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Jase
As you know I'm in the UK too, and I went to see my doc about this yesterday. I did what Deep said and took along some info about the symptoms in case he didn't know much about it, which in fact he didn't. This being the case he didn't feel he was able to make a judgement, which was fair enough I guess, and was actually what I'd expected of him even before I went. As a result he's referred me to get a psychiatric opinion, which is fine by me. Obviously this may take some time (good old NHS!) and even if I get diagnosed ADD, it may be some time before Adderall is available on these shores. But I figured I had to do something about this, so I did the obvious and quickest thing - I had to do something quickly and set some kind of process in motion, becasue I know the longer I leave something the less likely I am to ever do anything about it. Which I think is one of the prime symptoms, isn't it?!
So anyhow, I'd go see your doc - I don't really see what you've got to lose. Just be prepared you might not get what you want, at least not at first.
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Mr S
 
Superbad.. I'm seeing the doctor on friday. I don't have an actual assigned doctor so I don't know what to expect of him/her/it.
I'm sure it will be a lot of hassle and its this whats worrying me a bit. I've been at the end of my tether for quite a while, ever since I started having stress related anxiety attacks in January (when there was very little real stress), not quite sure what was up with me until I read this post. I'm not sure I have the patience to go through all the NHS hoops, physciatric evaluation etc. So I hope I'm a bit luckier. Somehow I always am though.
I'm going to spend some time doing some more research, dig out some old school books (still got some from Junior school, which show very early symptons) school reports, court summons, bill reminders and anything else relevant which I hope can speed the process up a bit. Unfortunately I know that all my "internal planning" won't mean much when it comes down to actually sitting down and discussing it with a doctor.
But for what its worth Ritalin & Dexedrine are both available in the UK. I don't know the effectiveness of these two and dexedrine sounds like it has more side effects & more potential for abuse, so I'm going to avoid that if possible...
Jase.
 
god guys, (jase,maestro...) i am definitely there with you. i had been realizing my own add symptoms for a while now, but this thread has me thinking about it more than ever. i know i really need to do something about it soon, but in typical fashion, i don't even know how to start.
i'm on a college campus and don't have a real doctor in the area. we have a health center with pa's, but they're basically worthless. a friend suggested i go to the learning services dept, which i guess is worth a try...
now i just really have to do it. i know it won't be easy, and that's not helping either. i just keep thinking that if i can get on the right medication that things will improve dramatically. now i just have to remember this and try to follow through. good luck to all of you out there that are dealing with this at the moment. keep us posted.
*love and hugs*
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~our imagination flies; we are its shadow on the earth~
*vladimir nabokov*
 
This isn't directed towards Jase but just some things I've observed in my experience...
Society attaches a stigma to pathologies of the mind and emotion. Where one would not hesitate to rush to a doctor when discovering a disease of the body, it seems as though the most oft prescribed remedy for the brain or heart is the river in egypt.
Maybe it's the individualistic, comparative and competitive nature of our society that makes people too insecure to admit anything that deviates them from the norm. Although I can sympathize with them I wonder how much not only their lives but all those around them is made worse by ignoring reality. Indirectly and directly. It's kind of like the classic argument against atheism and religion at once. Whether or not you believe in God does not in any way affect such a being if they exist. It is unfortunate that some only learn the folly of dishonesty with the self by letting their problems grow inordinately and then one day explode in their face. It's even worse that few understand that facing a difficulty reality may mean conflict and struggle and pain in the now...but it's all for peace in the future. More are enticed by denial, and unfortunately for them, they don't see how the gains and losses are simply reversed in terms of when they are going to happen.
This part, however, is specific to Jase...one thing you need to keep in mind is that in something as infinitely complex as neuroscience...is that while it is tempting to think of things in very specific terms...it is probably more likely that roots of problems exist on a variety of levels and not just in one dimension. You describe having anxiety attacks; which are typically reflective of deficiencies in the way your body handles serotonin. And those afflicted with anxiety disorders and / or clinical depression also demonstrate cognitive deficits ; such as impaired concentration, inability to sustain focus, impaired memory, lack of mental energy, etc. I mention this now not to freak you out and make you think the problem is even more complex than you imagined, but I think it wise to keep an open mind and make sure that no prejudices you create obstruct the truth from reaching you as quickly as possible. Because of the invested interest people have in treating this kind of thing...it tends to breed a type of mentality that cycles between periods of extreme hope and optimism and then dispair when they realize that their expectations were unrealistic and that they got sloppy along the way. Keeping an objective perspective on the issue will only be to your benefit.
Dexedrine is the d-enantiomer of amphetamine ; it only differs from Adderall in that Adderall has several other amphetamine salts in it to prolong the duration of action.
 
Before I start I'd just like to say I only just registered to BL (been reading it for months!) - but found there was so much info to soak up, I never felt the need to write any posts. But now something has changed my mind.
After reading the first post a few times, I became sort of curious as to what the symptoms on ADD were. So I checked out the www.adders.org page, and found I was able to put a tick next to almost all the symptoms. I was fully shocked, basically because someone had written a page that had basically summed up my life. I went to further research the topic - checking out links here and there... They were to confirm what I had already started to realise. I think that I, one of my two brothers and my father all have ADD or a mix of ADD a manic depressive. We haven't been diagnosed yet but from what I've read and understand, such diagnoses would appear to be the case!!
I live in Melbourne Aust, and have already acquired a referral to see a psychiatrist, but would prefer to find an ADD specialist if possible. I am wondering if anyone here would know of any ADD specialists practicing in Melbourne (apparently there is one in Caulfield). I'm extremely keen to get this sorted out as soon as possible because as soon as I read this post, (about a week ago) I was (and am still) unable to strip the ADD notion from my head!! It's fully nuts!!
Needless to say, pending the outcome of a visit with a pyschiatrist, I think I'll soon be able to discover the world in a sense I never new possible. This is just mind blowing stuff.
Pyrgon, had you not enlightened myself, I could quite possibly have continued to live my life as a closet ADDer (I know I'm getting way ahead of myself here, but it's how I feel!). I've now realised that what my older brother in fact has is not a normal mental state, and further supports what my parents have thought for a while - that he may be an ADD manic depressive - if any of you know what this pertains to, then you would know these people are EXTREMELY hard to live with! Argh now I'm rambling. What I want to say is that had I not been informed of this condition, the whole course of my life and my families would have taken a different turn - and for the worse. I can't wait to see a specialist about this. It's like a whole new world has opened up to me (inside my head), allowing me to perceive the reasons for my, my brothers and fathers behaviour. I'm in total wonder, yet shocked and relieved at the same time.
I really hope someone ends up reading this. Even if no one does, it still feels good to let it all out
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ascetane
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Take it easy, and if it's easy take it.
 
Hey, glad I could help out ascetaine. It does feel good to know that your not just fucked up huh? *chuckle* The only word of warning I have is that Many symptoms of ADD and Depression are akin, but readily recognized by a professional. So caution should be taking in suggesting a cure for something he/she/they/it
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is not suffering from.
Much luv to all of ya!
PS I was reading Deeps post above and I quote "Society attaches a stigma to pathologies of the mind and emotion. " And couldn't help but laugh my ass off. I hold deep in SUCH high respect and admiration that when he makes an imperceptibly small blunder I'm shocked to realize he is but of a sapien *chuckle* Deep you seriously kick some ass!!!!!
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PPS I pretty sure he meant Dogma, for those that think I'm wacko.
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"life is merely an illusion, albeit a persistant one" - Albert Einstein
 
I had an appointment with a phsychiatrist today. I was so psyched to get Adderol and finally see what it is to think like a "normal" person. But I made a big mistake.. I told here the truth about everthing. The entire session, all she asked was about the drugs ive done in my life... she tells me my brain is fried from ecstasy and weed. I would need to first have an appointment with a substance abuse division in the hospitol, then i will need to go though tests before she would even consider giving me a prescriotion for ADD. She even said "You can get dehydrated from ecstasy and die".
So, for all of you that are thinking of going to a doctor, DONT TELL THEM ABOUT YOUR DRUG USE! They are so closed minded! Im going to go to another doctor and totally lie! its pathetic....
pyrgon, have you or anyone else had this problem?
 
I to ohave been procrastinating about calling a doctor. Isn't that so fucking typical. I need to get off my arse.
About doctor issues, many are closed minded but not all, but you never know untill you try. My doctor knows about my smoking weed on occasion, and from his response to that I decided not to tell him about other drug use. He is cool about me smoking weed, as he thinks that it can have medicinal uses and is certainly safer to use recreationly than alcohol. He himself passed himself off as never going to do it. He is pretty conservative, but I thought that was actually an intelligent response. I have a feeling that he would be a hard ass on other substances, especially those he knows less about. Isn't that sad though, when someone traind in a field of scienc, of discovery, can put something down and be so closed monded about it when they know nothing of it. If it were me, I would at least approach it with an open mind, but then again, I already use 'harder' drugs. And E is certainly harder than weed but it is not proven to be extremely harmful. It messes with your head, and that to many is a scary thing, but IMHO, it only brings out what is already there, so you can deal with it, or use the insights gained and incorporate them into your sober life. It dies not create things that dont exist, it simply opens doors that were closed and that you may not have known existed.
Ok, END RANT
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With a small change in spacing,
Being One = Being On E
 
some of you might be interested in this link:
http://www.amenclinic.com/ac/addtests/default.asp
there are two online tests you can take to give you some idea if you might have ADD. of course, it's NOT a substitute for a clinical evaluation, but I thought it was a cool resource anyway.
btw, everything about this thread rings true w/ me, too. and now I'm finally going to do something about it. thanks for all the info and good luck to everyone.
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Bumpity bump bump bump.
"Your results indicate that you may have adult ADD."
"4/5 highly probables + 1 suspected"!!
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Ascetane
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Take it easy, and if it's easy take it.
 
In an effort to keep down some innane postings.. I have decided to bump random posts that range from normal to excellent. I am sorry if some newer posts that ARE good push down, but I (and hopefully others will bump them back). If anyone disagrees with this tell me...
SO BUMP YOU GO!!
and no.. I havent seen a doc yet damnit... stupid ADD procrastination
 
well, I finally got to my doc and talked w/ him about what I've lived w/ my entire life thanks in large part to this thread and the thoughful responses on it...
he would have given me antidepressants out the wazoo, but was really skittish about prescribing me adderall, so we ended up agreeing on him giving me a script for some 5mg tablets to try out and see if they help me at all before committing to a steady program.
from reading about a thousand web pages and information sites on ADD and the drugs used to treat it, I knew that taking 5mg probably wasn't going to do much, but I've been keeping a diary detailing exactly what is going on w/ me after I take a dose.
5mg once daily lasted me only a few hours and the positive effects were barely noticeable. 10mg once daily was better - I was much better able to focus on finishing tasks that I normally avoid, but the afternoon was hell on wheels because I felt I'd run out of steam.
this week I'm trying 5mgs 2xs daily - once in the morning, once in the afternoon. so far, I've noticed less of a good effect in the morning, but the afternoon is going better.
I'll step up to 7.5mg 2xs daily to see how that works, then 10mg 2xs daily until I get the right dose.
I had a hell of a time trying to explain why I thought I needed to be on adderall instead of say, wellbutrin or prozac, but I finally just came out and said I don't like the way antidepressants make me feel since I'm not a depressed person!
I've noticed that while on adderall, I haven't had as many headaches as I normally do and not a single anxiety attack, either! these are all things I'm writing down so that I can show my doctor how this 'trial run' is going so that he might consider giving me the correct dosage on a regular basis.
oh, he also got really weird and told me that because it's an amphetamine mixture, adderall was not something I could be on long-term...
this is something which I attribute to him not being very familiar w/ adderall or treating ADHD in general, so I most likely will pursue this w/ another doctor who is more familiar w/ treating ADHD because I'm not going to let someone's hangups about medications get in the way of getting proper treatment.
good luck to the rest of you. I know it's hard to bring yourself to make that call and schedule an appointment, but from my limited experience so far w/ adderall, I think it's going to help me a lot. maybe it will help you, too.
thanks again for this great thread!
 
ANy news on the outcomes of you peoples tryin out medications for ADD or alternative therapies.
I'd like to be on a stimulant...it's good fun, things interest you more and you experience a greater ability to focus and do things.
Doing stuff on amphetamine like essays and such is always better than just on nothin..but i guess everythin is better on amphets.
It would be good to experiment daily life on stimulants....but i guess it would cause an imbalance further on.
To feel relatively wired on amphets....could this be possible on a daily basis? And in a way that is positive for neurochemistry of the brain.... a self sustaining or maybe system that doesnt breed tolerance.
Any ideas?
All i know is that i like amphets
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pyrgon: Ihave been using adderal for the past year, I have found it to be great for studying and dancing all night.
side note: There is a great picture of you in the mpls paper about raves. it was from the rave with aphrodite.
I too made it in the spread, but they didn't get my name.
you going to tricknology?
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~glowstix, vicks and all sorts of other trix, Give us music!
MN's new sober raver.
~REV
 
I love the music in my head... It's the voices that scare me the most, they tell me to "Eat more chicken." It must be those damn cows.
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Just kidding, I'm glad you found something that works.
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"I saw a city in the clouds"
 
Thanks to this post, I found myself "diagnosed" ADD a few months ago. It was the first piece of information that alerted me to the existence of such a "condition".
Just saw the shrink again today. I was originally on Lovan (fluoxetine - Prosac) for about 2 months, however it did nothing but make me feel extremely fatigued, disinterested in basically everything (no shit) and generally flat-lined my life. I hated it, cept he kept me going on it, lowering the dosages. The fucked up thing is I knew it wasn't helping, yet he said to persist with it.
Finally today I've changed over to eplexor or exorplex or some shit; acts like an SSRI but also stimulate the noradrenaline system. I'm interested to see what everyone elses experiences have been with taking these SSRI's, whether they have made a difference at all to your cognitive functioning, whether youve had the SSRI or some other medication combined with a stimulant (adderal, ritalin etc), or whether a straight out stimulant has been the answer for you.
I feel like im being fucked around, toyed with by this shrink, yet get sucked into the "its a long process" speel. Apparently its a two stage process, first we slow down my "super super sensitivity", then if need be(!) move onto ritalin. He is an ADD specialist, so I really don't know what to do. I'll be trying out this new med (exepor or woteva) soon, but would really appreciate your thoughts!
I'm in melbourne australia. Has anyone else had such a hard time getting a "solution" or had to fuck around so much in order to get hold of something that will make a difference (ie. adderal or ritalin), be it australia or overseas?
thanks for reading my ramble. I'm in a bit of a shit having just seen the shrink and thinking that I'm never gunna get hold of the "proper meds".
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After discussing alot of these topics with my parents, they want me to go get checked. It runs in my family and anything that would get me back on track in school would be beneficial. I can't say that the drugs brought my school down, I went off track way befrore I ever tried anything, so hopefully it will work out
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~DANK~
"I try to avoid looking backwards or forwards, instead I look only upwards.
 
YEAH!!! I just got prescribed Adderal!! thanks for the post!
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WARNING: We have broken the reality barrier, your armor defies the laws of physics.
"By dancing within the seclusion of darkness we discover parallel realities where solutions to seemingly unsolvable problems are possible." ---Wilbert Alix
 
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