Opioids is it worth getting hypogonadism but taking opioids everyday?

[bookshelf1]

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Hypogonadism from opioids is a problem, not as bad as the addiction or homelessness etc but it is one. Specially because in some (?) like me it lasts long after the opioid has been discontinued. I have been off morphine or any opioid (currently relapsed on kratom but don't feel that one does much in regards of testosterone) for around a year and stuff like intolerance to cold, clamminess, muscle wasting in favor of fat depots etc. has never stopped. Did bloodwork and my level was on the low end. I think knowing this before might have been a reason not to go in opioid maintenance as I'll either now have to infinitely bear the condition or accept weekly injections, either of which I'm not fond. There'd be the possibility to use transdermal testosterone but these are hard to get and expensive in my country, importing pure test to roll my own isn't possible either.

If not for the listed symptoms then you guys should care about permanently losing your libido in turn for premature ejaculation. This combo kills any activity in bed, and it appears to be permanent (though I blame the SNRI venlafaxine, which I quit as well, more for the premature ejaculation than the opioids but I'm not sure).

can i ask how much was your opioid usage?can you tell me your dosage and duration?had you any drug holidays?and how many holidays you had?
i thought it isn't permanent...from what i heard sexual glands in men develop hormones almost in all ages.and when i put the opioid away i get erection and high sexual desire after couple hours and i always get nocturnal emission at that night.it is strange to me what you said.i thought if i have one drug holiday after couple weeks of drug use, my glands will make enough hormones to prevent hypogonadism.

 

[Painful One]

Keep going every day and you won't give a fuck about low t or anything else except the opioid. Same old story, same ending.

Man, that is the truth.
I feel like I lost 10 years of my life.

I am really SO FUCKING GLAD that I do not want opioids at all now.

Young man O.P.- Get off the opioids.
Seriously, they will steal your life from you.
So much that is better in life.
You really will not have much of a life if you keep taking opiates everyday.
Go get some help and come off using suboxone or something,
They can make it comfortable-ish now days.
You are way too young!
plenty Of time for opioids when you are old and need them to work!

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

you can ask yourself does the behavioural distraction and alteration in consciousness make up for side effects and loss of time and money
I have from time to time played with thought of starting opioid therapy, I have several reasons for that
Then things like possible hypogonadism mixed with diminishing returns turn me off

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

In general principle, if benefits aren't obvious and persistent, I don't see point of doing the medicine/drug every day because in the end it just messes me up for nothing, then.

 

[Painful One]

I know it is an attractive path you guys.
But, really, they turn on you and start making you feel bad.
They do not even give you the benefits that were so attractive anymore.
But, now you are a slave to it.
Money, body, life, mind, and soul,

Turn around.
WARNING!

 

[bookshelf1]

Man, that is the truth.
I feel like I lost 10 years of my life.

I am really SO FUCKING GLAD that I do not want opioids at all now.

Young man O.P.- Get off the opioids.
Seriously, they will steal your life from you.
So much that is better in life.
You really will not have much of a life if you keep taking opiates everyday.
Go get some help and come off using suboxone or something,
They can make it comfortable-ish now days.
You are way too young!
plenty Of time for opioids when you are old and need them to work!

i understand what you guys trying to say.i am not a hippie or some drug dealer who just insist to say opioids are good at all.
but i think its upon eachself to weight out the risks and benefits.sometimes when i see oxycodone didn't make me feel good as i expected i get scared.
because i know it may be the end of happiness to me.i have seen many documentaries about drugs and problems it makes.
but still i think its worth for me than not using it.i don't like to have a normal life.

you can ask yourself does the behavioural distraction and alteration in consciousness make up for side effects and loss of time and money
I have from time to time played with thought of starting opioid therapy, I have several reasons for that
Then things like possible hypogonadism mixed with diminishing returns turn me off

i know but i wanted to see what people think.hearing opinions makes us to think with more open mind.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

when was it?how old was your drug using habit at that moment?

Finally got off methadone about 2015 after 20 years of opiate addiction. Didn't succumb to full blown dependence until I was 30, having started using heroin at 18 and other substances even earlier. Just because you can control your use after 5 years means nothing mate.

It WILL get you in the end...

 

[bookshelf1]

Finally got off methadone about 2015 after 20 years of opiate addiction. Didn't succumb to full blown dependence until I was 30, having started using heroin at 18 and other substances even earlier. Just because you can control your use after 5 years means nothing mate.

It WILL get you in the end...

thankyou for your advice but i need more information if you want to compare me with yourself.
if you mind to tell me:
had you any drug holidays or did you used opioids everyday?and what was your dosage?how many times a day?did you have any important disease?

 

[plumbus-nine]

can i ask how much was your opioid usage?can you tell me your dosage and duration?had you any drug holidays?and how many holidays you had?
i thought it isn't permanent...from what i heard sexual glands in men develop hormones almost in all ages.and when i put the opioid away i get erection and high sexual desire after couple hours and i always get nocturnal emission at that night.it is strange to me what you said.i thought if i have one drug holiday after couple weeks of drug use, my glands will make enough hormones to prevent hypogonadism.

I was on 600mg/d morphine for about a year, before 60mg/d methadone for another year and during some months additional BDPC/bromadol. But mostly just the maintenance opioids and used peroral, sometimes extracted & snorted but no IV. I agree that it's weird that I got the hypogonadism so strong (test was at the lower end, so technically not hypogonadism yet but I get many of the symptoms). I was on venlafaxine for many years and discontinued it in the same time frame as the morphine, it was a bitch to come off but I managed it and while there were some spikes during withdrawal, now my libido is abstinent, I am afraid of taking a shower because of the clammy coldness I end up in every time, it sucks. And I grew belly fat when I was lean all my life before although most ppl on opioids are rather slim.

 

[Painful One]

i understand what you guys trying to say.i am not a hippie or some drug dealer who just insist to say opioids are good at all.
but i think its upon eachself to weight out the risks and benefits.sometimes when i see oxycodone didn't make me feel good as i expected i get scared.
because i know it may be the end of happiness to me.i have seen many documentaries about drugs and problems it makes.
but still i think its worth for me than not using it.i don't like to have a normal life.

i know but i wanted to see what people think.hearing opinions makes us to think with more open mind.

Okay, I have an open mind.
Tell me your reasons for wanting or needing opiates everyday.
I took them for chronic pain, back pain and leg pain, neck pain and migraines, after car accident.

Are you hurt or just feel like they help you or what?
sway my opinion.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

thankyou for your advice but i need more information if you want to compare me with yourself.
if you mind to tell me:
had you any drug holidays or did you used opioids everyday?and what was your dosage?how many times a day?did you have any important disease?

I really can't be arsed to be honest. We're talking over 4 decades of polydrug addiction here and my memory is rather sketchy to say the least.

But attributing a low sex drive to hypergonadism when in reality you're just too gouched out to perform is probably stretching things a little...

 

[Painful One]

 

[bookshelf1]

I was on 600mg/d morphine for about a year, before 60mg/d methadone and during some months additional BDPC/bromadol. But mostly just the maintenance opioids and used peroral, sometimes extracted & snorted but no IV. I agree that it's weird that I got the hypogonadism so strong (test was at the lower end, so technically not hypogonadism yet but I get many of the symptoms). I was on venlafaxine for many years and discontinued it in the same time frame as the morphine, it was a bitch to come off but I managed it and while there were some spikes during withdrawal, now my libido is abstinent, I am afraid of taking a shower because of the clammy coldness I end up in every time, it sucks. And I grew belly fat when I was lean all my life before although most ppl on opioids are rather slim.

oh dear..i am very sorry to hear that.
how old are you now? do you do any treatment for that hypogonadism like problem at this moment?i have read some articles about chinese herbal medicine helping people for hypogonadism.

Okay, I have an open mind.
Tell me your reasons for wanting or needing opiates everyday.
I took them for chronic pain, back pain and leg pain, neck pain and migraines, after car accident.

Are you hurt or just feel like they help you or what?
sway my opinion.

it makes me a little more cheerful and makes me to have hope for tomorrow and future when i go to sleep each night.if i don't take drugs i'll feel like i am a brick in the wall with no good thing in my life to be happy with it.altough it doesn;t work everytime as we all know. but still its better to be happy sometimes than not happy ever.

I really can't be arsed to be honest. We're talking over 4 decades of polydrug addiction here and my memory is rather sketchy to say the least.

But attributing a low sex drive to hypergonadism when in reality you're just too gouched out to perform is probably stretching things a little...

i don't use opioids all day.even if i did i had those days which i used once a day oxycodone and i saw my sex drive is lower for the whole day than my drug holidays.i watch erotic movies more when i don't use opioids.and i noticed a funny thing happening when i put opioids away suddenly some sexual thoughts come to my mind which makes me wonder where did it come from?for example last night i couldn't sleep for hours i don't know for what reason but after couple hours of thinking about my memories in school suddenly one of the porn movies i watched before this year came to my mind.now i know when my body needs something it makes my mind to think about it hiddenly.

 

[Painful One]

So...it is depression that is really the problem .
I know, I have had that condition for a very long time too.
Suboxone is a good alternative.
It is really helping my depression.

You are so young.
Please think twice about this.
Your whole life will be consumed by opiates.
It is no fun.
Withdrawal all the time.
You do not know the depths of taking opiates everyday for years.
I am trying to save you from that.

Think again young man.
Go buy some new clothes instead, a car.
Go find a pretty girl or guy...whatever you prefer.
Find a partner in life and have a life.

 

[plumbus-nine]

how old are you now? do you do any treatment for that hypogonadism like problem at this moment?i have read some articles about chinese herbal medicine helping people for hypogonadism.

I'm in the mid-thirties. Ironically are steroids OTC around here so I could just go and buy some gel sachets or vials for injection but next to no pharmacy carries it and if then prohibitively expensive. I don't want to depend on injections so transdermal would be the option to go, I even knew where to order some pure powder test but I can't legally import it into Mexico (which, again ironiclaly, happens to be one of the worlds biggest drug corridors). For whatever it's worth I voluntarily went into opioid maintenance when I wasn't even that dependent on opioids but I had a huge dissociative habit and needed something legally prescribable so I asked them for methadone, one positive urine sample and bam I was enrolled. I would probably have decided otherwise had I known that there are (semi)permanent effects.

Yeah, TCM has some interesting herbs but most of these I looked up so far weren't available here. What herbs do you have in mind?

And depression is indeed also a problem of hypogonadism/low testosterone but hard to tackle down, I feel better since I quit my SNRI antidepressant venlafaxine but I sleep 12+h a day and could certainly use a cognitive/emotional booster.

 

[bookshelf1]

I'm in the mid-thirties. Ironically are steroids OTC around here so I could just go and buy some gel sachets or vials for injection but next to no pharmacy carries it and if then prohibitively expensive. I don't want to depend on injections so transdermal would be the option to go, I even knew where to order some pure powder test but I can't legally import it into Mexico (which, again ironiclaly, happens to be one of the worlds biggest drug corridors). For whatever it's worth I voluntarily went into opioid maintenance when I wasn't even that dependent on opioids but I had a huge dissociative habit and needed something legally prescribable so I asked them for methadone, one positive urine sample and bam I was enrolled. I would probably have decided otherwise had I known that there are (semi)permanent effects.

Yeah, TCM has some interesting herbs but most of these I looked up so far weren't available here. What herbs do you have in mind?

And depression is indeed also a problem of hypogonadism/low testosterone but hard to tackle down, I feel better since I quit my SNRI antidepressant venlafaxine but I sleep 12+h a day and could certainly use a cognitive/emotional booster.

oh...i didn't know...sometimes i wished to live in mexico or other countries around it,because i thought there are a lot of drug dealers in there so i could have any amount of drugs whenever i want.can't you order from some illegal trafficers?there should be a lot of them in mexico.i tried some of them in my country but they demanded a lot of money which i don't have.

last night when i was awaken from a dream, i thought why did i argue with some people about if drugs are good to me or not?i thought it is obvious,if they make me out of my mind they are bad.unless they make me crazy everything is fine.i have mental problems when i go to sleep sometimes.hallucinations and weird thoughts come to my mind.and at that point i just regret for my life that why i don't think about how blessed i am when i am awaked.why i don't think about how things can go wrong in a matter of seconds.and i just laugh at myself that i thought i can tolerate DMT and other powerful stuff that mess with mind.
low hormones and physical problems is a joke in comparison to hallucinations and loosing reality.

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

even that dragon heroin i used before.i don't think i will be like that.

Said every junky ever!

You are not going to get hypogonadism from doing opioids, they might drop your t a bit but so does not getting enough sleep.

Hypogonadism happens when your testes are producing almost none or zero t, and this will only be the result of either a serious condition or turning them off by consuming exogenous t or t-like compounds.

You should be concerned about becoming a junky not your t levels. You can boost your natural t levels by getting lots of sleep, doing plenty of exercise (but not too much) and eating certain foods.

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

Having read the thread further it has to be said that you are absolutey ripe for spiraling on to full blown opioid addiction, you would do well to wake up and smell the coffee.

 

[bookshelf1]

Said every junky ever!

You are not going to get hypogonadism from doing opioids, they might drop your t a bit but so does not getting enough sleep.

Hypogonadism happens when your testes are producing almost none or zero t, and this will only be the result of either a serious condition or turning them off by consuming exogenous t or t-like compounds.

You should be concerned about becoming a junky not your t levels. You can boost your natural t levels by getting lots of sleep, doing plenty of exercise (but not too much) and eating certain foods.

you gave me the best advice here.i've read some scientific studies about what you said but i wasn't sure.from what i've heard and saw on documentaries,most people say i won't be junky before using heroin.but after that they all get junky.so i think if i have passed that leveli'll be fine probably.

 

[bookshelf1]

So...it is depression that is really the problem .
I know, I have had that condition for a very long time too.
Suboxone is a good alternative.
It is really helping my depression.

You are so young.
Please think twice about this.
Your whole life will be consumed by opiates.
It is no fun.
Withdrawal all the time.
You do not know the depths of taking opiates everyday for years.
I am trying to save you from that.

Think again young man.
Go buy some new clothes instead, a car.
Go find a pretty girl or guy...whatever you prefer.
Find a partner in life and have a life.

soboxone(buprenorphine and naloxone) has a lot of side effects.it has something like hypogonadism but worse.i've heard someone took it and his body deformed after awhile.
i suggest to see wikipedia's page

Buprenorphine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

EDIT: that guy i've heard from was talking about buprenorphine,im not sure if soboxone is better or not
wikipedia says it is similar:
Side effects are similar to those of buprenorphine and other opioids.

Buprenorphine/naloxone - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org