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Bluelighter
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Hey SLR,
I was totally upset today from something that my girlfriend said. Its really silly that I should care so much, but its just such a dear part of my values that it hurts to think she feels so different.
Basically we were talking about shares and I said that I would want nothing to do with corporations shares and she was like trying to convince me it was a good idea to invest in some banking share stuff. I'm saying I don't care how much money I get back, I want nothing to do with taking advantage of people and making profit off of people by owning a part of a corporation. She says that its all the same anyway, look your wearing nikes right now! I say well theres a fundamental difference between things that I can control and can't control.
Currently I can't buy any shoes that are not owned by some corporation. If I could buy some hand made canadian home grown boots, I fucking would!! I just don't have the money or the time right now. So I can't control buying "nikes" right now. However, if I had a large sum of money, I have all the control over my decisions on it. I can choose to invest it into some greedy evil extortion corporation, or I can decide to invest it in some other sort of structure. She says well its all the same, you buy nikes, so thats the same as me buying shares. I am like wtf, no! Its similar, but totally different. In one instance I am getting reamed up the ass by a system that forces me to work at mcdonalds and then leaves no other option for footwear than nike or w/e other cheap shoe. In the other instance, the person is in a complete position of choice on what they can do with their money, and if they choose to invest it into some sort of machine that basically rapes and piliges 3rd world countries, I think that is just totally fucked up.
There is a complete difference!~! She says well what if you make 3 million and then go build wells and schools. I.e u use the money that u made from stocks(extorted and used people to get) and then go in build fucking schools in their country after?? lol. So you make em live in terrible conditions and fuck em over, and then go and be all healing and benevolent? bullshit.
I know for a fact that peopel who really care about being honest and not using people, are not capable of owning the types of businesses that make millions because it requires them to do shifty untruthful shit. They simply don't want to take advantage of people ever. They cant justify taking advantage of people just so they can help other people. The funny thing is, She is the type of person who wouldnt take advantage of people. She just cant see what shes doing. She would never open up a Mcdonalds. She would never get involved in any of that gross fucking sales/slime ball company robbery stuff.
Its just because shares seem so far removed from directly taking advantage and using people, so she thinks its different. Its completely the same. Its kind of like the person who eats meat, but wouldn't do it if they had to kill the animal them selves.
What really struck me is how heated she was on the topic. It was like I was questioning her religion or something. She kept bringing me and her into the discussion. Saying that I am self righteous. Maybe I am, I dunno, I am just stating what I see and believe strongly in it and can clearly see that she doesn't know wtf shes talking about because it doesn't make any sense. I can tell when shes not getting what I am saying, not as in shes not agreeing with me, just as in she plainly is missing the logic. We are kind of going through school together(I help her a lot with medical school stuff). So I know her brain well. I know how she figures stuff out, and I just felt like she had made up her mind already and wasn't ready to listen.
It fucking bums me out so much. This is the girl that I sleep with. This is my sexy baby. I don't want her to have any single tiny eeny weeny trace of using people on her. It grosses me out. I know she doesn't have bad intentions. I know she doesn't want to hurt people, but its the not questioning her own beliefs that is a turn off.
I mean, we just had the discussion, so maybe in a week or a month or something she will come around. I certainly believe that if she had the wide range of influences and availability of differing opinions that I have had, she would see her gap in logic.
I remember being exactly where she is. Honestly, I was just as fucking thick and head strong as she was. It took a lot of bashing around before I got the idea of choice. How its different to be someone in a position of choice in regards to putting a spin on corporations and being a person who just has to use a corporation to live reasonably.
What I mean is that if you are poor and you have to buy eggs and the cheapest ones are from some evil thing, you just gota do it! You aint got the choice! But when you have a fucking shit ton of money, you have a choice. You can choose to invest it in the cheaper evil eggs or the nice local ones. You can choose to invest your money in corporations that extort people, or you can choose not to. The logic of "its just the way the world is, if you don't do it someone els will anyway, and I am going to use the system to make millions so I can help other people with all the money" is flawed. Period.
So this really upset me. I don't know what it means. Its not like a deal breaker or anything stupid like that. Shes still the same person. Its just a really gross conservative attitude in my eyes, and I really want it whiped clean from her beautiful mind asap lol.
I don't want like her to just believe me, I want her to actually understand.
The funny thing is, all the great minds know this. All one has to do is watch a talk of TED, Ghandi, Martin Luthar King, Naom Chomski, whoever... Its not like I don't have a fucking army of brilliant amazing thinkers backing me up.
And its not like the converse argument doesnt have a an army of greedy non questioning subjective cut throat close minded folk on their end. lol.
Seriously who is going to support the idea of using companies like Nike or even better a weapons manufacturer so that they can make lots of money and then help people after lol. People with invested interests...
Pwease help lol. I feel an urgent need to fix this. We have been talking about forms of birth control lately, but I am thinking all she has to do is keep this attitude up and remind me of it now and then.
Don't get me wrong. My GF is fucking so sexy. She is so attractive to me mentally too. Its just this one little view.
I think a part of it is that she comes from big money and she has like some insane amount of money coming to her soon. She just seemed so invested in it.
She even said to me I thought about it and I made up my mind and nobody is going to change it lol.
I thought ok well, I believe in my argument well, but I def don't feel that confident in myself!!
PLZ!!! Tell me about your views on the subject and how you would feel if u were in my situation. Would you care? What do you think I should do?
Any ideas on how to get her to learn how her ideas would be a disaster? I am going to look for some lectures/articles out there. You guys know any?
Thank you so much
You guys are the best!!
I was totally upset today from something that my girlfriend said. Its really silly that I should care so much, but its just such a dear part of my values that it hurts to think she feels so different.
Basically we were talking about shares and I said that I would want nothing to do with corporations shares and she was like trying to convince me it was a good idea to invest in some banking share stuff. I'm saying I don't care how much money I get back, I want nothing to do with taking advantage of people and making profit off of people by owning a part of a corporation. She says that its all the same anyway, look your wearing nikes right now! I say well theres a fundamental difference between things that I can control and can't control.
Currently I can't buy any shoes that are not owned by some corporation. If I could buy some hand made canadian home grown boots, I fucking would!! I just don't have the money or the time right now. So I can't control buying "nikes" right now. However, if I had a large sum of money, I have all the control over my decisions on it. I can choose to invest it into some greedy evil extortion corporation, or I can decide to invest it in some other sort of structure. She says well its all the same, you buy nikes, so thats the same as me buying shares. I am like wtf, no! Its similar, but totally different. In one instance I am getting reamed up the ass by a system that forces me to work at mcdonalds and then leaves no other option for footwear than nike or w/e other cheap shoe. In the other instance, the person is in a complete position of choice on what they can do with their money, and if they choose to invest it into some sort of machine that basically rapes and piliges 3rd world countries, I think that is just totally fucked up.
There is a complete difference!~! She says well what if you make 3 million and then go build wells and schools. I.e u use the money that u made from stocks(extorted and used people to get) and then go in build fucking schools in their country after?? lol. So you make em live in terrible conditions and fuck em over, and then go and be all healing and benevolent? bullshit.
I know for a fact that peopel who really care about being honest and not using people, are not capable of owning the types of businesses that make millions because it requires them to do shifty untruthful shit. They simply don't want to take advantage of people ever. They cant justify taking advantage of people just so they can help other people. The funny thing is, She is the type of person who wouldnt take advantage of people. She just cant see what shes doing. She would never open up a Mcdonalds. She would never get involved in any of that gross fucking sales/slime ball company robbery stuff.
Its just because shares seem so far removed from directly taking advantage and using people, so she thinks its different. Its completely the same. Its kind of like the person who eats meat, but wouldn't do it if they had to kill the animal them selves.
What really struck me is how heated she was on the topic. It was like I was questioning her religion or something. She kept bringing me and her into the discussion. Saying that I am self righteous. Maybe I am, I dunno, I am just stating what I see and believe strongly in it and can clearly see that she doesn't know wtf shes talking about because it doesn't make any sense. I can tell when shes not getting what I am saying, not as in shes not agreeing with me, just as in she plainly is missing the logic. We are kind of going through school together(I help her a lot with medical school stuff). So I know her brain well. I know how she figures stuff out, and I just felt like she had made up her mind already and wasn't ready to listen.
It fucking bums me out so much. This is the girl that I sleep with. This is my sexy baby. I don't want her to have any single tiny eeny weeny trace of using people on her. It grosses me out. I know she doesn't have bad intentions. I know she doesn't want to hurt people, but its the not questioning her own beliefs that is a turn off.
I mean, we just had the discussion, so maybe in a week or a month or something she will come around. I certainly believe that if she had the wide range of influences and availability of differing opinions that I have had, she would see her gap in logic.
I remember being exactly where she is. Honestly, I was just as fucking thick and head strong as she was. It took a lot of bashing around before I got the idea of choice. How its different to be someone in a position of choice in regards to putting a spin on corporations and being a person who just has to use a corporation to live reasonably.
What I mean is that if you are poor and you have to buy eggs and the cheapest ones are from some evil thing, you just gota do it! You aint got the choice! But when you have a fucking shit ton of money, you have a choice. You can choose to invest it in the cheaper evil eggs or the nice local ones. You can choose to invest your money in corporations that extort people, or you can choose not to. The logic of "its just the way the world is, if you don't do it someone els will anyway, and I am going to use the system to make millions so I can help other people with all the money" is flawed. Period.
So this really upset me. I don't know what it means. Its not like a deal breaker or anything stupid like that. Shes still the same person. Its just a really gross conservative attitude in my eyes, and I really want it whiped clean from her beautiful mind asap lol.
I don't want like her to just believe me, I want her to actually understand.
The funny thing is, all the great minds know this. All one has to do is watch a talk of TED, Ghandi, Martin Luthar King, Naom Chomski, whoever... Its not like I don't have a fucking army of brilliant amazing thinkers backing me up.
And its not like the converse argument doesnt have a an army of greedy non questioning subjective cut throat close minded folk on their end. lol.
Seriously who is going to support the idea of using companies like Nike or even better a weapons manufacturer so that they can make lots of money and then help people after lol. People with invested interests...
Pwease help lol. I feel an urgent need to fix this. We have been talking about forms of birth control lately, but I am thinking all she has to do is keep this attitude up and remind me of it now and then.
Don't get me wrong. My GF is fucking so sexy. She is so attractive to me mentally too. Its just this one little view.
I think a part of it is that she comes from big money and she has like some insane amount of money coming to her soon. She just seemed so invested in it.
She even said to me I thought about it and I made up my mind and nobody is going to change it lol.
I thought ok well, I believe in my argument well, but I def don't feel that confident in myself!!
PLZ!!! Tell me about your views on the subject and how you would feel if u were in my situation. Would you care? What do you think I should do?
Any ideas on how to get her to learn how her ideas would be a disaster? I am going to look for some lectures/articles out there. You guys know any?
Thank you so much
You guys are the best!!
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