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Heroin Occasional and controlled heroin use

...but I stopped drinking about 3 years ago and it was fucking easy. Just one day I didn't have the first beer and didn't get hammered and just stopped drinking and it was easy, no cravings, no 'withdrawal', there wasn't even any rebound depression or insonmia, even living in a nation of alcoholics where going to a supermarket involves walking through a liquor store (booze is right by the door in NZ supermarkets- you have to walk past it to get to the food), everything is sponsored by alcohol, all of my friends are drinkers and around 70% of my closest friends would, objectively, be considered alcoholics- even so, no problems what-so-ever.

You've had no real problem kicking your alcoholism; it was "fucking easy," and so then it's an easy thing to do for all alcoholics? Having worked with and known many an alcoholic, I would have to say that you are the exception, the rare exception, and not the rule. In fact, all of those things that you've claimed to have avoided are all the things that most recovering alcoholics suffer from... depression, cravings and withdrawal.

I think the distinctive thing about opiate addiction that has no really been noted here is that opiate addiction often takes the form of relationship- junkies tend to be extremely romantic about their addiction in a way that say, meth heads aren't. Opiate addicts often use opiates as a substitute to relationships with other people/the real world- opiates are very enchanting drugs.

I'm not so sure about meth, but alcoholics can be just as romantic about their drinking if not more so than heroin addicts. It's a drink at the bar for the sad, lonely, down-and-out man whose true potential and creative genius has yet to be discovered.

Opiates encourage addiction by becoming more rewarding the more you take them- many people find opiates just make them feel sleepy, itchy and sick the first few times they take them, but as they build a relationship with opiates they learn to appreciate the effects and be willing to experience higher-doses, resulting in an even more profound euphoria (many opiate addicts seem to 'learn to nod'- initially they will take lower doses sorta like benzos to socialise, then they will gradually start using higher doses typically by themselves as they will be fading in and out of consciousness).

The funny thing is that the same is true for alcohol. Alcoholics will sometimes, most of the time, really, drink alcohol by themselves and fade in and out of consciousness. They learn to appreciate those effects that others might deem negative, bothersome, or otherwise unpleasant. They begin to drink at higher doses, etc.

However, I think that one of the most important factors is access. Most people who are opiate addicts have a high degree of access to opiates- this may mean that they have used drugs extensively prior to becoming an opiate user resuting in them being 'integrated' into the 'drug culture' thus able to aquire it on the black market, or they are doctors, nurses or other medical or veteninary staff who have access to opiates through their profession, or they are chemists who have the skills necessary to synthesise opiates and professional access to precursors and lab equipment.

And finally, the same is true for alcohol. You said it yourself earlier in your post, that alcohol is everywhere, in supermarkets, bars, everywhere. Surely an alcoholic will likely progress from drinking socially at bars and with friends to drinking alone and in private.

I'm sorry, but I'm just not at all convinced. I do not see how opiates can be "a whole different ball game" with there being so many similarities between the two.

I think it's high time we shake this impression of opiates that they're somehow the wildebeest of the drug kingdom, something so vastly different from all other substances with appendages unseen before and a mechanism of action truly unique. Really, opiates are not that unique...
 
heroin is much easier to get physically addicted to as compared to alcohol...alcohol is easy to keep down to having a couple drinks just 'after work' or something similar..ou try to do that with heroin and it soon evolves into twice a day, 3 times day..the physical withdrawals start slow but once their hooks are in, they are there to stay..

btw when i quit heroin i wasnt 'normal' within a week..no way in hell, i still had depression and tiredness, no motivation, general blah feeling...when i stopped methadone i wasnt normal for months to a year..ive drank alcohol in the past and never came close to developing addiction either mentally or physically..
 
I quit drinking from a habit of drinking when I woke up every day, NO PROBLEM, I say it's much easier to stop doing something that fucking damages you visbly with each use.
 
heroin is much easier to get physically addicted to as compared to alcohol...alcohol is easy to keep down to having a couple drinks just 'after work' or something similar..ou try to do that with heroin and it soon evolves into twice a day, 3 times day..the physical withdrawals start slow but once their hooks are in, they are there to stay..

I agree with what you've said, but not what you've described; what you've described sounds more to me like mental addiction than physical dependence or physical "addiction."

In other words, an individual who goes on a drinking binge for some length of time might experience the hangover and feeling generally lousy for some time, maybe a day or two, but I can't imagine that this individual will find drinking more to be the solution to their feeling lousy; whereas one who takes heroin pretty regularly will likely find that a bag really and truly does cure their physical symptoms of withdrawal, and of course this is where things get tricky and when developing a true mental addiction to heroin is likely to occur.

So in that respect, the rate at which each substance encourages physical dependence and brings about withdrawal symptoms, I can see what you're saying.

But I also believe that physical dependence can occur without mental addiction. For example, one can become physically dependent upon a substance like xanax (alprazolam) without growing mentally addicted. (I quit taking xanax cold turkey and suffered the withdrawal symptoms, a seizure specifically, but I never, ever crave xanax and I never have.)

And this is where I disagree with you: For an alcoholic, one who is prone to alcoholism and that mental addiction aspect, he or she never had a chance. It never is, never has been and never will be easy to "keep it down" to one drink or two drinks, after work or whenever. You might think that it is, but then you might not be an alcoholic. The same is true for heroin, heroin addiction, and occasional heroin use... IMO.
 
Ahhh 21...Ahhhhh the Heroin honeymoon I remember it well. Seattle in the 80's,90's, Personally I used heroin with impunity for 11 and a half years. When it turned on me my impression was that everything led up to that. Isn't an attitude/belief that I CAN handle it needed to keep me going back?
 
Nothing really shocking about this report, most of it I guessed already. I've always felt that heroin addiction had a lot to do with social background and opportunities in life, however it's a very debatable subject.

I've never believed the media's portrayal of the drug and its users - I'm part of a minority in that I actually underestimated the addictiveness of the drug - but I honestly believe that the vast majority of people that use heroin have a problem. When you consider the general public's perception of the drug you'd wonder why anyone would even take the risk. Heroin obviously produces a lovely euphoria but if you're not addicted I don't know how you'd ever think that the high would be worth the very realistic possibility of ruining your life. People under the age of 25 who begin using heroin (and indeed any other drug) would be more likely to become addicted as the brain has not yet fully developed, therefore these people are more likely to take risks, turning a blind eye to the consequences.

I'm not a full-blown addict myself. I call myself an "occasional addict" because I vary between periods of physical dependency and abstinence. I've injected a few times, but I think I might have done it wrong so I stick to smoking and plugging. I am a bit of afraid of becoming totally dependent as I am still only 17 and while I can control my occasional dependency now due to lack of resources, next year I will be living in the city where it's impossible to avoid.
 
I read the shortened version of the study.

I think that controlled heroin use is possible for people, though it is rare in our society. I feel like America, and other countries perception of what heroin use does to people, shames heroin users into burrowing further into there addiction, and the heroin scene. As having a problem with heroin myself, i found it a lot easier to hang out with other people using heroin and opiates, as I felt that I did not have to hide my use to them, and I could feel free. However, this often resulted in an us against them mentality, which resulted in the use of more and more heroin, to feel better about using a drug that is so stigmatized.

I've attended a lot of twelve step groups, and for a time, I thought that was the only way for a person with an addiction could recover.However, I can't help but think, that in some way, rehabilitation and drug treatment centers almost make recovery seem like an impossible goal, when they tell you that you that there is only one way to recover, and everything else is just an excuse to return t active addiction.

For instance, If I never went to a drug treatment center, or any twelve step programs, and was completely ignorant to those recovery models, I would think that using heroin once a month was fine, a definate step up from using every day.
But since I have been in so many drug treatment centers, I feel that some part of me has accepted the abstinancy model as the "truth", and therefore, using any amount of heroin no matter how infrequent, would seem like a complete. And utter failure. If recovery wasnt based on abstinence, but rather, living a healthy and fulfilling life which could include occasional drug use, I think that a lot of addicts would not return to active addiction and dependency after a relapse, because the guilt and shame about a slip, would not be as strong.

That's my theory at least. I found that eventually my reasons for using heroin and other drugs, was to dull the consequences and shame that I was living with as an addict, in a society that largely deplores the activitys I was engaging in
 
^Well put.
The last time I kicked, I had a dealer living with me, and could get the best stuff for free daily, so long as he had a place to sleep. I quit while he was living still living with me. I gave up on the NA mentality a long time ago. If you can't be around the shit without drooling, you're hopeless, but that's just my opinion.

I could honestly easily use on the ocassion (at the most, as much as any average working person drinks, but less because of tolerance, etc), if it were legal, pure and regulated. When I was last using, everything would have been perfect if my friends didn't constantly bring up that I was on heroin, every fucking other word. This alone pushed me to use more. Meanwhile, they continued to drink and smoke herb like dogs.
 
I've been using opiates occasionally for about 3 years now . I don't have a dependence . I personally think that if you have the discipline to do opiates occasionally they aren't actually that harmful when compared to alcohol or tobacco .

I was never an IV user though . I've always snorted or taken orally .
After 3 years of occasional use my tolerance isnt too shabby .
I can snort 4mg of dilauid and feel really high.
20 mg of oxy is good too but I find that it is a different feeling from hydromorphone . more of an energetic buzz oxy is .

By the way by occasional use I mean 1-3 times a month . sometimes I won't even use it some months . just depends .

I drink about once every 2 months. I smoke weed multiple times times daily.
I have a great diet , take care of my self , work out , etc ....

So far I can safely say my occasional use of opiates hasn't affected my life negtively at all (yet) . in fact I'd say that my weed habit affects my life more negatively than my occasional opiate use . the only reason that is though is because I do opiates not very often unlike weed
 
always been interested to see how long a person can use heroin 'occasionally' without getting addicted..from my experience, most people i know that used heroin were upper middle-class white kids with PLENTY of opportunities to go places..these people already had good jobs, they had to in order to afford their habit...they were not down and out ghetto bums by far..who knows what caused us to start using heroin, i know nubain started many of us on that path..

also in my experience most people that tried to use heroin occasionally for longer than 3 months ended up addicted..i know of no one that has used it occasionally for years on end without getting hooked..
 
I think it is possible in the long run only when you use it only 3-4 times a a year and you also have to anticipate before you use that the feeling is gonna be god damn good whats gonna tempt you to use more so you can control the cravings
 
I just want to say that just because its possible to use heroin occasionally doesnt mean its smart or worthwhile.
 
I use heroin once a week. I have kept this same cycle for 2 years. Every friday, I score .2-.5 grams, use it, have a good time. Then I go out and party Saturday night, maybe have a few drinks, possibly a bit of coke. Sunday, I do my homework, workout and go to bed. The rest of the week I put in a full effort in AP classes such as BC Calculus, AP Chemistry and AP Biology to name a few. Go home, workout and repeat. I AM a controlled user. It is absolutely possible. Black tar is my meditation, my medicine, my relief from the daily grind. I have a 4.2 GPA and scored a 35 on the ACT while in this cycle. I play rugby as well. You must set a schedule and take pride in living this way, be proud of the fact that you've beaten the odds.
I have done every well known substance, crystal meth, crack cocaine, xanax, mushrooms, LSD and DMT to name a few. Don't fear drugs. When you fear, you obey. Respect their power, conquer it, and you will live a wonderful life

You seem like a young person and you're seemingly performing well in college, which is a positive thing. Judging from the way in which you wrote the post, it seems as though you're already somewhat psychologically dependent on heroin. It comes across to me as though you justify your heroin use by your successful curricular and extracurricular activities.

There are tens of thousands of people who have used once weekly for a number of years. Unfortunately, the vast majority of these individuals slid down the slippery slope of using twice a week, then twice a week plus weekends, then ultimately every day and, thus, becoming full blown heroin addicts. I am sure that most of these addicts initially thought that they could control their usage.
 
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how literally all of these threads progress:

person A: I use heroin semi-regularly and I'm not an addict, so it must be possible to use the drug recreationally...

person B: you're an addict, you just don't realize it yet. Give it time!

Literally any thread that asks the question "is it possible to use heroin without ending up penniless and 'on paper' as you shuffle your dopesick ass down to the suboxone doctor" develops like this.
 
People say "oh your addicted u just dont know it and u will slip eventually but thats because we have people who can control themselves and people who can't and those who cant cant understand how a person is using once a week and not addicted so they justify it by saying that and also it probably happend to them.
 
People say "oh your addicted u just dont know it and u will slip eventually but thats because we have people who can control themselves and people who can't and those who cant cant understand how a person is using once a week and not addicted so they justify it by saying that and also it probably happend to them.

Granted, a very small minority of people can control their heroin use. Unfortunately, the OVERWHELMING vast majority of people cannot, in which case the odds are stacked against a person being able to control his or her heroin usage. As I am sure you're aware, heroin is an extraordinarily effective emotional painkiller. If an "occasional" user of heroin experiences an unforeseen occurrence of intense emotional turmoil, then he or she might very well self-medicate with heroin because he or she is already aware that it's a powerful emotional painkiller (in addition to the profoundly euphoric effects that it produces). Therefore, it's an extremely simplistic argument to imply that's it's all about self-control and will power. There are many variables involved including the mode of administration; it is blatantly obvious that intravenous heroin use is many orders of magnitude more difficult to control than other modes of administration, such as smoking or snorting.
 
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