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Alcohol How can I use a week off work to stop alcohol use?

I haven't had a drink in a few days.

But today I got in a fight with my partner because she wanted me to buy her beer cause she doesn't drive and had to go to work.

I am upset cause I feel like this isn't something she should ask if she was supporting me.

Am I just being petty and on edge from not drinking or is this a legitimate thing to be upset about.

I got her 24 tall cans and filled up the fridge cause it is always me who does it.
I dunno.

Unfortunately this is a reality you're going to have to come to terms with for the rest of your life. Is your partner being insensitive or ignorant to your situation here? Yes. I'd be pissed if it were me.

But you will encounter this exact situation over and over again for the rest of your life since alcohol is both legal and socially embraced.
 
Depends on how aware your partner is of your problem and the gravity of your situation. Do they think you're just trying to cut down for health or do they really know that you're treating this like an addiction?

Plus how much do they drink? Would the average person consider their habit a bad one? If so living with them and quitting will be a very uphill battle.
 
I haven't had a drink in a few days.

But today I got in a fight with my partner because she wanted me to buy her beer cause she doesn't drive and had to go to work.

I am upset cause I feel like this isn't something she should ask if she was supporting me.

Am I just being petty and on edge from not drinking or is this a legitimate thing to be upset about.

I got her 24 tall cans and filled up the fridge cause it is always me who does it.
I dunno.
As Snafu says, you will have to realize that other people drink. In my case, it was not the closest people in my life to me, so that helped. People would often get defensive when I told them I did not drink.
After a while, I figured out my "line", I knew what to say.
"I had (have) a drinking problem. It doesn't mean you do. My drinking has nothing to do with yours."

That being said, people do have to respect your wishes/struggle. They shouldn't offer you a drink, etc..
In your wife's case, maybe she can have you pick up the booze less often (larger batches) and only because it seems to be necessary that you do it. She could also put it away herself.
I dunno. You can't tell her what to do, realize that. But, she could try to help as she can.

It was a milestone for me when I could be at a place with much drinking and not have it tempt me. The most important thing to me was going out to jazz bars again and enjoying myself while not drinking (booze). That was not the case for a while, but it felt very good to get there.
 
Gabapentin has been shown to reduce cravings and lower the number of drinks per day.

I am prescribed it 300mg 3x/day specifically to prevent heavy drinking.

Since I started on gabapentin, I can stick to 2&1/2 to 3 drinks a day 80-90% of the time.

I have been hospitalized for withdrawal multiple times from 12+ shot a day drinking.

Gabapentin is a lifesaver.

Gabapentin is amazing for reducing cravings AND withdrawal for both gabaergics and opioids. The only problem is, it is physically addictive itself, and taking it every day means you'll have to withdraw from it if you choose to stop taking it. I'm on gabapentin myself at the moment, I have taken it regularly (but not enough for dependence) for years, but I started taking it every day to help with quasi-withdrawals (ie, intense anxiety and sleeplessness, but not full-blown/dangerous) from flubromazepam (I took it once a week for 7 weeks, but since the half life is 100 hours, I was always on it during that time - avoid flubromazepam unless you're addicted to benzos already and trying to taper. A shame because it's the only benzo I have ever actually found recreational).
 
I try not to preach too much, but for the record, I am a member of the 12-Step cult :)

I went to detox, rehab, psych wards... I've probably had 1,000,000 dollars spent on money in terms of hospitals, emergency room revivals, detoxes and that's probably a low number. What did it was a totally free program run by the inmates themselves. That's really telling. No money involved and the 12-steps actually "fix" more people permanently than anything else, although there is no data for this I can refer too, it's pretty much known in the addict community. You meet people who all of the sudden have jobs, aren't hooking and look great and you say "oh, they must have got religion, fucking idiots in their cult" (that's what I used to say!!!).

It only asks you to be honest with yourself and the world and to treat others kindly. The rest of the program is simply about programming you to do these things. Programming isn't the right word. It's about sharing knowledge of the fact that honesty and kindness are the way one should live. There's a lot less smoke and mirrors to the whole thing than many non 12-steppers believe there are.

It's one hour a day ~5 days a week for 6 months. Then most people who "get it" will go to a couple of meetings a week, gladly and willingly, maintain relationships with others etc. The most important part comes when the student becomes the master. How beautiful is it to think that not only might you one day be sober and free... totally free and that you will not only get to hold that feeling tightly, but give it to another scared, ashamed, broken person like you once were.
You mean those freaks that asssume you can just stop without medical aids.

Stopping abrupt Alcohol and/ or Benzo's could mean death or epeleptic insults. Sorry but they are wrong, its not Heroine or Coke. Tapering is essential
 
Gabapentin is amazing for reducing cravings AND withdrawal for both gabaergics and opioids. The only problem is, it is physically addictive itself, and taking it every day means you'll have to withdraw from it if you choose to stop taking it. I'm on gabapentin myself at the moment, I have taken it regularly (but not enough for dependence)
What is the sort of average daily dosage threshold for gaba in terms of dependence? My friend has just been prescribed it for nerve pain at quite a low dose, she's also on amitriptyline which I assume has some negative interactions at higher dosages of gabapentin.
 
You may or may not be physically dependent on that amount. It's best not to take chances though honestly i would just hit up a doctor for some benzos to taper that way. Alcohol wd is nothing to fuck with
 
You mean those freaks that asssume you can just stop without medical aids.

Stopping abrupt Alcohol and/ or Benzo's could mean death or epeleptic insults. Sorry but they are wrong, its not Heroine or Coke. Tapering is essential

You're right man. It's 100% never recommended by any 12-Step program I've ever been to that one should withdraw in dangerous conditions. Most people will start the program after this process is over or their symptoms otherwise allow them to participate.
 
What is the sort of average daily dosage threshold for gaba in terms of dependence? My friend has just been prescribed it for nerve pain at quite a low dose, she's also on amitriptyline which I assume has some negative interactions at higher dosages of gabapentin.

I'm not entirely sure. Probably any level of usage that is taken every day will produce some level of dependence eventually, but obviously high doses will do so more quickly and more severely. Typically, people are prescribed 900mg a day (3x300mg doses), and this will definitely produce dependence, but not right away. Some people also report that they experienced no withdrawal at that level, even after being on it for a long time, but most people do.
 
You're right man. It's 100% never recommended by any 12-Step program I've ever been to that one should withdraw in dangerous conditions. Most people will start the program after this process is over or their symptoms otherwise allow them to participate.
My NA group was a bit weird, warm but seemed like a sekt. That doctrine they have. But most annoying the leader was more busy with himself then helpful.

And unknowlng about sudde Alcohol WD's, and Benzos and their dangerous consequensis.
 
My NA group was a bit weird, warm but seemed like a sekt. That doctrine they have. But most annoying the leader was more busy with himself then helpful.

And unknowlng about sudde Alcohol WD's, and Benzos and their dangerous consequensis.

It's really up to the person.

I see guys in there inermittently who are clearly still experiencing withdrawal, chattering teeth, sweating, bug-eyed with anxiety. I always give those people a ton of credit before showing up. I never would be able to truly participate if I were withdrawing from Alcohol. I tend to go inside myself like a fortress when I'm sick.

That just meant going through the worst of it for a week or two and then starting after that. You can still be really involved even if you're homebound. You can talk to people on the phone, have them come over, whatever you want. Then, when you're ready to go to the room full of people, you can try that out.

One thing that is ironic about AA is that nobody is ever going to fight for you to stay. Sure, people will send out a "everything going okay?" text a few times when they notice you're going off the furrow, but the policy is essentially to let people do whatever they want. The program can't be forced on people anyway, so that would make it all a waste of time.

Maybe we can open up a myths and misconceptions bit over in our recovery forums. I'm often pretty surprised by what people believe regarding 12 steps. I don't think it comes from arrogance or idiocy. You have your drugs and that's your life. Anytime you hear of an organized, concerted effort to take that from you is going to make people uneasy and distrustful.
 

That's a pretty dark and honest observation. I have a sense of humor. I'm not grossed out by sex. However, there is certain language that you see people use that makes you do a double take.

I'm not a woke warrior either. I'm pretty much over political correctness. Still, referring to all women as "pussy" is not appropriate for our forums man.

You can discuss sex without turning into such clearly negative remarks. I understand you're fucked up rn. Maybe check it out when you sober up. It's not a good look at the very least.

13th stepping is one of the biggest obstacles to long term success for many people. It's often joked about, but the practice of dating new members is highly destructive for all involved.
 
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That's a pretty dark and honest observation. I have a sense of humor. I'm not grossed out by sex. However, there is certain language that you see people use that makes you do a double take.

I'm not a woke warrior either. I'm pretty much over political correctness. Still, referring to all women as "pussy" is not appropriate for our forums man.

You can discuss sex without turning into such clearly negative remarks. I understand you're fucked up rn. Maybe check it out when you sober up. It's not a good look at the very least.

13th stepping is one of the biggest obstacles to long term success for many people. It's often joked about, but the practice of dating new members is highly destructive for all involved.
I edited out his inappropriate comment so your post lost a bit of its context. But the comment is still valid for all members so its still makes sense and is relevant.
 
Hi @V82 :)

You're usage of Alcohol is definitely not even on the other half of the spectrum for what is commonly seen. You mention 7-8 beers... I know dozens of people who drink 40+ drinks per day. This is relevant, because it puts you in a good position to move against your problem on your own as planned. You're capable of doing it.

The fact that you mention taking regular days off from drinking despite chronic intake, as this implies you're much less likely to experience epileptic incident/seizure as a result of quitting. Literature is going to describe a lot of individuals who are trigged to seizure by quantities as you've described, but this sort of thing is far more common in women than Men. We are all aware of a woman's greater impact in regard to Alcohol due to their physiology (more fat) and some other issues. At any rate, it would be uncommon for an otherwise healthy male to have serious problems trying to quit at this usage.

The Physical Issue

If you're interested in medication-aids in this process, Benzodiazepines would be the go-to in a medical setting. In prior decades the notion of giving an Alcoholic a couple of month's worth of Lorazepam (Ativan) to see if they wanna give it a shot at home. For what it's worth, this was pretty sound advice for an Alcoholic who is employed, maintains their health and family and had a bona fide relationship with the physician, but things are much different now. The only way for most to obtain this sort of care is through personal trust with the doctor, if this is you, great, try it out.

Benzodiazepines are drugs that mimic the effects on the body produced by Alcohol. Benzodiazepines come in the form of tablets and rarely as an oral solution, either way, it's very easy to titrate the dosage by breaking tablets and so on.

Most Alcoholics will attempt to moderate their drinking in a similar, planned mathematical way, but in practice, it is much more difficult for someone whose drug of choice is Alcohol to control this. With the Alcohol you have the smell, the taste, the feeling in your belly telling you you're about to feel better... etc. I believe the understood fact that ritualization further entrenches addiction. Also, the effects of Alcohol come on quickly in general compared to oral medication due to Alcohol's chemical effects on the stomach. You're typically already feeling a good shot 5 minutes after taking it and you can already be smashed 15 minutes after a strong drink. Even most oral medications are going to have less of that "boom".

Benzodiazepines will allow you to experience the symptoms of withdrawal with less intensity while also allowing you to cut out the consumption of Alcohol immediately and forever if things go well. The ideal way of using these drugs would be to medicate at a heavier rate over the first 48-72hrs post-Alcohol, as these typically the most difficult.

If you want anymore advice on the use of Benzodiazepines to withdraw from Alcohol, we can talk about that. That discussion is its own can of worms and is best done on an ongoing basis based upon what is required for you to manage your symptoms. Likely, we can toss some numbers/dosages at you to start with and you can tailor based upon your needs. To shoot from the hip, I'd say:

Day 1

10mg Diazepam 2x per day w/ potentially 5mg more at night if sleep is too fitful

Day 3

5mg Diazepam in two dosages and one dosage of 10mg Diazepam based upon your needs (are mornings harder or evenings, that kind of thing)

Day 5

5mg Diazepam at both ends of AM/PM

Day 7

5mg Diazepam at most critical time, likely for bed, with another 5mg Diazepam as a rescue should you really need it.

Day 7-9

No Diazepam, but with the idea in mind that this plan is not tailored to you, you might do better with another day, you might also be fine in 5 days. This is just a basic idea, but I'd gladly send it to the bank and count on it cashing for someone of your description and experience.

The Mental Side

If Alcohol is a problem for you and your wife, it is unlikely that you will ever be able to return to a type of drinking in which other areas of your life are not made to suffer the cost. It just doesn't work that way. I personally consider the idea of trying to quit to be pointless if the idea is clearly in your mind that you're not done with Alcohol. It makes it a no-less of a noble effort, but it will not actually lead to the positive change in your life that you're desiring.

If Alcohol is making your life difficult, it's better to just be done with it completely.

You need to find something in your life that takes the place of Alcohol. I think daily programs like the 12 Steps are great for this purpose, as they put a placeholder in your life that you can hope to grow from and reestablish the ability to enjoy yourself through means other than Alcohol.

You're probably not ready to do something as hardcore as AA, but I'd highly recommend it.

For you, that might just mean reconnecting with people you've forgotten as you've partied that were once important to you. The biggest thing is not to be isolated with yourself(s). Go out, do things, experience things, reengage in hobbies. Perhaps you once enjoyed making music or hiking. Maybe your dog is feeling lonely as she hasn't been walked as much as she used to. At any rate, there are things out there waiting to make you feel happy and accepted and they're waiting.

In the beginning, like the first week, it's not easy to go to dinner parties when you're drenched in sweat and feeling the fear of Alcohol, but that doesn't mean you can't start. Often, the best way to start is by telling other people of your intentions. You might be surprised who is willing to come and keep you company if they know you're trying to do some good for yourself.

It won't work if you just say, alright, day 1 and sit yourself on the couch and stare at the clock.

There are a ton of other people out there, especially chronic Alcoholics who live just to take on other Alcoholics. If you call the hotline, you'll have a dufus at your house in 20 minutes who will not only understand your situation on a visceral level, but he or she had been where you are now. Getting someone like that attached to you and in your life and business is sometimes required.

Opinion

I know people who say they quit Heroin spontaneously following an Acid Trip (bullshit). I've known people whose minds were cured by a trip to a Native American sweat lodge. I know a lady who says jogging, yes, jogging is what cured her of her chronic Methamphetamine addiction. Her and other former Meth addicts in this little town in Missouri now jog around the town as a group. It's pretty strange, but also pretty beautiful.

People are cured by having children. They see their baby and that's enough, they're done. Mothers who stop the day they become pregnant.

Everyone is going to give you a slightly different version of their opinion, but I think the point stands that having something truly meaningful to you in your life is what is required. Getting over the physical effects are arguably the simplest part of the process. Most of us here with the knowledge could tell you exactly how much of this or that to take to mask your symptoms, get you through the week like nothing. You have to find something in yourself worth not drinking over.
WTF:!!!
This just hit it out of the park!! Yes he is my friend, and has helped me GREATLY!!
But as a member of AA and on off NA for 40 years, This man just explained the whole thing of the Addiction to Alcohol. Alcohol is my DOC, I know due to relapse after a few 24hrs sober ( 192,720 of them Lol LOl 22yrs, and picked up again)
 
Hmm maybe I'm wrong then, but I thought what with alcohol's short duration, on your 3-4 days off you'd be waking up shaking and potentially having seizures/hallucinations if you were truly dependent.
I personally have went through periods of what I'd call alcoholic drinking, not like a litre of vodka a day, but 2 bottles of wine or 4-8+ pints, yeah occasionally the better part of a bottle of whiskey a day, but the worst I got was cravings and insomnia.
But yeah your mileage may vary but if you've had days off without throwing seizures maybe just cutting down by a beer a day would work.
Not sure throwing benzos in the mix and getting labelled medically as an alcoholic would be my first port of call, but the other posters have made me doubt my credentials here.
I thought medical detox was only needed for all day drinkers, but do some research cos I would hate to be giving you dangerous advice.
@deficiT @F.U.B.A.R. you guys will know better than me.
Are you talking about the little 330ml beers or pints? Cos that would be more serious. Maybe medical detox would be safer, but I'm not sure you need to put yourself through that if you're determined to quit.

Alcohol is a fuckin weird drug in my opinion. I've pushed my luck with it since 2010, which is when I stopped using heroin (funny that, innit?). We're talking almost daily use of vodka, wine, 9% lager and anything else I could get my hands on. Often for weeks at a time and 24 hour drinking .

Although I've managed to abstain for several days and even one dry period of 3 months in that time, I've never experienced any withdrawal other than sweaty anxiety for 24 hours. Certainly nothing compared to heroin withdrawal in severity.


When I start to dry heave in the mornings, that's when I know to curb my use.

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you are unlikely to get withdrawal from things like beer as it's usually necking spirits that leads to dependency.

You may just be one of these people that don't get hangovers...a hangover puts me right off drinking and would never want to drink again till at least 2 days later.

See if you can find yourself something else to do
 
My detox was done at a clinic and they tapered with diazepam. Which worked really well . They tapered the diazepam in 7 days i think

First 3 days were hellish but after that i improved rapidly. Way better then my diy tapers using rc benzodiazepinen. I do feel inprisoned at times, rules/ blood/ pee and blowtests. But the therapie is usefull and sobriety is the goal . Yeah i feel this is a turning point, no cravings and kinda proud to leave that shit hole i was in forgood

edit: the diazepam was probably 5 day's thinking back but they don't use the Ashton Manual, they just knock you out. They started with an way to high dose imo (80 mg/ 20x20x40) then after that very rapidly tapered you. But because of the halflive, at day 13 it still showed up urine test. Day 7 I was still intoxicated after 2 days off, powerfull stuff.
 
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Gabapentin 300mg (3X daily)
Diazepam 5mg (morning & night)
Clonidine 0.1mg (half a scored tablet in morning, other half before bed)

Those 3 items taken together would help Significantly…..adjusting dose to your body weight/tolerance, etc
 
Well I can conclude the Detox to fast and the 'so called' treatment doesn´t adress the problem only the symptom addiction.

And the after treatement, there I learned about lazyness. Nothing to do did watch good movies. Their program excisted of a sport or other session at 1 an 1/2 week intervals at max. Waste of time but very learnfull experience.
 
One week Is not enough, u need anticonvulsant, diazepam or clonazepam to prevent seizure. My friend who is alcoholic had 2 seizures cause of attempt to cold-turkey alcohol.
 
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