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Life After E, It gets worse not better

sorry i'm a lil slow in getting to this b/c of all the E i took.. haha j/k but this belongs in something like oh BL discussion.......
 
*chaoscat* made some good points...
but Tlw20grl, my point was that education, and honest, open education about substances is the key. you knew nothing about e and so managed to abuse it. i'm not gonna give you a hard time, but i can see why some people on the board will do (just being defensive). i don't think you were stupid, you just didn't know how bad it was to take so much and for so long. most people on this board do, and use responsibly.
people like Oprah are really not helping when they present a one-sided, ill-informed argument.
i think you have a important message about over-use or abuse of e, and have the opportunity to help others in a similar situation or help educate new users. but you need to try to get a balanced perspective, and appreciate that the drug as is is not a bad thing, and not all drug users are the same.
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You know what, Tlw20grl, I appreciate your honesty and willingness to open up about your life. That takes courage.
 
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I agree. Also keep in mind that you can't run around and try to fix the world.
 
Gosh.. a girl open her mouth to tell people a story, and try to help or teach people from her experiences/mistakes and she gets cussed!
I used to think this board was about helping and adivising people with situations and mistakes. Not ' havin a go ' and being un-rational about things!
Im not supporting the fact that doing pills all the time is good, but she and alot of u made a very good point about harm reduction.
May-b harm reduction wasn't such a huge issue 3 years ago, and may-b the info wasn't so available for her!
I started doing pills at 15, i live very close to one of the biggest pill munchin cities in england and up until recently, i had never even heard of this 'once a month rule' and pre-loading.
My point is people share experiences to try and teach others from theyre mistakes. They KNOW they were wrong, so instead of knockin people for theyre past take the story into consideration and use it as advice
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This kind of thing happens alot around here... Someone posts something entirely sensible with an entirely sensible question and suddenly 20 replies appear, none of them attempting to talk about the subject at hand or answer the question that was asked, all just slagging off the person that posted because they said something others don't agree with ...
That girl posted a message saying that it was bad to take as much E as she did. Okay, that statement was a little bit "Well, duh", but she's already done the damage and was only warning others....why does that deserve 20 messages telling her how stupid she's been???. She already knows !!!!
Oh and I say this as one of them idiots that does E every weekend, with no plans to stop and no plans to moderate.
 
Thank god all you people are talking sense. I was about to give up on old BL - the amount of hostility I see emerging from people towards each other when they don't agree or feel judgmental about their lives- well, I don't get how that comes out of a community linked by a relationship to a substance that supposedly promotes empathy. I'm like what's with the insults?? SO thankyou, Crackerwheat, Missbishi, and others on this thread for balancing things out.
 
Thanks to those who did balance things out. Its true I used E for the first time and I didn't use it again for 8 months because it was so scary to me and I did not know what to expect from it. Not alot of information was available for me back then and I was taunted by peer pressure. Its really hard to come of E for me. All the message I was trying to get across was how it Affected me and my opinion about it. I was not judging anyone in that matter..I just wanted to help because there are some people who need it. Then there are some who don't need it. As far as me having a good career at age 20, when I turned 18 I got this job as a BusinessLink Specialist dealing with commercial fleet vehicles to large companies, it was salaried position and I only got this job because I went to college Prep courses and I had internship. I was the 3rd in my class and only few went to college as seniors. When I started using E, I failed to do my work....Yes thats MY FAULT...no one elses. I just wanted to share my story..not to offend anyone.
Thanks....
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I am of the opinion that this chick was already an idiot. Please, people, E is NOT a drug that makes you stupid. You make you stupid. Gee, do you think that it might very well be that other influences contributed to the lowering of your grades and the destruction of your 'career'? I dropped out of school before I started doing E. Oh no, who can I blame?! I take visual/verbal memory tests daily. I do this because I am involved in a self-experiment. It is my goal to confirm/deny the detrimental effects of MDMA on memory, specifically the areas I just mentioned. Thus far I have done nothing but improve, despite doing as many pills as this moron regularly. Please note that this is to be considered anecdotal at best. There is nothing even resembling scientific standards in my 'experiment'. It is merely for my own amusement. Also realize that I exercise my mind.. preventing mental atrophy is just as important as not overdoing drug use.
If you are living in a haze, do something to make your life worthwhile. Join a gym, get a decent job. Anything.
 
Actually, I think you are pretty fucking stupid. #1, going into a drug without knowledge of it is irresponsible. Ive used once a month for about 3 years- no problems. In your posts you consistently talk about how you would use every weekend blah blah blah. Of course you will do brain damage! Read any other post on this board and you will see that every bl'er will NOT condone use more than once a month.
 
Excelent thread, and excelent responses, every one of them. Everyone had good points, although I think we scared that poor girl off. I can understand where both parties are coming from.
 
I think alot of the people here that are posting are NOT seeing my point.....I ALREADY KNOW I AM STUPID FOR WHAT I DID...any one can call me what they want..BUT the fact is any one that is coming off of drugs ANY drugs suffers from PAWS (Post Accute Withdraw Syndrome) E it self may not have done severe damage to me I have only been sober for a month now and I'm saying ITS HARD to do things for MYSELF.....EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT IN HERE..I don't like when people can come on here and tell me I AM STUPID when I have read posts on here how people have bloody stoole, ate 200-300 pills this year and how people mix E with other shit or even the preloading before E....ME STUPID...Yes clearly I am when I have only done Pills and I don't mix it with other shit and I don't have bloody stoole and ect,ect,ect....READ some of these posts and clearly you all will see that I am NOT THE ONLY ONE ON HERE WHO TAKES ALOT OF E....IF E was sooooo simple as to take only a few a year THEN WHY IS THIS DRUG THE MOST WELL KNOWN DRUG SINCE CRACK COCAINE.....and the percentages of kids taken it has quadrupled since 1999....hmmmm I am NOT the only one.....SO STOP PICKING ON ME FOR AN OPINION ABOUT MYSELF AND ACTIONS...I don't mind feedback about this and I expect it BUT this thread keeps going in HUGE CIRCLES.....do you all see......anyway I am sorry i posted this I thought that Mabey there were alot more of you out there who could see my point but there is only a few.....Another thing is that When I went highschool I did E....and MY GRADES STAYED GREAT......Did you all happen to read my Subject LIFE AFTER E...... yes AFTER .....I am saying its worse than before because my...yes MY BODY is recovering from all the shit I put it through....MY BODY IS....not yours.....I hate having to be so bitchy but it seems like some of you don't read completely....so I am making it as clear as I can......
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E didn't damage your life.
You damaged your life by abusing a substance.
Don't blame the ground, blame yourself for being stupid enough to jump out of a plane without a paracute.
End of story.
Harry
 
I can take some of the blame here. Tlw20grl, when I read your first post, I suspected that you had taken enormous amounts of the drug. That's why I asked you to clarify. However, the responses of many of the other posters, like Photon Master, are ridiculous. They are way out of line. You told your story and your point of view, and you urged people to be careful. What could be wrong with that?
I think what's driving a lot of these overreactions is that, at least here in the U.S., cases like Tlw20grl are being held up as evidence that MDMA is an extremely dangerous drug, like heroin or crack. They are used to support the claim that "even small amounts of ecstasy are dangerous." But cases like Tlw20grl's are extremely rare, and she had to take an enormous amount of the drug to get as bad as she did. That's the side that isn't being told, and that is why people reacted so badly to Tlw20grl's warnings when they found out how much she did.
I think a more important thing we can learn from this kind of case is not that MDMA is dangerous, but that addiction (psychological or whatever) CAN happen - and under the right emotional/physical/financial circumstances, it could happen to anyone. So for those of you who are being careful and use the drug safely, good job. But show some compassion to anyone who might not have been so careful. Under the wrong circumstances, that could have been you.
 
THANK YOU....THANK YOU
see your right VORTICITY.....
I wish everyone could see it that way.....
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I think all those reactions just had to do with the tone of her post...how it seemed that she generalized every E user is an abuser like her. That's the vibe I got from first reading the post anyways, and I think alot of people got that vibe as well, hence the responses. If it was worded better I'm sure everyone would have understood to a fuller extent.
But its hard to deny that this post DID seem like it was generalizing everyone that did E as an "abuser," and that made me pissed too.
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