Pink Champagne Meth-is there anything special about it other than the color?

[AutoTripper]

I’m pretty sure these are lyrics to an 80s pop song that early-adopted “rap” vocals… Blondie or someone ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Ok so you’re telling me you get nausea if you swallow down your tabs of acid, but not when administered rectally, is that it? I suspect you’ve either caused this effect through placebo and expectations, or I simply don’t know the superiority of plugging tabs of acid in my asshole, which seems like an idiotic way to dose something as potent as LSD. I mean, if you’re just trying to avoid putting the LSD in contact with your gut, why not just dose sublingually?

Either way, the stomach’s lining contains serotonin, and often times serotonergic drugs will cause nausea just from being in the peripheral nervous system, and/or by direct agonism of the 5-HT3 serotonin subtype which regulates nausea. Mescaline is a good example of this, as many ppl get nauseated from it, at least during the come up. LSD typically doesn’t do this though. Mushrooms can cause nausea via serotonergic action and/or by the fact that the mushroom fibers and spores aren’t digestible by most mammals (which is why they pass through a cow’s digestive system unscathed and surrounded by fertilizer; hence why mushrooms grow in cow patties).

Personally I think of rectal administration as an alternative to intravenous injection. The near-immediate onset of IV isn’t replicable but in general, risk / harm potential is at least reduced a good deal. I’m not invalidating this ROA; I’m just pointing out that with LSD, there is no immediate onset ROA that I know of, and even if there were, so what? That’s not the point of LSD. Inhale ~50mg of vaporized DMT freebase for near-instant tripping, right?

I don’t think you’re accomplishing any nausea avoidance going this route. But then LSD doesn’t nauseate me, and never has. Granted it’s not an appetite-inducing drug either, but all the same, with few exceptions I don’t believe LSD is known to cause nausea regularly. But now I’m curious about your logistics. Do you just place a couple blotter tabs directly into your rectum, or do you soak the blotter in ~2mL of distilled water, draw the water into an oral syringe, and then boof that magic dragon? If the latter, you are using distilled water, right? Small amounts of chlorine can fuck up the small amount of LSD in tabs of acid, after all.

Idk maybe it’s just me, but that sounds like a completely unnecessary, functionally useless, and uncomfortable route for administration of LSD, and I’m doubtful regarding your claims of bioavailability increase.

Mind you: I’m not saying you’re making this up; rather, it seems kind of like a placebo effect based on preconceived expectations. Just my proverbial $0.02, but... don’t put LSD in your asshole; put it under your tongue for a few minutes, then chew it up and swallow it down. Or just swallow it immediately. Real acid will come on regardless, while NBomes and the like are destroyed by first-pass metabolism.

I guess it’s worth mentioning that I’m middle-aged AF, and my generation tends to view this ROA harshly. I like to think I’m more open-minded, but I’m willing to admit I could be lying to myself there and I just don’t know it. But from my perspective, preference for rectal administration seems to run along generational lines with Gen Z and Millennials very accepting of it, while Gen X and Baby Boomers are much more apprehensive and view boofing as the borderline insane actions of someone with an odd drug problem.

Personally, I see what both sides of the argument are saying but I lean toward agreeing with the younger generations on this one. This is not one of those instances though, bc to me it’s absurd to put something active in the microgram range into your butt. Different strokes for different folks though I guess.

I wet the tabs, already very soft paper which disintegrates quickly in the mouth. Then yes, just push in just far enough and leave.

It’s nothing to do with faster onset. For me, it’s actually more gradual, subtle, not as in my face.

I have never really liked the intensity of high dose LSD comeups. The tension, anxiety, unrest which is very common.

None of this I experience when plugging the tabs, for a start. I like a smooth comeup.

Plugging is so much smoother, you forget all about it it’s so smooth but gradually you are coming up more and more.

The nausea is not placebo. I’m not alone at all there. Yes, some people don’t get nausea with oral LSD, but we are all different.

Sublingual makes no difference in that regard.

I also experience moderately bothersome respiratory effects from oral ingestion- I have severe allergies to most things, result of longterm Lyme Disease and destroyed immune system.

I get zero respiratory bother when I plug.

I have serious trouble eating food due to allergies, majorly restricted diet, infections, general poor metabolism due to overall conditions. Taking acid makes it even harder for me to successfully eat and digest food.

Plugging helps mitigate this massively, for me personally.

Effect wise, it really is so much harder hitting, a longer peak, but less edge overall.

I have tripped for 25 years, I’m middle aged myself. I have extensive psychedellic experience and make shrewd observation.

I feel it’s unfair to so simply discount my report based on belief, theory, without first hand experience.

LSD by eye, feels very different to oral/sublingual, and plugging. Very notably. I did it maybe 6 times decades back. I’m not advocating, but by eye the drug feels and works differently as it does plugging, stronger too in both cases.

Don’t knock it before you’ve tried it I say.
Been a heavy 3 days, 2.5 mg’s Wednesday to Friday.

 

[AutoTripper]

I’m pretty sure these are lyrics to an 80s pop song that early-adopted “rap” vocals… Blondie or someone ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The silly auto correct messed up the line you quoted here. I meant- it’s not a quantative thing (Alexa, you stupid bitch lol), NOT a quantile thing.

 

[unodelacosa]

Right. So you’re not quoting me correctly, btw. And yes ppl still use the term ”blowing up” for peaking on MDMA. Really, we’re splitting hairs, here. My biggest point is that high-quality MDMA still exists and has me blowing up just as hard as I did 20+ years ago.

 

[AutoTripper]

Right. So you’re not quoting me correctly, btw. And yes ppl still use the term ”blowing up” for peaking on MDMA. Really, we’re splitting hairs, here. My biggest point is that high-quality MDMA still exists and has me blowing up just as hard as I did 20+ years ago.

I don’t believe this is disputed however there are vast numbers of people who have very contradictory experiences, and highly variable ones too which set, setting etc simply cannot account for.

So it is accepted, there is still true, pure, legit (hopefully more valid than Original) MDMA, I would like to use the word magic as well but I won’t push things too far just now.

I have not taken MDMA since 2005 so I can’t objectively contribute. I did acquire two Dutch Bowser MDMA pills from a reliable source 2 years ago, 220 mg’s.

But I fear a nasty allergic reaction, I haven’t found the resolve or confidence to take the risk.

There’s a real chance of an extremely unpleasant prolonged allergic reaction. Manifesting typically with severe respiratory symptoms, stomach.

However....I would feel very confident about plugging the MDMA pills, to fully negate both the respiratory allergy symptoms and tummy upset.

I plugged MDMA decades ago. Just like with LSD, it’s a much stronger effect.

But there’s more of a process about it, so easy to plug a load of wetted LSD tabs and it never fails to work.

Plus, apart from potential allergy to the plugged MDMA still affecting my dystegulated nervous system, my main concern is likelihood of at least some cognitive decline.

I hammered my brain decades prior with a good 3500 pills worth. That doesn’t trouble me at all.

But with my excessive LSD use now, I trust no real physical harm will occur. I mean, my head is totally shot right now. I took 138 trips at 100 ug consistently since February.

But I don’t feel like I’ve lost anything as such. Just tired, overstretched.

I’m really happy with my easy socialising capabilities, sharp quick mind using language, zero social anxiety. I would hate to take MDMA once and notice a decline in the sharpness of my cognition and mental acuity.

But anyway, the point is, if everybody who took MDMA nowadays, took by sounds what you take yourself @unodelacosa then I can’t imagine there would be such widespread disgruntlement.

Like I said in the main thread, we never imagined such discussions up until 2005.

1996 the scene was still flooded with high quality Doves, Dolphins, Elephants, Californian Sunrisers etc, but from 97 there was a lull, unpredictably, lowly dosed pills, like barely 50 mg’s.

Late 97, the 1st Mitsubishi’s emerged and that bumped up the game.

In 1999 and 2000 I came across silly sublime MDMA pills. And throughout the 00’s too, up until 2005 when I was forced to stop.

No magic loss at all, despite use rarely reported. I can easily consider there is both true, quality MDMA going round, plus a huge amount of something either slightly different but reacts the same in testing, or just a different type of MDMA.

I mean....if every pill was like the OG Doves, Elephants, Mitsubishi’s, Smiley Faces, Armani’s, Tiny Rolexes, so many more.....no way could this discussion have picked up like the snowball it has become.

That’s the point really. I don’t mean to patronize at all or imply I “know”, just very wasted from cid still, plus weed and kava tonight.

 

[AutoTripper]

Right. So you’re not quoting me correctly, btw. And yes ppl still use the term ”blowing up” for peaking on MDMA. Really, we’re splitting hairs, here. My biggest point is that high-quality MDMA still exists and has me blowing up just as hard as I did 20+ years ago.

I never used- blowing up btw. However I did like- I’m eeing hard/out of my face lol.

 

[dextroisomer]

I don’t believe this is disputed however there are vast numbers of people who have very contradictory experiences, and highly variable ones too which set, setting etc simply cannot account for.

So it is accepted, there is still true, pure, legit (hopefully more valid than Original) MDMA, I would like to use the word magic as well but I won’t push things too far just now.

I have not taken MDMA since 2005 so I can’t objectively contribute. I did acquire two Dutch Bowser MDMA pills from a reliable source 2 years ago, 220 mg’s.

But I fear a nasty allergic reaction, I haven’t found the resolve or confidence to take the risk.

There’s a real chance of an extremely unpleasant prolonged allergic reaction. Manifesting typically with severe respiratory symptoms, stomach.

However....I would feel very confident about plugging the MDMA pills, to fully negate both the respiratory allergy symptoms and tummy upset.

I plugged MDMA decades ago. Just like with LSD, it’s a much stronger effect.

But there’s more of a process about it, so easy to plug a load of wetted LSD tabs and it never fails to work.

Plus, apart from potential allergy to the plugged MDMA still affecting my dystegulated nervous system, my main concern is likelihood of at least some cognitive decline.

I hammered my brain decades prior with a good 3500 pills worth. That doesn’t trouble me at all.

But with my excessive LSD use now, I trust no real physical harm will occur. I mean, my head is totally shot right now. I took 138 trips at 100 ug consistently since February.

But I don’t feel like I’ve lost anything as such. Just tired, overstretched.

I’m really happy with my easy socialising capabilities, sharp quick mind using language, zero social anxiety. I would hate to take MDMA once and notice a decline in the sharpness of my cognition and mental acuity.

But anyway, the point is, if everybody who took MDMA nowadays, took by sounds what you take yourself @unodelacosa then I can’t imagine there would be such widespread disgruntlement.

Like I said in the main thread, we never imagined such discussions up until 2005.

1996 the scene was still flooded with high quality Doves, Dolphins, Elephants, Californian Sunrisers etc, but from 97 there was a lull, unpredictably, lowly dosed pills, like barely 50 mg’s.

Late 97, the 1st Mitsubishi’s emerged and that bumped up the game.

In 1999 and 2000 I came across silly sublime MDMA pills. And throughout the 00’s too, up until 2005 when I was forced to stop.

No magic loss at all, despite use rarely reported. I can easily consider there is both true, quality MDMA going round, plus a huge amount of something either slightly different but reacts the same in testing, or just a different type of MDMA.

I mean....if every pill was like the OG Doves, Elephants, Mitsubishi’s, Smiley Faces, Armani’s, Tiny Rolexes, so many more.....no way could this discussion have picked up like the snowball it has become.

That’s the point really. I don’t mean to patronize at all or imply I “know”, just very wasted from cid still, plus weed and kava tonight.

Hey,
I enjoyed reading this. Very interesting.
I'm impressed by the amounts mentioned. Yet, you can still articulate your words very very well. Your writing or grammar, your style of writing, I like how well you express yourself. I am only relieved to know that you are well. I sincerely hope that you are well and in good shape.
Thank you so much for sharing your experience.
I wish you the best.

 

[dextroisomer]

That's maybe laying it on a bit thick there… memories tend toward exaggeration… man, if only a drug really could consistently and ubiquitously produce nonstop orgasm for four hours… holy fuck, perhaps literally


Ooh, maybe for you and me it was that way, but some of the domestic production supply was disgusting and filled with really bad, foul, and toxic-to-the-body garbage. Hillbilly crank and the sort was getting really gross until production shifted to Mexico thanks to U.S. legislation regarding pseudoephedrine.

I do see your point there, though. But overall, things are still better, I think, with few exceptions.


WTF – am I somehow the only person in the U.S. that has a solid connection on really high quality MDMA that makes me roll my fucking tits off just as hard as I did back in the 90s? I guess I got lucky or something with my source, idk, but I don't see why so many ppl think MDMA was better in years past. I can only figure they aren't comparing apples to apples, and hence why there's a super long thread about just that topic… odd.


You really don't think you're maybe exaggerating a little bit here? I mean, goddamn; let's read that definition in fact:

Ecstasy | ˈekstəsē | noun (plural ecstasies) "1. an overwhelming feeling of great happiness or joyful excitement; 2. an emotional or religious frenzy or trance-like state, originally one involving an experience of mystic self-transcendence."

So you're saying it went beyond that for you?

Also, I just want to point out the vast array of available compounds these days compared to the small selection we had to choose from in the 90s…

Lol. It Felt it did went beyond the definition perhaps I exaggerated. But indeed were amazing.

 

[AutoTripper]

Hey,
I enjoyed reading this. Very interesting.
I'm impressed by the amounts mentioned. Yet, you can still articulate your words very very well. Your writing or grammar, your style of writing, I like how well you express yourself. I am only relieved to know that you are well. I sincerely hope that you are well and in good shape.
Thank you so much for sharing your experience.
I wish you the best.

Hi. Thanks for those warm words. Yes you are right, I’ve always been a genuine phenomenon in this regard. I also take Etizolam equivalent of 150 mg’s diazepam a day too. Even without the 13.8 mg’s LSD since February I shouldn’t really be able to mumble much sense at all.

And that guy I responded to was giving me an unnecessarily and unjustified hard time I felt, with an attitude and chip on shoulder, I will say aloud, because it’s quite common for new members to come crashing in here, ego’s bursting, preaching gospel down noses at us.

I can’t take any more LSD for now though. It takes all I have to not go crazy as I have severe long term health conditions like the worst allergies imaginable, no immune system and permanent respiratory infections and all over, chronic fatigue and so much more.

I’m just shaking up some lovely Fijian kava to settle me before a shower and I’m about to run a course of electromedicine treatment over my entire lungs which is the best way to kill infections fast.

Then I do really horrendous but essential steam inhalation’s with essential oils daily to clear tonnes of thick mucus from my lungs.

If I was physically well, I could handle the LSD aftermath but not being able to breathe, eat, or sleep, or even get up most days, without climbing Everest in terms of thorough, aggressive proactive and truly ingenious symptoms management methods I have devised over decades to survive basically.

I hope to hold resolve now, no LSD for 2 months if I can. Really try and fortify things, get stronger, get a foothold, calm my racing mind down. And just feeling okay again would be a wonder.

@dextroisomer nice to meet you here and thanks very much again for a nice comment, really wishing you the best too.

 

[unodelacosa]

But anyway, the point is, if everybody who took MDMA nowadays, took by sounds what you take yourself @unodelacosa then I can’t imagine there would be such widespread disgruntlement

What I take myself? Like I’m alone in this, the only person in the world to have high-quality MDMA in 2021, lol. And “widespread disgruntlement”? Is that the name of your new band or just your speculation without any actual facts and figures? You think this one forum is representative enough of the total percentage of people consuming MDMA around the globe that you feel confident saying there is “widespread disgruntlement”? Come on, man. You’re kidding me, right?

The popularity of MDMA has steadily risen overall since the 90s, and you think the quality has dropped everywhere at once? There are more than just one or two labs, you know. And btw, there is no such thing as “a different kind of MDMA,” not in terms of organic chemistry. Marketing terms are on thing, but pure MDMA is pure MDMA.

Evidently non-L.E.-backed analytical data is not very reliable nor accurate enough yet to conclusively determine what’s in a particular sample of what’s been called “MDMA”, so really, all of this is just superfluous arguments with a brick wall. It’s disappointing to me that IEC doesn’t have a better grasp on the quality of their analyses, regardless of how much of this is their own fault versus the continual severe let down that is global drug prohibition.

Listen I was in the scene in the 90s, too. I remember these presses. Those Mitsubishi’s were mind-blowing when they hit the scene and it wasn’t too long afterward someone pressed a huge batch of fake ones. A whole bunch of us got burned. It wasn’t all raver’s delight perfection back then either. Cuts and subs still abounded. In 2000, about a dozen candy kids died in Chicago because some fucking sociopath put out a batch of PMA/PMMA pills.

So just pump your breaks a little there before you discard what I’m saying like Idk what I’m talking about. In the meantime, I’ve thought about writing up a guide explaining how someone could potentially clean up their MDMA via fractional vacuum distillation followed by liquid phase chromatography with dichloromethane; but these techniques bring serious challenges with them to the everday MDMA user, from procuring equipment and chemicals, to avoiding any potential extra legal risks beyond the obvious possession charge (for example, someone cleaning their MDMA in a kitchen lab could be indicted, I imagine, for manufacturing MDMA. One cannot legally distill store-bought liquor either without a proper license from the state for manufacturing alcoholic beverages).

 

[AutoTripper]

What I take myself? Like I’m alone in this, the only person in the world to have high-quality MDMA in 2021, lol. And “widespread disgruntlement”? Is that the name of your new band or just your speculation without any actual facts and figures? You think this one forum is representative enough of the total percentage of people consuming MDMA around the globe that you feel confident saying there is “widespread disgruntlement”? Come on, man. You’re kidding me, right?

The popularity of MDMA has steadily risen overall since the 90s, and you think the quality has dropped everywhere at once? There are more than just one or two labs, you know. And btw, there is no such thing as “a different kind of MDMA,” not in terms of organic chemistry. Marketing terms are on thing, but pure MDMA is pure MDMA.

Evidently non-L.E.-backed analytical data is not very reliable nor accurate enough yet to conclusively determine what’s in a particular sample of what’s been called “MDMA”, so really, all of this is just superfluous arguments with a brick wall. It’s disappointing to me that IEC doesn’t have a better grasp on the quality of their analyses, regardless of how much of this is their own fault versus the continual severe let down that is global drug prohibition.

Listen I was in the scene in the 90s, too. I remember these presses. Those Mitsubishi’s were mind-blowing when they hit the scene and it wasn’t too long afterward someone pressed a huge batch of fake ones. A whole bunch of us got burned. It wasn’t all raver’s delight perfection back then either. Cuts and subs still abounded. In 2000, about a dozen candy kids died in Chicago because some fucking sociopath put out a batch of PMA/PMMA pills.

So just pump your breaks a little there before you discard what I’m saying like Idk what I’m talking about. In the meantime, I’ve thought about writing up a guide explaining how someone could potentially clean up their MDMA via fractional vacuum distillation followed by liquid phase chromatography with dichloromethane; but these techniques bring serious challenges with them to the everday MDMA user, from procuring equipment and chemicals, to avoiding any potential extra legal risks beyond the obvious possession charge (for example, someone cleaning their MDMA in a kitchen lab could be indicted, I imagine, for manufacturing MDMA. One cannot legally distill store-bought liquor either without a proper license from the state for manufacturing alcoholic beverages).

I never suggested or considered you don’t know what you are talking about, and I intuited that you have the same longterm valid experience. I just don’t see it as being so black and white as you made it sound, and I didn’t feel like you needed to be quite so antagonistic. Sorry if I said anything a little rude, insensitive I’m pretty nuts atm just getting my head back together,

Indeed, the first Mitsubishis winter 1997 UK Gangster Dolphin rave, Amazing. 3 weeks later, same rave diff place, same guy, Mitzis like watered down wine in comparison.

But over the next 5 years, I encountered many many batches of Mitzis that were world class, among the duds, including pure sugar ones at times.

 

[unodelacosa]

and I didn’t feel like you needed to be quite so antagonistic

Sorry, I didn’t mean to come across so hardcore about my points. My bad, man; doubly so since you were coming down from acid, which is still my favorite drug since I first took it. Its safety profile is like that, too. The quality of LSD in recent years, at least the LSD I’ve come across, has been stellar; I’m grateful for that and almost always prefer tripping to rolling, personally.

 

[AutoTripper]

Sorry, I didn’t mean to come across so hardcore about my points. My bad, man; doubly so since you were coming down from acid, which is still my favorite drug since I first took it. Its safety profile is like that, too. The quality of LSD in recent years, at least the LSD I’ve come across, has been stellar; I’m grateful for that and almost always prefer tripping to rolling, personally.

No worries mate Im only half myself right now. 25 years I'be dived as deep as I could go, used to take the best MDMA multiple days inna row, like 11 days one time, 54 Buddha Pills, really strong trippy pills, likely MDA in them, 2 would last a night.

And I worked a full 7 days in UK Tescos superstore during that 11 day bender starting New Year's Eve 2001.

Simialr exppolits many times. 80 pulls in a week, once in 3 days by accidiental twighlight zone time dilation miscaluculation on returning to university.


So much more just some examples because in all those situations and hundreds others, despite the true physical brain assault of MDMA and MDA (MDE is not exempt either, gets so little attention too, when it was really very common in 94 to 97 ecstasy pills, even the good old white doves), I always picked up the pieces and chugged along.


I took lots and lots of LSD over time too, not boastfully....but right now, Ive never experienced quite this. The work I am having to do to console my mind, keep my witts together until times resolves.

It's like, I can't think, at times, the intense waking aftermath of my recent trips up to 1875 ug maximum.

It's exactly 48 hours since my last dose and I feel it pretty strongly still.


Ive learnt so much about LSD recently going so deep, one thing is to respect it more. And boy are there some pieces to pick up, like never before.


I pushed for that though. I wanted to really go nuts on acid just to see what it is like.

All my past wild MDMA, LSD, Ketamine excursions were park palks to brush behind me in comparison to this current state.

So your kniwledge and experience is very welcome indeed, and sorry again if some of my words were antagonistic or offensive.

I just wanted to make the point that if you perhaps gentled your own posting tone, your knowledge, points and content will shine thrkugh much more clearly and be far better received, presented for debate rather than a feeling of challenge.

But Im nobody to preach. Thank god for Kava, is keeping me chilled until my mind relaxes from the intensity of the LSD avtermath head scramble.

 

[AutoTripper]

Sorry, I didn’t mean to come across so hardcore about my points. My bad, man; doubly so since you were coming down from acid, which is still my favorite drug since I first took it. Its safety profile is like that, too. The quality of LSD in recent years, at least the LSD I’ve come across, has been stellar; I’m grateful for that and almost always prefer tripping to rolling, personally.

Meant to say, as I sip a hot strong black coffee now to wake me up in the morning sunlight, after a good vape of sun grown weed, really brings me up on recent trips always, and coffee to wake me up....

You’re dead on there too IMO. By most accounts, LSD quality is high and Top quality, especially from certain sources.

We really do not see this MEH discussion regarding LSD, another telling point to me.

And, not to be antagonistic but just to respond, to your earlier point, I took an interest in really sharing, conversing, listening to longterm, often clever too, psychonauts on numerous platform, many times in open friendly pm’s.

No smoke without fire we said in England. So like I said, I consider there being genuine, real, pure, magic MDMA around, and glad you get that yourself @unodelacosa but if eveyone I’ve inquired with, had any of dozens of the incredible MDMA pills I took, from 1996 right to 2005, It stretches my imagination that there could ever be a report of lacklustreness, nothing but amazing transcendental magic.

Just one thing I want to say. Yes good LSD is fantastic, but buzzing on brilliant MDMA is wild and incredible. I really may plug some someday. Just don’t want to weaken my pure ease of mental acuity really.

 

[unodelacosa]

No smoke without fire we said in England. So like I said, I consider there being genuine, real, pure, magic MDMA around, and glad you get that yourself @unodelacosa but if eveyone I’ve inquired with, had any of dozens of the incredible MDMA pills I took, from 1996 right to 2005, It stretches my imagination that there could ever be a report of lacklustreness, nothing but amazing transcendental magic.

All I’m saying is: be careful this isn’t just confirmation bias.

I used to synthesize MDMA from sassafras oil circa ~20 yrs ago, and I‘m a stickler for purity, so I would clean my MDMA up quite a bit. The MDMA I get now usually still gets an ice-cold, anhydrous acetone rinse and comes out looking much brighter. This stuff is about as empathogenic as one can get, IMHO; and it crushes as much now as the recrystallized MDMA.HCL I made from fractionally vacuum-distilled MDMA oil made via reductive amination of really clean, homemade MDP-2-P.

However, my opinion is just as subjective as yours, and I’m willing to admit that I could be the one affected by confirmation bias. So I’m not saying you’re wrong, but the way your experiences persuade you to believe you’re right is the same way mine persuade me to remain skeptical until further evidence is presented.

Just one thing I want to say. Yes good LSD is fantastic, but buzzing on brilliant MDMA is wild and incredible.

Kinda compares two different categories of drugs, perhaps unfairly? MDMA is a wonderful empathogen, but not much of a substitute for a serotonergic psychedelic drug like psilocin, LSD, mescaline, etc. LSD meanwhile can be emotionally challenging and exhibit less predictability regarding empathy, openness, and communication. I guess I might suggest your statement is better with one substituted word:

LSD is fantastic, and buzzing on brilliant MDMA is wild and incredible.

(Put them together and the experience is wincredibletastic. Brilliant.)

EDIT: I realize I’m the one who first compared LSD to MDMA, but upon reflection this is maybe comparing proverbial apples to oranges... that’s my fault.

 

[AutoTripper]

All I’m saying is: be careful this isn’t just confirmation bias.

I used to synthesize MDMA from sassafras oil circa ~20 yrs ago, and I‘m a stickler for purity, so I would clean my MDMA up quite a bit. The MDMA I get now usually still gets an ice-cold, anhydrous acetone rinse and comes out looking much brighter. This stuff is about as empathogenic as one can get, IMHO; and it crushes as much now as the recrystallized MDMA.HCL I made from fractionally vacuum-distilled MDMA oil made via reductive amination of really clean, homemade MDP-2-P.

However, my opinion is just as subjective as yours, and I’m willing to admit that I could be the one affected by confirmation bias. So I’m not saying you’re wrong, but the way your experiences persuade you to believe you’re right is the same way mine persuade me to remain skeptical until further evidence is presented.


Kinda compares two different categories of drugs, perhaps unfairly? MDMA is a wonderful empathogen, but not much of a substitute for a serotonergic psychedelic drug like psilocin, LSD, mescaline, etc. LSD meanwhile can be emotionally challenging and exhibit less predictability regarding empathy, openness, and communication. I guess I might suggest your statement is better with one substituted word:

LSD is fantastic, and buzzing on brilliant MDMA is wild and incredible.

(Put them together and the experience is wincredibletastic. Brilliant.)

EDIT: I realize I’m the one who first compared LSD to MDMA, but upon reflection this is maybe comparing proverbial apples to oranges... that’s my fault.

True again, probably my favourite of all time, great old day summer illegal but tolerated festivals- Exodus in UK. Best mates around. Harmonious wonderland of teepees over miles, huge grass car park fields.

Best friends around. BEST cannabis, silly silly skunk, pollen and hash, Colombian weed...

Point- that combo of MDMA and LSD, at any time, with great weed and good company...I adored.

Ketamine added a real messiness to it but I still appreciated.

So yeah, I respect your chemistry background, experience and knowledge and thanks for sharing I’m very unschooled really, just vastly experienced myself, as well as always having made observation and inquiry into the experiences of others over time, curiousy. Including last two years. I just smelled too much of a rat.


I’m honestly not professing to know anything, just ideas that’s all.

And I think discussing LSD and MDMA’s similarities, differences, nuances and crisscross relation is very worthy discussion. I like learning others knowledge and views on this.

 

[Lmpopko]

Not sure if already mentioned but might be the phosphorus shaker dope?

 

[unodelacosa]

Not sure if already mentioned but might be the phosphorus shaker dope?

You’re suggesting that the product might be contaminated with red phosphorous from a Nagai reduction in which red phosphorous and iodine react to produce hydroiodic acid that reduces ephedrine (or pseudoephedrine) to meth? Sloppy kitchen chemists from the 1990’s were notorious for this, and the same reduction contaminate is, coincidentally, what causes the Russian epidemic drug Krokodil to produce gangrene and subsequent limb amputation. It isn’t the opioid; it’s the toxic materials not being removed

So naturally that thought crossed my mind too, but it’s been a long time since I’ve seen some hillbilly crank like that. I strongly suspect Birch reductions are the norm and that Ma Huang extract or similar from China is the precursor to be reduced in most super labs. The stereospecificity of a reduction from ephedrine makes for some damn fine methamphetamine once cleaned up properly. Having experience with a half dozen methods of production many years ago, myself, my opinion is that Birch reduction meth is the cleanest, most potent meth typically in terms of underground production.

The Nagai reduction really needs to be run twice, since the first reaction converts something like 75% of the ephedrine/pseudo-e and this product can be reduced again a bit more carefully and the results push up to around 92%. Meanwhile, a well executed Birch can yield 92% on the first run. Fractional distillation and chromatography are the only practical ways to boost the yield higher.

All the same, if you thought it, too; maybe this is a valid guess. Nicely done @Lmpopko

 

[Lmpopko]

Ya

You’re suggesting that the product might be contaminated with red phosphorous from a Nagai reduction in which red phosphorous and iodine react to produce hydroiodic acid that reduces ephedrine (or pseudoephedrine) to meth? Sloppy kitchen chemists from the 1990’s were notorious for this, and the same reduction contaminate is, coincidentally, what causes the Russian epidemic drug Krokodil to produce gangrene and subsequent limb amputation. It isn’t the opioid; it’s the toxic materials not being removed

So naturally that thought crossed my mind too, but it’s been a long time since I’ve seen some hillbilly crank like that. I strongly suspect Birch reductions are the norm and that Ma Huang extract or similar from China is the precursor to be reduced in most super labs. The stereospecificity of a reduction from ephedrine makes for some damn fine methamphetamine once cleaned up properly. Having experience with a half dozen methods of production many years ago, myself, my opinion is that Birch reduction meth is the cleanest, most potent meth typically in terms of underground production.

The Nagai reduction really needs to be run twice, since the first reaction converts something like 75% of the ephedrine/pseudo-e and this product can be reduced again a bit more carefully and the results push up to around 92%. Meanwhile, a well executed Birch can yield 92% on the first run. Fractional distillation and chromatography are the only practical ways to boost the yield higher.

All the same, if you thought it, too; maybe this is a valid guess. Nicely done @Lmpopko

im not too sure thats just the first thing that popped in my head. Lol ive never been in the production part but ive been around tons of it and friends w many ex chemists but im in indiana and alooooot of the stuff up here is that stuff.

 

[dextroisomer]

What I take myself? Like I’m alone in this, the only person in the world to have high-quality MDMA in 2021, lol. And “widespread disgruntlement”? Is that the name of your new band or just your speculation without any actual facts and figures? You think this one forum is representative enough of the total percentage of people consuming MDMA around the globe that you feel confident saying there is “widespread disgruntlement”? Come on, man. You’re kidding me, right?

The popularity of MDMA has steadily risen overall since the 90s, and you think the quality has dropped everywhere at once? There are more than just one or two labs, you know. And btw, there is no such thing as “a different kind of MDMA,” not in terms of organic chemistry. Marketing terms are on thing, but pure MDMA is pure MDMA.

Evidently non-L.E.-backed analytical data is not very reliable nor accurate enough yet to conclusively determine what’s in a particular sample of what’s been called “MDMA”, so really, all of this is just superfluous arguments with a brick wall. It’s disappointing to me that IEC doesn’t have a better grasp on the quality of their analyses, regardless of how much of this is their own fault versus the continual severe let down that is global drug prohibition.

Listen I was in the scene in the 90s, too. I remember these presses. Those Mitsubishi’s were mind-blowing when they hit the scene and it wasn’t too long afterward someone pressed a huge batch of fake ones. A whole bunch of us got burned. It wasn’t all raver’s delight perfection back then either. Cuts and subs still abounded. In 2000, about a dozen candy kids died in Chicago because some fucking sociopath put out a batch of PMA/PMMA pills.

So just pump your breaks a little there before you discard what I’m saying like Idk what I’m talking about. In the meantime, I’ve thought about writing up a guide explaining how someone could potentially clean up their MDMA via fractional vacuum distillation followed by liquid phase chromatography with dichloromethane; but these techniques bring serious challenges with them to the everday MDMA user, from procuring equipment and chemicals, to avoiding any potential extra legal risks beyond the obvious possession charge (for example, someone cleaning their MDMA in a kitchen lab could be indicted, I imagine, for manufacturing MDMA. One cannot legally distill store-bought liquor either without a proper license from the state for manufacturing alcoholic beverages).

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It really is admirable. I'm laying in bed with a headache yet I still enjoy your readings.