madonna vs. deadmau5

sorry, where did I say deadmau5 was "retarded"? I think the only person who ever used the word "retarded" in the thread so far was you....

I said fuck deadmau5, because I don't like him. He is an arrogant prick who clearly had a drug problem in the past and belittles others, including his fans, who still use drugs.

What Madonna said pissed me off. She has no business drawing the attention of the media to the EDM scene, especially when she has no part in it. She also is setting a terrible influence to younger, newer EDM fans... not to mention that it IS ABOUT THE MUSIC, not the drugs. Her saying that only confirms so many people's beliefs that they can't have fun at a dance music show without their friend "molly" (gayest shit ever referring to MDMA as a person in secret).

I just think Deadmau5's whole attitude is wrong for the scene, and Madonna just has no business being anywhere near the scene. The PSA about ecstasy last year by A-trak, kaskade, etc was a perfect example of what should be going on. Not fucking advocating drug use!!!! Madonna could have inadvertently just caused a spike in police presence at these events simply for the fact that she could have brought the drug use/dance culture connection to the attention of somebody who didn't know about it earlier.

I know EDM is like huge to all of us 20-30 year olds right now, but think about older people who don't follow this stuff and didn't previously understand how rampant the drug use is in our scene. Think about a city official who might potentially receive tons of calls from concerned parents/older madonna fans, who now might be forced to take action in controlling drug use at concerts. What she did brings it all to the spotlight... something nobody wants, even me who doesn't even use drugs or smoke pot!

Hell, I guess I would love to see all of these 17-20 year olds get arrested and lose interest in the dance music scene anyways... teeny bopper fucks.
 
I've always hated deadmau5's personality. I'll agree that madonna's promotion of ecstasy is the last thing we need but deadmau5's comments were unnecessary. He's probably the biggest douchebag in EDM right now. His comments about madonna do not surprise me in the least.
 
chitown rollin said:
sorry, where did I say deadmau5 was "retarded"? I think the only person who ever used the word "retarded" in the thread so far was you....

I said fuck deadmau5, because I don't like him. He is an arrogant prick who clearly had a drug problem in the past and belittles others, including his fans, who still use drugs.

What Madonna said pissed me off. She has no business drawing the attention of the media to the EDM scene, especially when she has no part in it. She also is setting a terrible influence to younger, newer EDM fans... not to mention that it IS ABOUT THE MUSIC, not the drugs. Her saying that only confirms so many people's beliefs that they can't have fun at a dance music show without their friend "molly" (gayest shit ever referring to MDMA as a person in secret).

I just think Deadmau5's whole attitude is wrong for the scene, and Madonna just has no business being anywhere near the scene. The PSA about ecstasy last year by A-trak, kaskade, etc was a perfect example of what should be going on. Not fucking advocating drug use!!!! Madonna could have inadvertently just caused a spike in police presence at these events simply for the fact that she could have brought the drug use/dance culture connection to the attention of somebody who didn't know about it earlier.

I know EDM is like huge to all of us 20-30 year olds right now, but think about older people who don't follow this stuff and didn't previously understand how rampant the drug use is in our scene. Think about a city official who might potentially receive tons of calls from concerned parents/older madonna fans, who now might be forced to take action in controlling drug use at concerts. What she did brings it all to the spotlight... something nobody wants, even me who doesn't even use drugs or smoke pot!

Hell, I guess I would love to see all of these 17-20 year olds get arrested and lose interest in the dance music scene anyways... teeny bopper fucks.
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when it comes to deadmau5 i think that he is a catch 22. on some days he can be a arrogant asshole as he has said so himself. but on other days i think he contributes a little bit moar then some people reconize. I.e have a fan design the new mouse head, visting some schools, teaching people on his ustream on how to do things working with ableton etc. also during ultra he had some contest winners who got to work with him, steve duda, feed me, etc. and make some songs and have them put on beatport. I dont know too many artist who have done those type of things. his tumblr post after the whole madonna thing on responsibilty had some valid points and some i thought were kinda like huh. As a "older" (34 ) person i have seen the scene went from under ground parties were like mind people gathered to have a good time( started going to parties in 1995) to were the media indeed made it sound like a as one reporter said and i still remember this quote "drug induced techno parties " in the late 1990's to the peak right around 2000-01. (as far as "rave" is concerned) then the whole xtc hype on the news went way the fuck out of porportion. people still to this day think rave and the word drugs automaticly comes to mind cuz of those days. yes people did drugs back then and still do but i have seen just as much drugs use at metal shows as i have at edm events. you usually dont hear about that though.I think that alot of the artist today who have worked hard so that stigmata dissappears are kinda upset that madonna said what she did. i know that deadmau5 wasnt the only one who was upset with this. could mau5 have gone about it a different way yea. he said himself that he can say shit without thinking about it before he opened his mouth. but who hasnt done that in their life. as far as the whole thing of edm being mainstream, yes the new people do jump on the bandwagon and just go cuz its the in thing right now. same thing happened about 11 years ago too. all things go in circles music wise culture wise etc. I have always enjoyed what i listen to regardless of if its popular or not. The true fans of a type of music will always enjoy it regardless of trends. just something i have come to learn over the years.. some people i know HATE deadmau5.. that doesnt bother me.. to each his own im not going to tell people who to like or whatnot. As far as the mau5 having a drug problem he said he tried acid a few times and weed when he was younger but stopped because of his neurocardiogenic syncope, his tumblr post
"Responsibility"
"This is certainly what it should be about, and it’s what im about regarding the Madonna issue.
Whether i like it or not, and like every other walk of life, whether you’re becoming an adult, or climbing up the corporate ladder, or blazing a path in your chosen profession, im in a position now where i should be responsible. And yup… i should be a little more careful about what i advocate, and i certainly try to be. being an advocate of something or another certainly has it’s place… drawing promotion towards a good cause, enabling others to do what they desire to do, help others to create something, etc. and all that other good shit.
Im not perfect. i have my vices, and some of them are probably more harmful than a recreational drug or two… but i do know that i am at the very least morally obligated not to blatantly inflict or advocate anything that’s detrimental to society, others health, etc.
my last rant has yielded some interesting points and arguments from both camps no doubt, but i should at least be clear on where i stand with advocacy (which im almost certain isnt even a word).
I smoke cigarettes. yeah, it’s shitty i know, and its a personal problem that i struggle with… and i know how much it sucks, so my tour isnt exactly sponsored by a cowboy of sorts. I drink a little bit too, which im sure has killed more people than double the combined amount of overdoses on any recreational drug you can name…. so, i try to make an effort as not to blatantly condone it in situations where the youngins are around. and trust me, the mau5 horde has plenty of little ones… So, i dont see the dire need to be a constant dickfuck and stamp my vices all over my media outlets. Sometimes it happens, but, of course, my intent isnt to make any look cool or desireable.
Now, weve taken EDM so far in the past decade, so goddamned far. It really hurts me to see rampant ADVOCATION of extreme bullshit lifestyles to a genre that spans pretty much any age gap these days. Of course, ill always have my opinions about this or that… and yeah, its my personal choice not to do drugs, but im not on a fucking crusade to stamp out other peoples personal choices by no means. fuck being a crusader. Im not pro, or anti drug… but… ill easily let you know that im pro-responsibility.
Its just that simple… you can have an excellent standard of life providing you had a sense of responsibility to yourself, and those around you, REGARDLESS of whatever choices you make in your life… either good or bad (which is the opinion part).
I just feel like ive been kicked in the balls for a dollar. I’ve always been into electronic music, as far back as i can remember… and around the beginning, i really do remember the times the events i loved were pretty much outlawed by my city simply due to its speculated over-excessive drug use, and the media coverage that everyone loves to lap up around it. Yeah, that bummed me out… kinda made me feel like… how could something so damn interesting, artful, fun and just plain cool, be frowned upon by most….
but look at us now, allthough not completely, and never like to be completely, the dark veil has been lifted slightly and the music and good times and technology is starting to shine through more and more than “the latest breaking news about such and such a drug found only at these underground TECHNO RAVES - Tonight on fox!”
still, we have, and will always have personal choice. Thats how our lives are shaped… through the good or bad choices we make. we learn every day from them… but theyre ours to make, and its our responsibility to make the right ones for each of ourselves.Not to be pandered down to us in metaphorical pill form from BIG voices as a marketing scheme to “fit in” with todays young and “hip” crowd to sell a fuckin CD.
So, if you can be pandered with MDMA refrences, then at least pander your own ass with a good sense of responsibility which will enable you to make the personal choices that are right for YOU… then i wont have to feel like a fucking moron on a stage because you paid money to listen to some warm humming sounds high as fuck. Besides, one day ill get older, and i dont want a bunch of fucking irresponsible fuckheads on my lawn. RESPONSIBLE fuckbags, much preferred… but will still be asked to gtfo off my lawn for being a fuckbag all the same."
 
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Sorry but I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t exist without MDMA. People seem to forget that rave wouldn’t exist without MDMA. There I said it.

And ya know what? There is nothing wrong with that.


Music and drugs go hand in hand, always been and always will.

This chemical that brought thousands of people together should be viewed with respect, not demonized. Thanks to MDMA you had rival soccer clubs getting along at raves in England, you had black gangs and guido crews that would fucking murder eachother coming together in NYC back in the early 90’s. 20 years later i still see stuff like that and it amazes me.

If the media wants to demonize rave then they can go for it, I will happily welcome a return to the underground. Abandoned warehouse and train tunnels is where it belongs.

Instead of wasting time trying to separate EDM from MDMA(which will never happen) how about they do something productive like use their platform to promote harm reduction and responsible drug use.

It’s all good though, I understand deadmau5 relies on teenagers to fill his audience and he needs their parents approval.
 
LuGoJ said:
Sorry but I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t exist without MDMA. People seem to forget that rave wouldn’t exist without MDMA. There I said it.

And ya know what? There is nothing wrong with that.


Music and drugs go hand in hand, always been and always will.

This chemical that brought thousands of people together should be viewed with respect, not demonized. Thanks to MDMA you had rival soccer clubs getting along at raves in England, you had black gangs and guido crews that would fucking murder eachother coming together in NYC back in the early 90’s.

If the media wants to demonize rave then they can go for it, I will happily welcome a return to the underground. Abandoned warehouse and train tunnels is where it belongs.
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no offense but that last sentence sounds so hipster...just saying.. doesnt mean that your a bad person or anything, i just dont understand the hipster opinions that some people have. when you try to limit a art such as edm to just the underground you are in fact limiting to where it truely can go. purpose of music is for it to bring joy to people lives.. if it gets big it still dosent change the fact that it is indeed bringing joy to peoples lives. i agree that mdma needs to be treated with respect and that it has a potential to do alot moar good then booze will ever do. a person is smart but people are dumb. unless that changes mdma will always be demonized esp in the booze culture we live in. "Instead of wasting time trying to separate EDM from MDMA(which will never happen) how about they do something productive like use their platform to promote harm reduction and responsible drug use" this is true that it will never truely go away. sad but true. i think that was what mau5 was trying to say in his tumblr post. have fun at whatever you decide to do but be responsible at what you do. do i think that 15 years olds should be rolling out of their minds while listening to who ever .. no... but that is my opinion. i think that you should a least wait til you are a little older and can be moar responsible at the choices one choses and for you to understand the consequences of your choice. i think that is the second point of that post.
 
snowboarder7791 said:
no offense but that last sentence sounds so hipster...just saying.. doesnt mean that your a bad person or anything, i just dont understand the hipster opinions that some people have. .
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What is a hipster opinion? Sorry, I don’t get what you are saying

snowboarder7791 said:
when you try to limit a art such as edm to just the underground you are in fact limiting to where it truely can go. purpose of music is for it to bring joy to people lives.. if it gets big it still dosent change the fact that it is indeed bringing joy to peoples lives.
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I’m not saying people should limit it to that, I am saying I will welcome it if it happens. The real fans will stick around, the people that are just going because it’s cool and hip won’t which is ok with me.

snowboarder7791 said:
i agree that mdma needs to be treated with respect and that it has a potential to do alot moar good then booze will ever do. a person is smart but people are dumb. unless that changes mdma will always be demonized esp in the booze culture we live in. "Instead of wasting time trying to separate EDM from MDMA(which will never happen) how about they do something productive like use their platform to promote harm reduction and responsible drug use" this is true that it will never truely go away. sad but true. .
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Why is it sad? Should dead fans be sad that psychedelics played such a huge role in their scene?

snowboarder7791 said:
i think that was what mau5 was trying to say in his tumblr post. have fun at whatever you decide to do but be responsible at what you do. do i think that 15 years olds should be rolling out of their minds while listening to who ever .. no... but that is my opinion. i think that you should a least wait til you are a little older and can be moar responsible at the choices one choses and for you to understand the consequences of your choice. i think that is the second point of that post.
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If that’s what he is trying to get across then he should just say that but I really think he wants to make the parents happy so they keep buying his CD’s and tickets for their kids though.
 
LuGoJ said:
What is a hipster opinion? Sorry, I don’t get what you are saying

that a certain thing should remain underground and only enjoyed by a certain group of people

I’m not saying people should limit it to that, I am saying I will welcome it if it happens. The real fans will stick around, the people that are just going because it’s cool and hip won’t which is ok with me.
ok thats kewl now that you say this i understand were u are coming from.

Why is it sad? Should dead fans be sad that psychedelics played such a huge role in their scene?

If that’s what he is trying to get across then he should just say that but I really think he wants to make the parents happy so they keep buying his CD’s and tickets for their kids though.
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if you know mau5 he typically dosnt give a fuck what people think of him lol. so i dont think he cares about making parents happy.he does what he does he makes his music the way he wants etc
by sad i mean sterotypes ie rave = mdma metal = angry people etc. not everyone who goes to raves is rolling going to metal show = angry person etc. i just find it sad that people cant get beyond those concepts thats all. i know it wont go way...
LuGoJ said:
What is a hipster opinion? Sorry, I don’t get what you are saying

that a certain thing should remain underground and only enjoyed by a certain group of people etc.

quote "I’m not saying people should limit it to that, I am saying I will welcome it if it happens. The real fans will stick around, the people that are just going because it’s cool and hip won’t which is ok with me."
ok thats kewl now that you say this i understand where u are coming from.
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How very hipster of you LuGoJ....

People like you are the problem in my opinion. Trying to hold things down... trying to avoid letting something grow because you want it only for you and your friends. Quit reminiscing about the "glory days" (or whatever) of raves. The scene has become beautiful for everyone involved. I've seen people try this out who previously thought it was stupid... Most have now immersed themselves in it.

I will never understand people who sit around (especially on a message board for christ's sake) and talk about how good things USED to be. Are some people so sad that they have nothing positive to say about the PRESENT!

snowboarder I enjoyed what you had to say. I know you love Deadmau5. I have mad respect for his music, I think he could use an attitude adjustment, though. PEACE
 
chitown rollin said:
How very hipster of you LuGoJ....

People like you are the problem in my opinion. Trying to hold things down... trying to avoid letting something grow because you want it only for you and your friends. Quit reminiscing about the "glory days" (or whatever) of raves. The scene has become beautiful for everyone involved. I've seen people try this out who previously thought it was stupid... Most have now immersed themselves in it.

I will never understand people who sit around (especially on a message board for christ's sake) and talk about how good things USED to be. Are some people so sad that they have nothing positive to say about the PRESENT!

snowboarder I enjoyed what you had to say. I know you love Deadmau5. I have mad respect for his music, I think he could use an attitude adjustment, though. PEACE
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lol but if he lost the attitude he wouldnt be deadmau5 i take his attitude with a grain of salt. =D
 
Lol. Honestly I can't even put my feelings about the EDM scene into words. Apart of me loves it and loves how many people enjoy it... but then I see a show at the congress and it just makes me sick that all of these 17 year old kids are all spun. I don't know who is there for the music or not. A couple of years ago it was even different.
 
chitown rollin said:
Lol. Honestly I can't even put my feelings about the EDM scene into words. Apart of me loves it and loves how many people enjoy it... but then I see a show at the congress and it just makes me sick that all of these 17 year old kids are all spun. I don't know who is there for the music or not. A couple of years ago it was even different.
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im kind with you on this. esp the expansion of the edm scene. the same thing happend 10,11 years ago. it made me sick too. but they are going to do what they do. nothing i can do about it.Its the people that truely love the edm scene that have been keeping it going all this time. mad respect to them. these are the people that i tend to hang out with now.
 
chitown rollin said:
How very hipster of you LuGoJ....

People like you are the problem in my opinion. Trying to hold things down... trying to avoid letting something grow because you want it only for you and your friends. Quit reminiscing about the "glory days" (or whatever) of raves. The scene has become beautiful for everyone involved. I've seen people try this out who previously thought it was stupid... Most have now immersed themselves in it.
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How exactly do I try to hold things down and how am I trying to avoid letting the scene grow? Please explain.

I still bring new people to raves, I still flyer in the bitter cold, I still DJ, I still help people setup and breakdown before and after, I still bust my ass trying to find accommodations and rides for DJ's when friends have them spin. So what exactly do you do for the scene?


chitown rollin said:
will never understand people who sit around (especially on a message board for christ's sake) and talk about how good things USED to be. Are some people so sad that they have nothing positive to say about the PRESENT!
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Once again, when did I say anything negative about the scene or that I didn’t enjoy it? Quote or STFU . Did you happen to miss when I said “20 years later i still see stuff like that and it amazes me.”? It sounds to me like I was comparing the beauty I saw then to the beauty I see now and how it still amazes me...

Sorry for getting heated but I put slot of blood sweat and tears into this scene to this day. Just because I am critical of things doesn't mean I dislike the scene


P.S... this post down here sounds like someone who is one or two years away from talking about how things used to be. Just sayin =P

chitown rollin said:
I don't know who is there for the music or not. A couple of years ago it was even different.
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Anybody find it funny that Deadmau5 has forgotten that when he produces tracks with Steve Duda they use the alias 'BSOD' which stands for Better Sounding On Drugs


He is a fucking hypocrite
 
d1989 said:
Anybody find it funny that Deadmau5 has forgotten that when he produces tracks with Steve Duda they use the alias 'BSOD' which stands for Better Sounding On Drugs


He is a fucking hypocrite
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HAHAHAHAHA. That’s classic.
 
chitown rollin said:
Lol. Honestly I can't even put my feelings about the EDM scene into words. Apart of me loves it and loves how many people enjoy it... but then I see a show at the congress and it just makes me sick that all of these 17 year old kids are all spun. I don't know who is there for the music or not. A couple of years ago it was even different.
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I know a number of people who go to shows solely for the party. Who tell me its only good drunk/rolling/whatever. Those people are the reasons I try to avoid the really big shows at the congress.
 
shishigami said:
I know a number of people who go to shows solely for the party. Who tell me its only good drunk/rolling/whatever. Those people are the reasons I try to avoid the really big shows at the congress.
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Unfortunately that’s just something you need to get used to and as the scene gets even more main stream you will see more and more of this. It’s a double edge sword, attracting new people is great but it needs to be done carefully. Once stuff hits MTV that’s when the mass of retardo’s and the jersey shore types start showing up.

I definitely agree with your last statement though, it seems like the smaller the event the higher concentration of actual music fans that know which DJ is playing :)
 
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