub, I would get a drip and end up wasting quite a lot of it by swallowing it, but once I perfected my method of lightly sniffing and adding a tiny drop of water to each nostril, as should be done sniffing anything, I loved it.

Then came plugging. And plugging is very, VERY close to the feeling of IV sub. I have no idea where they came up with it only having a BA of ~54%, that just doesn't seem accurate to me, as IV has nearly 100% BA and plugging has half that and feels nearly identical, minus the immediate onset. Still it comes on in about 5 to 10mins max for me. And it feels incredibly good, for a partial agonist opioid such as buprenorphine. There is no adverse effects like you would get from sniffing or IV either. Its an amazing, harmless method that you really cant go wrong with, if done right.

 

[ImSTILLtrying]

Not trying to be an asshole, but that isn't true about sublingual being the best way to take subs, maybe the safest and how they were designed to be done, but definitely not the best way overall... Just sayin, as I have done subs everyway possible. It doesn't matter if you have suboxone or subutex, there are way more effective ways to take subs than sublingual. Yes, sniffing it isn't exactly the safest of them, but it is a lot more effective than sub'l if done right, and you only need at the most 2mg of sub at a time for it to work at its best, but I liked to doing them around 1mg when I sniffed them. This isn't as easy with the strips, which I hate, but it can be done by making a nasal spray solution. This method is about 2x more effective than sublingual from my experience with both ROAs, and hey its better than sniffing H or oxy, safer and cheaper. Plugging is the way to go though, it is very nice. Gives me a nice opiate like buzz/high everytime (for me). I feel all nice, warm, and fuzzy starting out rather sedating, then becoming more energetic feeling. This ROA is also 2x stronger, at least 2x maybe more than sublingual is. Also, I have never tried this but I have heard mixing the bupe with some alcohol when taking it sublingual is a lot more effective then just taking it normally that way, not exactly sure on the specifics but I have heard from people on this site it works.

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maybe its opinionated but based on testing sublingual has been best; also, same here.. I've done them everyday possible; when I was addicted to the needle I would shoot them the BEST WAY TO TAKE.. and GET WHAT YOU EXPECT.. is to take SUBLINGUAL! also realize that taking sublingual is you stepping away from the WRONG PATH IN LIFE! take them as prescribed and do the right thing. there is a reason they are scripted to take under the tongue and not up the nose or through a pin. ya know!? you are married w children, kinda like my fav. TV show, ha. but seriously, do the right thing and if you do end up taking subs take the "right" way because, IN MY OPINION, they work best this way, esp. if you plan on taking them for a long while as you slowly get away from the "bad" stuff.

 

[ImSTILLtrying]

dnt know why noe ones said but its not good idea to swap really any drug for heroin idk if op knows what hes getting himself into but hes playing with fire sometimes i forget how lucky i am financilly

the OP has been on dope before, so kinda knows what hes getting into. and in my exp. which has been 15 years now, a killer opiate addiction is a killer opiate addiction, regardless of what it is. the OP is looking for a way to spend less money to wants to go brown town (white town nowadays w/ the fent in many areas) so who knows. but the OP seems to have an idea of what he is doing, which is making the wrong decision, but seems as if he is going to regardless so might as well give him feedback on what he plans to do.

 

[Ilove2nod]

maybe its opinionated but based on testing sublingual has been best; also, same here.. I've done them everyday possible; when I was addicted to the needle I would shoot them the BEST WAY TO TAKE.. and GET WHAT YOU EXPECT.. is to take SUBLINGUAL! also realize that taking sublingual is you stepping away from the WRONG PATH IN LIFE! take them as prescribed and do the right thing. there is a reason they are scripted to take under the tongue and not up the nose or through a pin. ya know!? you are married w children, kinda like my fav. TV show, ha. but seriously, do the right thing and if you do end up taking subs take the "right" way because, IN MY OPINION, they work best this way, esp. if you plan on taking them for a long while as you slowly get away from the "bad" stuff.

Yeah I guess we all have our opinions. Not going to keep debating this, but IF and only IF sublingual doesn't work for you like it didn't work for me and you need to use another ROA to actually get some satisfaction from bupe, its a hell of a lot better than doing heroin, no matter what way you take the bupe. You will still save money and not put yourself at risk going out an copping dope on the street or overdosing, which is very hard to do with bupe, and you have your own legal prescription so its legit. You would literally have to try to overdose with bupe by taking more than the ceiling dose of 32mg, which not too many people do. While with H it could happen any given time. All it takes is some shit that is way too strong and BAM ur on deaths or doorstep or actually do die. That is all I am going to say.

 

[justtakethat]

Of course my suggestion is disregarded because you need opiates no matter what. Try tapering off and then you will be able to use once in a while or spacwd out to stay non dependant. Like take it one day and put of at least 3 days or so, its not that hard don't be weak.

 

[stuck003]

yes...thank you everyone for all the info whether helpful or not..... yes....I snorted oxy for about 5 years ... then I snorted heroin for 2 to 3 years exclusivly ( around 3 stamp bags a day) before switching to suboxone....did suboxone for 2 years through a dr..... was clean 7 years until i got relly sick...So sick I lost 30 pounds...All while still sclean....then beginning of march is wheni gave in and bought 30 0xy 30's to help with my suffering.... the reason I was asking is because all this is because even though i was through it before...the memories are just so blurry that i cant remember the details of it all.... But my wife has been with me through it all and only smokes weed....never anything else...... None of what I said I feel are excuses.... I clearly said from thye beginning that i wasnt ready to stop until the winter..... and that i was trying to weigh the cost and risks of oxy vs heroin for me....Ive crossed this bridge before....so i dont fear heroin (but I am afraid that maybe I wont be strong enough to quit H this time; even though i was much worse before) Which is why i was asking if it would be easier to start sub if i stayed on oxy or if it will physically be the same..... Look my son asks his mother if daddy is going to die because of me getting sick....not because of oxy...oxy allowed me to feel good enough to take my son to the circus and many other things this summer.... but if i go into withdrawal now with him starting school he wont be able to handle being at school....because he will get scared again that his dad is dying.... and yes... i know I can die from H....TRUST ME IVE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT..... which is why Ive been trying so hard to find oxy for cheaper....but the funny thing is.... i have to get oxy from whoever I can.... But I can get H by from a safe trusted family friend....... AND TO REMIND EVERYONE... I WAS ALREADY AN ADDICT... SO FOR ANYONE WHO CAN UNDERSTAND THAT..... WOULD KNOW THAT IT WASNT EASY TO STAY CLEAN FOR 7 YEARS AND THAT AS AN ADDICT ITS HARD NOT TO GIVE IN AND START USING AGAIN WHEN YOU BECOME VERY SICK AND DEPRESSED so thanks to all............. I guess this is all this thread can do for me.... hopefully come christmas Im still alive and on suboxone living happily ever after... PEACE AND LOVE TO ALL

 

[puffpuffwee]

Please think about this dont trade oxy for smack you will regret it!!!!

 

[Ilove2nod]

Let me just say this, I have said enough already. Sorry you are sick or in pain. But why not take methadone? That will keep you out of pain and make you stop craving oxy. Are there any methadone clinics in your area?

 

[Raysu]

Ok stuck, so I have known some of what you're going through-chronic pain, suicidality, seriously debilitating anxiety, fear of losing everything, financial issues, opioid (as well as I had other drug/alcohol) addiction. I've read the heated and honest and blunt and compassionate and one ignorant response here (there's a lot more to overcoming addiction than willpower IMO), anyway I am sorry to hear what you are going through. I do agree the dark side forum can help to boost your spirits as they do deal with a lot of the psychological side of everything here. You are not alone. You want help. You want answers. I believe you are in a struggle between fear and pain and trying to overcome both is a bitch man, it really is. I had a heavy habit when I first went into recovery and had only a plane ride to rehab (about eight hours) since my last use prior to Suboxone. This too was years ago. I've had relapses since. In comparison-I didn't feel so bad and did not experience precipitated wd but the first couple weeks of paws (insomnia, low energy, mindgames, etc.) would have interfered with my job. That's not everyone-like I said I had a heavy poly-drug habit going in. The detoxes without Suboxone were not nice so your plan to go on maintenance is realistic but here is the bigger picture, and my advice-these are the things I would do in the order I would do them and the things I would not do and why for each....whew...ok
1. Go post something in the dark side-to start support for the emotional aspect
2a. Set up an appt with a psychiatrist-to manage the psychological aspect and start building a "kit" for just the possibility of wd (peace of mind is priceless in any transition right?)
2b. (equally important as 2a, actually 2a and 2b are more vital than 1 but 1 is something you can complete today) Set up an appt with a PCP to look into and start getting referrals to specialists to get a definitive diagnosis on the ongoing pain. As stated pancreatitis also came to my mind as a possibility. Drug use can exacerbate it but also drugs alleviate the pain so a good doctor is crucial here in ending the cause of your suffering in the best way possible. Note that a referral to a pain management doctor will almost require a drug test so your options are to either be honest with your PCP or jump ship to maintenance earlier than winter as you intended, however....and this hasn't been suggested yet...
3.Collect all you need to complete the "kit" to manage any symptoms using the withdrawal megathread on BL-to prepare for one day, yum one day (maybe) because...
4. Go get on maintenance on your next day off - because you won't know unless you try and you still have almost two weeks left of the oxy to fall back on if you suddenly decide you can't manage it between the subs and the kit so at most your discomfort will be one dose...either way...if the one dose of subs help than awesome and you will know you can stick it out and if the one dose is iffy you can try one more and another or if it's just not working then you can simply go back to the oxy. One day, one dose. Don't jump to how the next week will feel. Worst case scenario you are still on oxy and have an idea of what going to maintenance in the winter will be like to prepare that much more. Don't beat yourself up for giving it a shot-you are still trying options.
The do nots:
1.Do not switch to h-the risk of ODing is way beyond what it was when you used before and your family needs you alive-broke is fixable, dead is not.
2. Apply your money from scratch-offs to your copays etc. - nothing against gambling personally but there is a multifaceted aspect to addiction and compulsive behaviors add to the problem (and reduce your bottom line)
3.Do not delay - obviously and recognize that posting here was in itself doing something to work in the positive direction even if it drew negative feelings at first (addiction is all about negativity after all)
My last comments are basically to not underestimate the ability of others to help and to prepare for what you can and pray/think positive for what you can't. I have attempted suicide (multiple times) and been homeless (multiple times in different countries even). I lost houses and expensive vehicles and all my belongings except the clothes I was wearing and one of my dogs. My husband is in prison and I'm writing this right now from where I live on a couch caring for my mother who has cancer. Bleak picture huh? I'm sharing this so you see the direction not asking for help leads to. I struggle a lot but I do want to live today and am glad to see some of my family again. Oddly when everything was at its worst and I had to decide to fight to live or not is when I felt most alive. Homelessness is sad and scary but defined me and opened my eyes and humbled me. You may never be homeless but it isn't something to fear-so many people helped me survive-strangers mostly and foreclosures take months regardless. You may never be broke but that isn't to fear-money comes and goes often in the 11th hour and resources and money are not the same. There are community programs to help, shelters, soup kitchens-my point is you will survive if you choose to. Hope for best, prepare for winter. The most important thing is to address the health issues that can end having to buy anything on the street (even pills are turning up with fentanyl cuts too). Aggressively seeking medical help will be work but passively continuing in the lifestyle and self-medicating will end way worse. I'm not religious but I do recognize I exist and my spirit was broken and took measures to heal that too. Find your path and keep posting.

 

[justtakethat]

Let me just say this, I have said enough already. Sorry you are sick or in pain. But why not take methadone? That will keep you out of pain and make you stop craving oxy. Are there any methadone clinics in your area?

Sorry dude but gtfo of here trying to encourage him to take methadone. If he is trying to get off dope than let him he doesn't need to substitute some kind of opiate he can actually just have willpower and space out dosages. He will get alot higher for less drugs too, also no withdrawals.

 

[keeping]

Sorry dude but gtfo of here trying to encourage him to take methadone. If he is trying to get off dope than let him he doesn't need to substitute some kind of opiate he can actually just have willpower and space out dosages. He will get alot higher for less drugs too, also no withdrawals.

there's no need to be like that, OP was talking about a suboxone program at the start of this thread (which also was never about getting higher.)
in fact this entire thread is dedicated to substituting one opiate for another.. lets keep it civil guys come on

 

[Ilove2nod]

Sorry dude but gtfo of here trying to encourage him to take methadone. If he is trying to get off dope than let him he doesn't need to substitute some kind of opiate he can actually just have willpower and space out dosages. He will get alot higher for less drugs too, also no withdrawals.

Obviously, you haven't looked at the entire thread. So why don't you read all the posts, and then talk. I am just trying to help. He isn't trying to get off dope apparently trying to switch to dope from oxy but wont go on subs... and methadone would be better than switching to H if he wont do subs. so read the whole thread before you start making rude gestures like that. That isn't what this forum is about, talking shit and starting fights, its about harm reduction.

 

[stuck003]

thanks to all.... and yes i do want to stop.... but with currently being sick...Im afraid i couldnt handle being sicker with withdrawal.... if i was certain I could just take suboxone right now and be fine i would.... but I cant risk not being able to show up to work the next day because the suboxone didnt go right.....its all scary.....if you knew that risk and also knew you could wait until winter and quit without it interfering or risking losing your job...wouldnt everone want to wait also?.... because losing my job means losing a home for my family..... and like i said...If i lose my job trying to quit drugs...then lose my home...then i would lose my family becaus eof stress....then there would be nothing left but to stay high then die....and the thought of that makes me more scared then you can imagine.... Ive been physically and mentally abused as a kid...... my mother did not have a relible man there for her..... and i know due to life i may be an addict.....but i always have and always will due whatever it takes to keep my family afloat..... i wont let them be homeless...... I have to work....and cant risk it all going wrong yet.....which sucks so bad......so you can just say im STUCK003 OR SCREWED...they both work......PEACE

 

[keeping]

^ its cool man you don't need to explain yourself (or at least you shouldn't need to), you have your reasons

 

[Raysu]

One good Suboxone dose is enough to know if the transition will be sufficient coverage. It won't block the oxy beyond 48 hours at the longest. Twelve hours is typical duration. You could consider taking two days off in a row, dose Suboxone in the evening when you get off work, see how the night goes and resume oxy in the morning if it wasn't sufficient to handle, and be able to return to work the following morning having been able to rest and metabolize the oxy fully from the night before your shift. If you take sleep aids, etc. the night on Suboxone may go like a charm. Either way you get some resolve and maybe relief before winter. Thoughts?