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Asclepius: 5-htp won't do anything if you already get enough in you're diet.

That's all you have to say? Sure if you eat enough turkey or bananas you might not need that substance, DUH!! I don't see how your post helps any type of discussion especially when that one substance was only one of many that has been talked about.

My response to your comment should just be, hey f33lgood... 3's are not E's...lol
 
Are you old enough to be on this sight? I just see a 13 year old girl when I read your posts:sus:
 
Are you old enough to be on this sight? I just see a 13 year old girl when I read your posts:sus:

Aww, too angry to spell site correctly? By the way, why are you seeing 13 year old girls??? Pretty weird man, maybe you should go to a SITE for that....
 
*Yawn*

E wass atcually seriouse und wazn't tring too rip onn yoo.

I dont get angry anymore. cool as cucumber I already told you.. but really this is kinda like getting ripped on by a child.

Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.. I know you are but what am I.. I know you are but what am I?
 
*Yawn*

E wass atcually seriouse und wazn't tring too rip onn yoo.

I dont get angry anymore. cool as cucumber I already told you.. but really this is kinda like getting ripped on by a child.

Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.. I know you are but what am I.. I know you are but what am I?

Talk about childish, and not angry anymore yet you made the angry icon:sus:. Hypocrite on top of childish, when will you learn to just stop? You dig yourself in to bigger holes of stupidity every time you reply to something on here
 
Talk about childish, and not angry anymore yet you made the angry icon:sus:. Hypocrite on top of childish, when will you learn to just stop? You dig yourself in to bigger holes of stupidity every time you reply to something on here

Thats the suspicious icon
 
You do realize you're just making yourself look stupid by forcing yourself in on discussions and completely disregarding any valid information that people post, who might have different opinions than your own. Feelgoods response was unintelligible and plain common sense. You all told me to name some things that could (keyword: could) help with depression and anxiety and I did so. Just because you, the all knowing moderator 8) (lol) assumed that ssri's and other prescribed pharmaceuticals were the only ways to go about these ailments doesn't mean you should be rude and act like a child towards somebody trying to have an intelligent conversation. I really wish you wouldn't be on these forums because then there would be room for a real conversation. Off to Drug-forums or opiophile, those moderators actually have some decency and intellect
 
For one that doesn't like putting words in someones mouth you do it quite avidly in the last response.

I think nothing of the sort. I was medicated for anxiety and depression for almost twenty years and instead of making the situation better they made it worse. I ended up curing that an so much more by altering my thought in such a significant way that includes going from caring so much what others opinions to reading what you have wrote without even a hint of a jump in my heart rate and no emotional response except boredom.

Im pretty sure I didn't ask you for herbal (still chemical remedies) for something I have already solved.

Enjoy your night and your real intellectual conversations.
 
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I have so much to type here on this subject. Wow ... Dr. Dimowo was my doctor for 4 years and I have to say this he is the only doctor who helped me wiyh my pain..it is not ALL his actions 95% is the addicts or uneducated people who experience cronic pain.... good luck Dr. D..... BUT now I found me a better doctor and he actually was th doctor who the DEA asked for when they raided Dr. D's office's..... and now only mild pain ........
 
I have so much to type here on this subject. Wow ... Dr. Dimowo was my doctor for 4 years and I have to say this he is the only doctor who helped me wiyh my pain..it is not ALL his actions 95% is the addicts or uneducated people who experience cronic pain.... good luck Dr. D..... BUT now I found me a better doctor and he actually was th doctor who the DEA asked for when they raided Dr. D's office's..... and now only mild pain ........

That doesn't really look like a lot of typing. I guess we all have our own definitions of "so much to type".
 
I have so much to type here on this subject. Wow ... Dr. Dimowo was my doctor for 4 years and I have to say this he is the only doctor who helped me wiyh my pain..it is not ALL his actions 95% is the addicts or uneducated people who experience cronic pain.... good luck Dr. D..... BUT now I found me a better doctor and he actually was th doctor who the DEA asked for when they raided Dr. D's office's..... and now only mild pain ........
Did the DEA want your current doctor arrested?
 


That is pretty insensitive to people who have actually had real opiate withdrawals. Speaking from experience and having been on clonazepam for 6 years and xanax for 4 years. In my opinion (which is what you should have said instead of stating it like its fact) my opana withdrawal of 3 years was an infinite amount worse than either of those. Hell, fentanyl or my heroin withdrawal of 6 months was atleast 10 times worse than a benzo withdrawal.

Cannot stand people declaring their opinions and personal experience as if they are absolute truths for everyone.

P.s. And no my benzo doses were not "too low" amounts compared to the opiate doses

Did you even read my post ? I got on methadone and now suboxone. Of course I know what opiate withdrawal is. It is still a complete joke compared to benzo withdrawal, benzo withdrawal is sneaky like that, you can take a benzo dose every day for a couple months and walk away from them without any wd. But when it's been years that you have been taking them, the symptoms aren't only worse, they can kill you, unlike opiates. After day 5 or 6 of opiate wde I am fine physically, I just couldn't stay at home for 2 weeks when I decided to stop IV'in dilaudid (all the faults of the system and denying doctors too) from the black market where it started to ruin me financially, circumstances made it so that I needed to be put on methadone ASAP. In retrospect, I should have just handled it like the previous many times where I just decided to quit opis by myself and enduring the first 4 days of physical hell. It just gets harder and harder on the psyche to do it again and again. I was also underdosed in benzos at the time, which rendered me a total mess wanting to die.

Now, I go 24 hours without 20mg of valium and i'll be unable to leave my room and when I do get sleep will get terrifying nightmares that disturb me into awaken life all day, and it just gets worse from then on with no end in sight.

Just stop talking out of your ass, people said you were trolling, it seems like you were, if you had read my post I wouldn't have had to write this whole thing.

And How Dare You question wheter the TMJ disorder and trigeminal neuralgia I experience daily on the left side of my head do not warrant it. DID YOU READ THE FUCKING POST ?

A specialist dentist, a Maxillofacial Dentist has diagnosed me with the former through X-Ray and general investigation and a neurologist confirmed the latter through MRI. Fuck you, it's all in the records....of that Maxillofacial Dentist who retired 5 months later after I met him twice. Something I already said again. I'm responding only because I want the other people I know (from lurking) around here who I know are good, decent people to see what I have to say, not to feed the troll. Eat a bowl of fuck, you self-aggrandizing prick, I doubt you had such huge doses of 2 of the most easily known benzos out there, I'm surprised you didn't mention morphine as your opiate like the general idiots who think all strong paid meds are "morphine".

Your hippie homeopathic crap isn't even worth trying. St John's Worth acts like an SNRI. You think you know more than the general population of this board who have been for almost a decade or more, it is laughable.

Only antidepressant that I tried that worked was Manerix, a reversible MAOI, it's only available in Canada and Australia. Worked great, made me take less clonazepam (the benzo I was using at the time) until it made me have blood pressure up the roof and have chest pain everyday. I tried a shitload of things son, you don't have anything to teach me. Not with that attitude anyway.

Also massive lulz at your feeble attempt at trying to find if I have an insecurity about my physical appearance. It is stellar, thank you. I've been at the ER dressed with my "professional" looking clothing and I got better service then. It's just the truth. If you displease the triage nurse in any way, just by existing in a form that displease her/him (ugh, the worst are male nurses), you're already going to not be taken as important. So I always dress like if I was a wall street yuppie when I show up at doctors and the ER now, and I get awesome treatment, it's how I managed to slip through the cracks and get on methadone the day after I decided I couldn't IV dillies anymore, when usually there's a month long waiting list, the ER doc and nurse all were much more attentive and empathic because of how I looked. That's how it is in a single payer system (preferable to all systems but there's those problems still), if you look like you actually pay income tax, you will be treated better than people who seem too "poor" to pay any.

>drug-forums

Ah I see, Lol. Even 420chan is full of wisdom (in the serious boards) compared to that place. Holy fuck, what's next? askapatient ?
 
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Did you even read my post ? I got on methadone and now suboxone. Of course I know what opiate withdrawal is. It is still a complete joke compared to benzo withdrawal, benzo withdrawal is sneaky like that, you can take a benzo dose every day for a couple months and walk away from them without any wd. But when it's been years that you have been taking them, the symptoms aren't only worse, they can kill you, unlike opiates.

Dude I stopped reading what I assume was a childish rant when I got to there, the only way to die from benzo w/ds is through a seizure because it messes with different components than an opiate withdrawal (which by the way, there are nonaddictive substances to stop this from happening). Does not necessarily mean the withdrawals suck worse. I actually recently was discussing this with a friend who had been on benzos for almost decade and quit and didn't really have that bad of withdrawals, he later took oxymorphone for just a few months and compared it to the end of the world (all opinions and body chemistry buddy, so calm down). I have done both and imo and in my experience (heavy experience mind you) Heavy oxymorphone use and withdrawal was 10x worse than benzo withdrawal. Sorry you had such a hard time with your benzo withdrawal and sure you might feel like it was worse than the opiate withdrawals you have gone through. But for me oxymorphone withdrawal IS THE WORST. Guess body chemistrys are just different and we shouldn't be stating which is worse like it is a fact. It's all opinions bro, and to say it is a fact would just be childish. Like I kid closing his ears and screaming LA LA LA LA

btw, looks like someone needs a better life than getting all butt hurt on drug forums on which he posts and pays waaaaay to much attention on. Took me 5 months to see this post because I have much better things to do than argue with a stubborn mule who thinks he knows all about drugs (which is a very sad "accomplishment" if it were even true) Get out in the world and meet some more people and you might learn how to deal with other peoples opinions a little better than a bullied and teased 5th grader. See yah in another half a year!
 
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i rather have 10 people getting opiates they don't need than 1 person suffering because they can't get the opiates they really do need to treat their pain

i'm not an opiate user, so i say this with no personal agenda

i think you would have to be sociopathic to think otherwise. pharmaceutical opiates are extremely safe drugs, and there are many good treatments currently available for opiate dependence. i see no issue in prescribing these drugs liberally. the issue here is societal, not medical.

+1 Doctors should hand out benzos and opiates along with education and let people make their own choices.
 
The more they ''Crack down'' on the supply of these pills, the more people like me are just gonna smoke some black tar instead. Heroin use is rising everywhere as a result of pills being harder to obtain and more expensive
 
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