EDIT: I had not read your lack of training. I'm not trained either, but I know expensive equipment that I want when I see it, so I figured someone with that level of equipment would know about it. So forgive the above and the below, however, this does not take away from my sincere desire to know what's actually happening and to establish the product being created, and the chemical that is being transformed. Because I cannot verify the first without knowing what the actual reagent was.
@stuffmonger: Forgive me, but I DID read the whole thread, and I did transpose some of other people's works onto you, that acetobacteria thing, I won't bother checking, but I'll accept I transposed.
Secondly, you are correct that sugars are NOT strictly required, but again, you are correct, BASE elements are enough, but Sodium is not free in that reaction mixture I'd wager. All those elements are bound up, and not all are readily accessible to all organisms, I am not a biologist, I will not comment further than this:
You are right that no BROTH is needed, nor SUGAR is needed, however, you assert here:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showpost.php?p=9092820&postcount=48
And the same thing about 96 hours, but that it is not as good, and show a picture of it being darker.
If we are to accept a bacterial connection, do you believe it'd be able to live solely on that evaporating pile of 'MDPV' that it's slowly changing? I am again no biologist, you could possibly argue that there are still Sodium Carbonate salts in there, and trace elements from the water (dunno if you're using purified or not), and that trace elements IS enough for fungal spores to germinate, and create a mycellial network.
I'm asking now, and being very particular about what questions I have about this method.
Now then, if you are trying to 'oxidize' or 'hydroxylate' the end product, both of which ARE indicated in Metabolism studies for MDPV, by heating the freebase and bubbling in air, and then slowly evaporating correct?
And the colour continues changing when it's continueing to evaporate, based on the difference from 72-96 hours colouration and effects correct?
So, what's left over in the water?
Just base elements wrapped up probably as NaCl, NaCO3, and H2 right? With some O2 in there?
But the colour CONTINUES to change after 96 hours of drying....
I dunno, It'd be useful if some method was used to verify what you are getting actually IS MDPV.HCl and not an MPPP or any analogues of such things, which are all gaining popularity since 2000.
Also, this colouration change from highly active to not very active is disturbing.
How do you stop the process from over doing it after it's evaporated?
I mean, oxygen will continue, as will organisms even if it's ground right? And the point of the evaporation was to dry it? Do you do some kind of oven baking to 'kill off' the bacteria to stop the reaction?
All I'm asking for is more than just pictures of some supposed thing happening.
I mean, you know what a writeup looks like, you know how a chemical reaction procedure is written.
And I'd just like to verify that the starting material is MDPV.
And why is it this degradation product is better seemingly with the white 'mixed' in since the colour darkens from the degradation contiuing for whatever method.
Just a lot of questions.
Speaking of which, got some info on the metabolism pathways of this bacteria you think is in charge of this reaction? Because I'd be interested to see why it's attacking MDPV freebase and not any others that I've seen freebased that are in similar ways.
