ofukibenhearB4
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i think so
i think its more along the lines of norcos/percs (not euphoria wise)
i think its more along the lines of norcos/percs (not euphoria wise)
In term of analgesic effect, do you think kratom is better than Codein in equivalant dose ???
^ your numbers are from studies that are largely irrelevant and totally wrong to the true potency as seen in other mice studies where assay is actually for analgesia and even moreso via monomer isolates in 'real world' use
As for the question about codeine...Well codeine has a metabolic ceiling so after 600 mgs you are just wasting it. With 7-hydroxy though there is no known celing. Yes, it is 17 x as potent as morphine, and yes, that refers to the analgesia and not the psychoactivity but as MrBlond noticed this is usually a fair indicator for psyhoactivity or rather its potential.
There have been studies at Chiba on psyhoactivity, and it has registered far results but as I said, there are so many things limiting that potential.
On Mitraginine itself...It is an Indole and worthless as far as opiate like psyhoactivity to most. I have had Mitragynine, Rx pure, in Thailand, and found it absolutely worthless but hey, that is me. Never had 7-hydroxy isolated but am considering extracting soem myself and doing some work with it (meaning experiments).
Ive had the 7HM i thought it was badass at the time. definatly clean and strong
On Mitraginine itself...It is an Indole and worthless as far as opiate like psyhoactivity to most. I have had Mitragynine, Rx pure, in Thailand, and found it absolutely worthless but hey, that is me. Never had 7-hydroxy isolated but am considering extracting soem myself and doing some work with it (meaning experiments).