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My Phenibut Affair (Really F'n Long)

Rtrain-Nubain was very widely available during the 90s and earlys 2000s..it was everywhere in the gyms and yes, people were getting high on it, i was one of them..granted, it wasnt an oxy or heroin type high but on the flipside, i never got tired after shooting nubain, i gave me energy and seemed to always lift mood..it felt great after a days work or a workout..just a very functional buzz, you never nodded or anything like that or did you look high..
 
-Guido- said:
And now you have naive kids with no concept of pharmacodynamics getting hooked on this stuff.
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Phenibut is essentially baclofen with a higher dose-response curve though surprisingly more addictive. Tolerance builds rapidly and can cause horrible dysphoria-laced withdrawal symptoms with as little as two consecutive days of use.

If you're in need of a drug like that baclofen would be superior though unless you have amytrophic lateral sclerosis I doubt you're in need of a drug like that. Perhaps in want of a drug like that. Tread carefully the withdrawal may only last a week but so does GHB withdrawal. Some fates skim 'worse than death' territory.

By the way this sounds like a trip report and should go there.
 
Thou said:
Phenibut is essentially baclofen with a higher dose-response curve though surprisingly more addictive. Tolerance builds rapidly and can cause horrible dysphoria-laced withdrawal symptoms with as little as two consecutive days of use.

If you're in need of a drug like that baclofen would be superior though
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Definitely a great description of my view on the chem as well. Although, I was once given a couple hundred free baclofen, and could achieve zero euphoria (although mixed with just one dose of alcohol, youre gone!) Whereas phenibut can provide some sort of euphoria, even if its not a classic sense.

Ive found phenibut decent as far as bringing me down from stimulant binges in an almost-as-smooth way like benzos do. Definitely some "head fog." I can't attest to WDs or tolerance, because I don't use it much. Anything sharing similarities to GHB, I wont bother abusing.

Just remember guys, this isnt even an RC, its straight up legal. But if its used irresponsibly, then you can bet your ass it will be illegal in no time. Lets all be safe, and use our resources (BL etc) to make sure we stay outta trouble ;)
 
Yeah, I'd fucking hate to see this crop up in "legal drug epidemic" media piece because some fool's downed 100 grams of the stuff in the hope it'll get him high, firstly because I'm dependent on it, and secondly, because IMO this is a beneficial, even therapeutic, drug if used responsibly. I've heard quite a lot of people using this to successfully manage social anxiety in lieu of benzos, for example.

IMHO phenibut can't cause physical dependence in two days; it takes more time than that IME. In fact, 2 days on, followed by 3 or even 4 days off, would be playing it pretty wisely re avoiding a physical dependence.
 
dopemegently said:
Yeah, I'd fucking hate to see this crop up in "legal drug epidemic" media piece because some fool's downed 100 grams of the stuff in the hope it'll get him high, firstly because I'm dependent on it, and secondly, because IMO this is a beneficial, even therapeutic, drug if used responsibly. I've heard quite a lot of people using this to successfully manage social anxiety in lieu of benzos, for example.

IMHO phenibut can't cause physical dependence in two days; it takes more time than that IME. In fact, 2 days on, followed by 3 or even 4 days off, would be playing it pretty wisely re avoiding a physical dependence.
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^ This ^
 
sound like me, man. I found phenibut year and years go during my "sober" stage. I always bought in pill form; I'd let run for 2 weeks and then keep away due to addiction. man, I was FUCKING SHOCKED at what Phenibut could do to you. It reminded me A LOT like a GHB kind of HIGH (for those who know GHB). dude, music, work, everything, as he said, was better, sounded better, went better. although, toward the end of the inight, I'd always find myself NODDING out in a way (much like GHB if taken to much). but this fucking Phenibut had me by the balls out of no where. I never had a problem w/ it but I was just SHOCKED that I could but this RIGHT ON THE INTERNET and take above regular dosing and feel as good as I was. I remember one time going out to eat w/ the fam. and being the voice of the table for hours. I usually am anyway.. but this time they knew something was up. kept asking if I drank before I came.. but NO.. I JUST FELT GREAT!
 
Being dependent on this shit is not fun at all. If I were you, I'd throw the phenibut away ASAP. I quit a 100g a day habit and never want to take that stuff again.
 
xtcgrrrl said:
I don't understand! I've taken phenibut a BUNCH of times and nothing happens. I have tried upping the dose, but when I get to 2 grams (the most I've ever taken at once) I fall asleep for like a week. I've tried 2 grams twice, conked out both times and pissed off my family, 500 mg, 1 gram, and 1.5 grams on five separate occasions spaced apart by at least 4 days. NOTHING. However I have been known to abuse gabapentin, and that feels AWESOME...my family is tolerable (and I live with my in-laws, hence my heavy drug use, lol) and my anxiety is GONE, and things are just...great. Eventually, one of these days, I'm going to stop abusing it and just use it AS PRESCRIBED for my anxiety...FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE.
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This is exactly what happens with me! I have tried phnibut now,like twice and feel nothing other than to be knocked out for sleep. But like you, I used to abuse gabapentin as well so perhaps it was that? I have no idea
 
if you guys THINK you can PICK UP this habit in 2 days, then you must have never taken phenibut. this is a habit that can run a week or two easy and kick. I've ran w/ this for years while "sober" and off all "real" drugs. I never felt ANY dependance at all. even when I ran out I was in no rush to order it back. it was FUN, much like GHB, but wasnt a dependent type feeling drug. I used this shit for years and years; way after/before my dope runs.

addiction CAN happen but WONT in a short time; def. not in 2 days as mentioned on previous page.

I'd always buy 2 bottles and run them over the course of 2 weeks roughly. tolerance builds QUICK which is why you NEED to stop.
 
Well, it works out you're getting 45 G's of phenibut for a similar price as buying the powder, so it seems like a fair deal. Some dodgy advice on the ad though; they suggest you take it in 2 week cycles-IME using high doses for that length of time was enough to cause physical dependence for me. Best to be conservative with phenibut re dosing.
 
brutus said:
Being dependent on this shit is not fun at all. If I were you, I'd throw the phenibut away ASAP. I quit a 100g a day habit and never want to take that stuff again.
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Did you add an extra 0? I can't even imagine 100g a day... most I have ever taken in one day is 11g and I was fighting not to go to sleep because I felt my breathing was so slow.

The absolute WORST thing about phenibut withdrawal for me is these electric pulses I get when my body is like on the brink of going to sleep. This is when I know withdrawal is setting in. I will be tired, try to go to sleep and pretty much start dreaming then WHAM my body starts almost pumping adrenaline it feels like. It's always right when I'm about to drift off into a nice dream and it pisses me off so much.

I started taking it every week or so, then did one day on, two days off. Continued that for awhile. Then whenever I started dosing on consecutive days and tried to stop that's when I noticed the difficulty sleeping and the electric pulses. So yeah for me dependence set in fairly quickly but I was loading my body up for a while I really don't think your first 2 days of use would cause any WD.

The way you describe it sounds more like MDMA, which is awesome. For me it was more comparable to a benzo, which is fucking amazing as an introvert myself. It can be really euphoric to just want to go out and socialize with people.

I'll have to taper off or use gabapentin to come off completely. No way I could function coming off cold turkey unless I could lock myself away for a week.
 
I couldn't stop it cold-no fucking way. I've been trying to cycle my use by using phenibut 3 days, followed by just enough etizolam to ease that anxiety for the following 3 days, but it's not working so great; the etizolam does shit for the depression. I'm thinking I might just buy a hell of a lot of phenibut and do a gradual taper, possibly reducing my dose by one gram a week.

Btw it's always given me a mild euphoria; I guess this could explain the depression I feel when I don't take it.
 
dopemegently, have you tried gabapentin to ease the WD? Tapering is the only way I feel like. I have much respect for people who quit 5g+ a day cold turkey and take on work and life in general. You can get 1kg really cheap to do a slow taper. If you are bad at tapering like me, you can try the gabapentin for 2-3 days and worse case jump back on a much smaller dose to continue the taper with.

I must have been eating 8-10g a day, because when I started weighing out my daily dose of 5g I didn't sleep for 2-3 days and felt really off. After those 3 days, a 5g dose at night was really kicking my ass so I'm lowering it slowly.
 
I'm afraid gabentin is only available through script in the UK.(hopefully I'm wrong there, though).If I told my GP or even my drug specialist doctor I have a phenibut problem, it's more than likely they'd never even have heard of the stuff. I know this, cause I even showed my phenibut to my drug worker and doctor, but because it said "sport supplement" on the packet, they concluded it's just some harmless dietary supplement; they didn't have a frigging clue. I even tried showing them the wikipidia article, but they didn't really seem bothered at all. That's the real downside to these "internet drugs"-if you've got a heroin addiction, an alcohol problem, they can treat you. If you get hooked on some of these unregulated drugs, you're pretty much on your own.

I wonder what's gonna happen to all the people who are becoming addicted to RC benzos when they're scheduled, which could happen, probably will happen in fact. I've known people with serious benzo habits on this forum thanks to drugs such as etizolam, diclazepam, pyrazolam. When these things are scheduled what are they gonna do?

Anyway, right now my choice is to stop cold and do a 6 day benzo taper like I posted earlier, or buy a large supply of phenibut, forget the benzos (I've got hundreds of the things anyway), and do it the way your doing; gradually cutting down. How is your cutting down going for you btw? I want to get off it quickly, but not too quickly. What do you think a good rate of reduction would be?
 
dopemegently said:
Well, it works out you're getting 45 G's of phenibut for a similar price as buying the powder, so it seems like a fair deal. Some dodgy advice on the ad though; they suggest you take it in 2 week cycles-IME using high doses for that length of time was enough to cause physical dependence for me. Best to be conservative with phenibut re dosing.
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you never ran w/ it for 2 weeks? id always run a 2 week cycle and then leave for a month or so. shit got me GOING for work and EVERYTHING else. legit, there were no other drinks/drugs needed, just Phenibut. come end of night you'd pass out easily, too. sometimes you'd even nod during the day if taking too much. I remember doing (I forget about) at 8AM and then refilling around 2-3PM. and that would be the day for 2 weeks.

what is typical dosage/number of pills to take? I forget at this point. I might buy and TRY one more time.
 
You went 2 weeks on for real. Shit..I was always afraid too because of the horror stories tbh, so I usually go 4 days on, then use etizolam for 3 days. Only thing is I'm taking over 10 G's a day right now, so doing a cycle like that would involve buying a shit load of phenibut. How much phenibut did you take in a day, btw Boston?

I agree though; on phenibut, there's no desire for a drink for me, and that was a problem for me in the past. Have to admit tho it mixes a little too well with etizolam and suboxone for me, so I'm trying not to do that little combo too often, because it feels great tbh.
 
dopemegently said:
You went 2 weeks on for real. Shit..I was always afraid too because of the horror stories tbh, so I usually go 4 days on, then use etizolam for 3 days. Only thing is I'm taking over 10 G's a day right now, so doing a cycle like that would involve buying a shit load of phenibut. How much phenibut did you take in a day, btw Boston?

I agree though; on phenibut, there's no desire for a drink for me, and that was a problem for me in the past. Have to admit tho it mixes a little too well with etizolam and suboxone for me, so I'm trying not to do that little combo too often, because it feels great tbh.
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took pills I posted; I'd take 6 pills AM (3000MG) and 6 pills PM (3000MG) so 6000MG daily. I'd always have that run for roughly 2 weeks, maybe even more. 90 pills in a bottle and I was using 12 a day. so 180 pills total divided by 12 = 19 days straight I'd run a cycle. maybe I'd have a few days inbetween but usually would run straight.

people always told me powder was better but yet I always took the pills.
 
I think the powder is exactly the same, it just costs a lot less. It's what I use; I mix it with water using a little 350mg scoop. Either this, or I fill my own capsules.

6 grams a day is definitely a significant amount for real, and I'm actually pretty re-assured you've managed to cycle it so effectively. I've heard withdrawals described as similar to benzo WD, but the thing about phenibut is not a great deal is known about it. I'm sure there's decades worth of research papers for it, but I'm betting they're all in Russian.
 
Anything that crosses the BBB so efficiently and can cause all these w/d symptoms, as well as many of the issues I have read about with prolonged use, is something I am questionable about. BostonBT, you've said you had a damn brain tumor, right? You think this stuff could have a role in that? Was it malignant? There has been some studies linking benzos and tumors, too, but also studies that seem to suggest against that possibility.

That is the kind of stuff that really freaks me out about a drug like Phenibut, especially with the lack of information we have to go by. I guess they use to give it to the cosmonauts in the USSR, I wonder how the are doing today. Not sure what kind of doses they were knocking back, tho.
 
dopemegently said:
I think the powder is exactly the same, it just costs a lot less. It's what I use; I mix it with water using a little 350mg scoop. Either this, or I fill my own capsules.

6 grams a day is definitely a significant amount for real, and I'm actually pretty re-assured you've managed to cycle it so effectively. I've heard withdrawals described as similar to benzo WD, but the thing about phenibut is not a great deal is known about it. I'm sure there's decades worth of research papers for it, but I'm betting they're all in Russian.
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again, we are talking years and years ago when I was using Phenibut (maybe 08/09). so I am not sure if I ran w/ it daily, but knowing how I am, I cant see myself not blowing threw a full pill cycle until all are gone. I loved the fucking things. I might even pick up a batch for a small run but maybe only buy 1 bottle since now you have me scared of WD's even tho it never was a factor before.

where did you read withdrawals come so quickly? I was under the impression I had 2 weeks to a months before ANYTHING bad. I always loved GHB and this is the perfect GHB replacement drug, so I was happy as a MOFO when doing it. plus, pills are easier than drinking so go w/ pill form.

anyone do any as of late? tell me how you felt? I may make a purchase soon. sure, I am in recovery, but phenibut is legal, right? hahaha. im kidding. I smoke weed/benzos, etc, anyway. plus, still on bupe, so recovery is a questionable word for me. but I am doing MUCH BETTER than before and that is what counts in my eyes.
 
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