Benzos Please be responsible and don't abuse benzodiazepines!

[jasperkent]

Never had any desire to take benzos recreationally, there’s just not enough to them to abuse them. I add alcohol, it gets better but still nothing that I would take that often.

I remember getting a nice high from Librium the VERY FIRST TIME I took it. I was 16.

Years later, I'd get a buzz off Valium or Xanax the first 2 or 3 times (especially + alcohol) but not after that. Really, there are so many much better ways to get high than with benzos. Trying to use them recreationally just doesn't make sense.

Leave benzos to the folks that really need them. The rest of us will be just fine (and high) without them.

 

[Anonymous Dissident]

Well, I have some idea. I've taken them before for anxiety. My current doctor won't prescribe them, so I have to manage without. It's hard, but in the end, I can live without. I just meant that they aren't as essential as e.g. antibiotics.

Theres a very high chance that a seizure could kill me if I dont have the benzodiazepines I am prescribed. Please educate yourself on the topic before chiming in and talking utter bullshit. Thanks in advance...

 

[Eryximachus]

Theres a very high chance that a seizure could kill me if I dont have the benzodiazepines I am prescribed. Please educate yourself on the topic before chiming in and talking utter bullshit. Thanks in advance...

The risk of seizure for non-epileptics is very low at therapeutic doses. There are better drugs if you have epilepsy. Just saying as a lot of people at modest dosages think they'll have a seizure. If you taper down to 5mg or less of diazepam or the equivalency, the risk is super low.

 

[Survival0200]

Theres a very high chance that a seizure could kill me if I dont have the benzodiazepines I am prescribed. Please educate yourself on the topic before chiming in and talking utter bullshit. Thanks in advance...

Well, yes, it's a different case if you are already addicted to them (should've mentioned this). But for someone who isn't, it's not like you MUST have them. No hard feelings.

 

[nznity]

I remember getting a nice high from Librium the VERY FIRST TIME I took it. I was 16.

Years later, I'd get a buzz off Valium or Xanax the first 2 or 3 times (especially + alcohol) but not after that. Really, there are so many much better ways to get high than with benzos. Trying to use them recreationally just doesn't make sense.

Leave benzos to the folks that really need them. The rest of us will be just fine (and high) without them.

Benzos aren't really a main drug to get high for most ppl using em. Opiate addicts use them to potentiate their nodd and people either on coke or meth, use them for the crash to comedown smoothly

 

[mal3volent]

Well, I have some idea. I've taken them before for anxiety. My current doctor won't prescribe them, so I have to manage without. It's hard, but in the end, I can live without. I just meant that they aren't as essential as e.g. antibiotics.

One thing about benzos is the fact that you don't actually NEED them. Like you don't need Viagra either. They just improve the quality of your life. You won't die if you don't get them. So, unless you have a very empathic doctor you probably won't get them these days.

When you live with severe and debilitating anxiety and gastrointestinal issues and they take away the one thing that gives you any relief, you could definitely die. You know...suicide.

Not everyone's anxiety is the same. I'm not a soccer mom who comes home after a busy day and pops a Xanax.

Actually, according to your criteria (you don't need it if you won't die immediately after you stop taking it), I can't think of many substances at all that a person needs. Even oxygen you can temporarily live without.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

Well, I have some idea. I've taken them before for anxiety. My current doctor won't prescribe them, so I have to manage without. It's hard, but in the end, I can live without. I just meant that they aren't as essential as e.g. antibiotics.

For some of us, they are that essential. I’d be dead without them right now.

But I understand what you’re getting at; they aren’t great for long term anxiety treatment. They should be reserved for those with physical ailments and the most extreme, untreatable mental disorders.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

Ref the Op- I have sympathy for your problem, but you kind of want your cake and to eat it too. You said as much. I would have committed suicide if it wasn’t for my benzoyl isey, and I never got it from a doctor. The only way to solve this issue is to make significant efforts to end the war on drugs. That mean spending less time of forums like this and more time doing actual things in the real world. This is a forum, primarily, for drug users. Supposed heartfelt please for us not to use drugs so you can are, frankly, very insulting. We all have our reasons. Don’t pretend your reason is superior to mine, and don’t pretend yours is more legitimate. Your post is quite self serving and incredibly pathetic, especially when you admit to using benson for other, less doctor approved reasons. It’s quite insulting.

Dude… did you read any of my posts, or even the whole OP? I get my alprazolam from my doctor ffs. I am scripted it off label for the myorelaxant properties. I have a disorder that mimics your appendix bursting when not treated with alprazolam… no other medication works (even other BZDs)… you’re gonna tell me I’m selfish and shit for wanting to not feel like my appendix is bursting? Would you wana live 24/7 with that kind of pain?

 

[Eryximachus]

Let's keep cool guys. There are a small minority of people who require benzodiazepines long-term. It is true that no other class of drugs is as effective for anxiety with the same safety profile. That said for most people, anxiety is usually transient and directly related to life circumstances that may change. Also for most people, side effects at therapeutic doses are minimal (especially compared to antidepressants and antipsychotics.) Anterograde amnesia is probably the biggest problem because it's so subtle until you think back and realize years have gone by and newer memories are kind of hazy.

Withdrawal is definitely unpleasant, and for some people it's severe in duration, but most people get through it. While tapering is necessary, the craziness of the internet is overblown. I read sites like Benzobuddies and I cringe. Forums like this one filled a niche after Usenet died, but while the moderation got rid of spam and child pornography, it also centralized control of information such that it became quite distorted. Whole communities run by a few moderators have convinced their userbase and in some cases the public at large psychotropic drug X causes 10,000,000 permanent, debilitating side effects during use or withdrawal. You didn't see any of that in the Usenet days. You search for "benzo withdrawal" on Google, and rational sites like this one don't even come up. It's all rehab clinics that can't do anything for you, exaggerate how bad withdrawal is without their help, and Benzobuddies. What's funny is Google is the sole host of Usenet archives today, so you can see for yourself.

So take them if you want them or need them, don't be afraid to get off them if you wish/need to. Be aware that fentanyl has been found in black market benzos. And be aware that doctors will, due to liability and regulatory issues, make it increasingly harder to get a benzo prescription. The safest and best choice is to get off them now rather than wait and having a doctor cold turkey you or risk dying of some psycho putting a 1 mg of fentanyl in your xanax.

 

[jasperkent]

.....risk dying of some psycho putting a 1 mg of fentanyl in your xanax.

Yes.
A coworker of mine probably would've died a couple months ago if his buddy didn't have naloxone(Narcan) handy. He had taken HALF of a "Xanax bar" (pressed, of course) and passed out, turned blue, etc...and this guy has a moderate tolerance to opioids.

 

[Robi]

a good while ago i was sold 6 bars, i really didnt know shit, except the folks around me saying how good a bar was, so i took one, waited, took more, so on and so forth, i knew they were bunk after no relief, but thank the good gods it wasnt fent, this is before i knew what that crap was everywhere, id be a dead bunny for sure if they were laced, i worry so much about benzos, ive encreased use to about .5 a day unless i dont feel anxiety, just seems i want to be ahead of it, ive gone three days and got tummy aches, i just seem hyper focused on this script, i get 60 .5 on the 1st, cant believe i have 50 left, trying so hard just to deal with everything sober but gosh they are a god send but i never should have gone to benzo buddies, well,god works in mysterious ways, i adore you Jas, and pleased your friends friend, seems like we spend more time with co workers that family sometimes, didnt die from a "Xanax" appreciate your post Eryx

 

[Anonymous Dissident]

Well, yes, it's a different case if you are already addicted to them (should've mentioned this). But for someone who isn't, it's not like you MUST have them. No hard feelings.

I'd say "physically dependent" more than addicted. I'm prescribed them both for anxiety as an anticonvulsant. I know it's a thin line between getting addicted to to a street drug than when one becomes dependent upon a prescription. No hard feelings here either

 

[LucidSDreamr]

No it's not up to users to ensure availability of medicinal narcotics. It's up to policy makers.

Addicts are like gravity and will always exist no matter what. How will policy makers respond?

 

[JackARoe]

No it's not up to users to ensure availability of medicinal narcotics. It's up to policy makers.

And the first thing they need to do is get the f*ck out of the way of the medical field and leave health and medicine between patient and doctor. I can not tell you how mad I get when I read the D EA is putting their nose into medical care and making decisions on what is a crime or not. The policy makers, as we see only do what they think the people that will vote for them want. Even if it is eating shit. So yeah, they created a narrative that a drug user is a low life that needs to stay away from YOUR children. The nonsense really irritates me.

All medical stuff should be off limits to law enforcement unless it is a crime like letting tons of pills out of a pharmacy. Something tangible like that an not anything to do with treatment between doctor and patient. A line should be drawn between medicine and law enforcement.

But as far as the original warning in the posts, I had a neighbor years ago that was on librium for 20 years. When she came off she ended up having what they call a "nervous breakdown" (I always chuckled at that term because it is vague) . She ended up in a few hospitals as they did not know what was wrong with her. I mean this was the middle 1980's but I have to say, even then some doctors did not consider benzo withdrawal. Years later I now know what happened. I bet this woman would have liked to know she was not going crazy and should have tapered. That is where we learn at BL what should be done to get off safely. Looking back that was unnecessary and a damn shame for my neighbor.

Medicine should have a wall up and law enforcement and politicians need to stay the hell out of it. I can not tell you how aggravated that makes me. Because we all know some law enforcement is nothing but bullying.

 

[MindlessBilly]

This last one showed first signs 9 days before the actual insult.

The signs were, an stressful event, sleepless nights, entering a state where you feel like you are dreaming while awake and when i slept and had dreams, I would be partial conscious during these dreams which where mainly about trauma's, current situation but also other thing's that were up at the moment.

Would I read a paper before bed I would get very vivid complicated dreams about an imaginative newspaper. Unrestful sleep. The sleep depreveation leads evtually to a Psychotic [Ictal episode] state. Although in that state i did complex tasks like calling the Neuroloog telling I felt and seizure coming on.

They didn't see it. So I was left. The Psychosis is rare i understand, and I myself recall little from these fases. What I do recall is the so called aura's, and audio, sense and scent being real good. Weird sound's sometimes occurred like a buzz. But if i listened to music previous i would here music. 'all along the watchtower' by Jimi was the first.

The night of the actual seizure. Tonic -clonic i experience partial loss off awareness. My balance an coordination are distorted as well as my eyesight and fine motor control. The fact I am partial conscious durin or inbetween makes it even more dangerous. As i tried to move around. Which seemed almost impossible, i had a commitment to avoid stairs that luckily was prominent in my mind. So i pee-ed in the bathroom.

 

[Eryximachus]

Yes.
A coworker of mine probably would've died a couple months ago if his buddy didn't have naloxone(Narcan) handy. He had taken HALF of a "Xanax bar" (pressed, of course) and passed out, turned blue, etc...and this guy has a moderate tolerance to opioids.

That is scary shit. Since it's become more apparent the fentanyl testing strips don't work for the increasingly huge variety of fentanyl analogies, I increasingly think there is a bigger story. Legalization and regulation is the only solution, on a societal level. But that's too far off to risk it.

 

[Larimar]

Ref the Op- I have sympathy for your problem, but you kind of want your cake and to eat it too. You said as much. I would have committed suicide if it wasn’t for my benzoyl isey, and I never got it from a doctor. The only way to solve this issue is to make significant efforts to end the war on drugs. That mean spending less time of forums like this and more time doing actual things in the real world. This is a forum, primarily, for drug users. Supposed heartfelt please for us not to use drugs so you can are, frankly, very insulting. We all have our reasons. Don’t pretend your reason is superior to mine, and don’t pretend yours is more legitimate. Your post is quite self serving and incredibly pathetic, especially when you admit to using benson for other, less doctor approved reasons. It’s quite insulting.

I kind of agree with you . It’s not fair to tell other people not to use something just so he can . Plus I have seen op say he likes suboxone, and doesn’t have a opiate problem , so that’s not fair , it’s okay for him to recreationally use something and tell others they can’t cause he needs it .

 

[Burnt Offerings]

I don't think he's condemning all BZD usage that takes place outside of "approved usage", necessarily, I think he's just urging that people show some restraint and not act like a complete blacked-out lunatic while under the influence of BZDs...as that will give the drug class a bad name and possibly make it more difficult for patients to receive it

 

[Burnt Offerings]

No it's not up to users to ensure availability of medicinal narcotics. It's up to policy makers.

Addicts are like gravity and will always exist no matter what. How will policy makers respond?

^ But I also largely agree with that.

A close family member of mine has severe orthopedic problems and is a pain management patient, and sometimes I've been resentful of out-of-control opioid users who I felt made it less likely for this individual to receive the best healthcare they could, i.e. an appropriate level of pain medication for their condition. But, like that poster said, such people have always existed, will always exist etc, and it's useless to be upset at them

 

[emkee_reinvented]

^ But I also largely agree with that.

A close family member of mine has severe orthopedic problems and is a pain management patient, and sometimes I've been resentful of out-of-control opioid users who I felt made it less likely for this individual to receive the best healthcare they could, i.e. an appropriate level of pain medication for their condition. But, like that poster said, such people have always existed, will always exist etc, and it's useless to be upset at them

I agree but getting a suitable med prescribed my a authorized person is hardly possible. If not impossible.