kemikals
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psychetool, it is pretty obvious that it might be safe to shoot psilocybin crystals in a close to pure form, however, this kid(and large percentage of people) do not posses the skills and knowledge to extract pure psilocybin. With that said he is talking about 'shroom tea'. Here is the evidence...
"Boiling mushrooms would destroy some alkaloids. I would not boil them, I would put them in water that was recently boiled. Psilosin/cybin do not instantly break down in heat, but rather, they deteriorate quicker in oxygen and heat, the hotter the quicker the deterioration. So I would soon ingest/IV the solution after the mushrooms have been exposed to heat."
" was considering however, to make a mushroom tea as described, using very little water and perhaps just one stem. Strain shroom a few times, and use a cotton filter while loading the syringe. Inject IV and see if any effects."
See, it's pretty fucking clear that he's asking about the tea not a pure form, otherwise he would inquire about the procedure to isolate the psilocybin(which is not done by boiling and straining).
As for the heroin thing, please tell me where heroin was mentioned in this thread, you can't cause it wasn't, it's not part of this argument, so your point is not valid.
As for placing judgement on this guy, search all his posts, they contain nothing but misinformation and ignorance, he said "there was nothing wrong about IVing APAP" in another thread. The reason why i'm passionate about this debate is in my 3+ years i've never seen such moronic questions and answers by anyone(and there have been many trolls here), this guy is worse than epharmacy. It's simple, if you ask if shooting shroom tea is safe and almost everyone except you say that it's not then you post that your gonna try it anyway:
"I think what would happen if I tried to IV mushrooms this way is that I probably wouldn't feel anything, given that there may not be enough psilocyin in the syringe to create a trip. Who knows. I'm considering doing this though sometime soon."
If you don't think that that's plain dumb then your plain wrong. psychetool, I respect you as you have contributed to this community, but this guy has not he has set us back, and i'm wondering why your sticking up for him.
Basically, if the question from the begining was "can i iv a pure form of psilocybin?" then there would be no discussion as that would be safe, however, he did not ask that question, he asked if he could bang shroom tea. It's all plain and simple, do me a favor read through his posts and tell me this guy isn't plain stupid and it pisses me off when amongst inteliigent drug discussion this guy comes with this garbage and reenforces the brain dead druggie stereotype. If you want to make this a serious discussion respond to every point each side has and not omit the shit i'm clearly right about and don't bring up shit that has nothing to do with this debate i.e. heroin.
Edit: You mentioned that the extraction can be done "easily", maybe if your a Czechoslovakian scientist or Shulgin, even Shulgin says "Efficient extraction apparently requires patience." You and me both know this kid doesn't have what it takes to do an efficient extraction. Also Shulgin isn't even sure if the crystals are pure, he just guesses that they are as said here.
"As to the identity of the crystals that were drifting around in the cooled Soxhlet receiver, from their being insoluble in ethanol, and white, and transparent, I would guess that you are seeing pure psilocybin."
So not only is the extraction a whole process but then IVing what may or may not be pure is just dangerous and stupid to attempt escpessially by this kid. Also, can you tell me why just eating the shrooms isn't satisfactory, and have you(psychtool and Creative) ever IVed psycadelics it's not something everyone can handle.
"Boiling mushrooms would destroy some alkaloids. I would not boil them, I would put them in water that was recently boiled. Psilosin/cybin do not instantly break down in heat, but rather, they deteriorate quicker in oxygen and heat, the hotter the quicker the deterioration. So I would soon ingest/IV the solution after the mushrooms have been exposed to heat."
" was considering however, to make a mushroom tea as described, using very little water and perhaps just one stem. Strain shroom a few times, and use a cotton filter while loading the syringe. Inject IV and see if any effects."
See, it's pretty fucking clear that he's asking about the tea not a pure form, otherwise he would inquire about the procedure to isolate the psilocybin(which is not done by boiling and straining).
As for the heroin thing, please tell me where heroin was mentioned in this thread, you can't cause it wasn't, it's not part of this argument, so your point is not valid.
As for placing judgement on this guy, search all his posts, they contain nothing but misinformation and ignorance, he said "there was nothing wrong about IVing APAP" in another thread. The reason why i'm passionate about this debate is in my 3+ years i've never seen such moronic questions and answers by anyone(and there have been many trolls here), this guy is worse than epharmacy. It's simple, if you ask if shooting shroom tea is safe and almost everyone except you say that it's not then you post that your gonna try it anyway:
"I think what would happen if I tried to IV mushrooms this way is that I probably wouldn't feel anything, given that there may not be enough psilocyin in the syringe to create a trip. Who knows. I'm considering doing this though sometime soon."
If you don't think that that's plain dumb then your plain wrong. psychetool, I respect you as you have contributed to this community, but this guy has not he has set us back, and i'm wondering why your sticking up for him.
Basically, if the question from the begining was "can i iv a pure form of psilocybin?" then there would be no discussion as that would be safe, however, he did not ask that question, he asked if he could bang shroom tea. It's all plain and simple, do me a favor read through his posts and tell me this guy isn't plain stupid and it pisses me off when amongst inteliigent drug discussion this guy comes with this garbage and reenforces the brain dead druggie stereotype. If you want to make this a serious discussion respond to every point each side has and not omit the shit i'm clearly right about and don't bring up shit that has nothing to do with this debate i.e. heroin.
Edit: You mentioned that the extraction can be done "easily", maybe if your a Czechoslovakian scientist or Shulgin, even Shulgin says "Efficient extraction apparently requires patience." You and me both know this kid doesn't have what it takes to do an efficient extraction. Also Shulgin isn't even sure if the crystals are pure, he just guesses that they are as said here.
"As to the identity of the crystals that were drifting around in the cooled Soxhlet receiver, from their being insoluble in ethanol, and white, and transparent, I would guess that you are seeing pure psilocybin."
So not only is the extraction a whole process but then IVing what may or may not be pure is just dangerous and stupid to attempt escpessially by this kid. Also, can you tell me why just eating the shrooms isn't satisfactory, and have you(psychtool and Creative) ever IVed psycadelics it's not something everyone can handle.
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