Hey everyone, I'm just posting on here again since I was the one who 'revived' this thread just because of my own interest in the subject. I guess I just wanted to say that while it is very unlikely that my short stints of abusing stimulants have led to a case of heart failure similar to the original poster's - there were about 8-10 instances, an instance comprising a 24 hour span, of me doing 100-200 mg dosages of Adderall spread throughout 8 months, which only amounts to about a twelfth, or somewhere in there, of the amount of abuse the Original Poster did with Adderall, and just with Adderall at that - nonetheless, yeah, the effects which stimulants can have on your heart, or just on how you perceive the workings of your heart function, are certainly scary. For me, I can definitely relate to some of the earlier posters on here about how just the frightened perception that there might be something messed up with your heart after doing more stimulants than you should have is enough to make you get off all drugs. I mean, personally, I was really just a pothead, a severe pothead at that, and basically I did Adderall off and on in a recreational manner without any major problems until the second half of my going too far with Adderall - this only amounted to about 3 of those 8-10 times I mentioned earlier. This second set of times I weighed in at 215 lbs, mostly muscle but some water-weight too, and, basically, also, during this time, I had stopped working out, to deal with exam stuff, for the first time in four years. While I have been able to work out again, and build back about half the muscle I lost already, nonetheless, yeah, I got scared off doing amphetamines, and drugs in general as well, after that last run-in while not working out. I also saw an earlier post about how you can keep a healthy ticker with doing this stuff if you keep a dutiful workout regimen - I'm not going to answer totally to that, I think that's going way beyond any kind of knowledge I can hold claim to, but, still, I will say that the only time I thought I had problems from doing Adderall, which was in singularly spaced out abusive amounts, don't get me wrong, I know, it was when I wasn't working out at all, which was also quite unusual for me personally - I would never taken a break if it wasn't for being inundated with collegiate work at the time. Since getting back into the gym two months ago, and after having dealt with my last Adderall experience five months ago, right before Xmas, I've been completely fine - now I'm just pissed off about how if I could take back just a couple of days of messing around with stimulants again, after a six month break from my first time abusing it for a few days, I could easily at least still be smoking with a clean conscience now - now, however, I just feel guilty about it (smoking) so I'm staying clean for peace of mind if not peace of physicality as well, I suppose it's a relatively small price to pay so whatever, although I'm able to go about my day to day normally I certainly do miss that herbal state of mind, which I only felt pressured to supplement with stimulants due to taking college work I didn't have much interest in. Then again, neither life, in a holistic sense, nor society interests me much either - pretty stale stuff, in my opinion - but that's obviously beside the point to this conversation.
Anyway, I know that I'm just talking around myself and adding on to my personal story so far here, as the reviving poster, but, also, I did want to say that, yeah, from what I've read up on on both Erowid and here on Bluelight, for the original poster to have gotten to the state of stage 1 heart failure, although I certainly wouldn't rule out the possibility that one could get heart failure or disease, or just heart problems in general, from abusing the amounts of Adderall he did over the course of a year - which seemed to amount to doing 1200 mg (60 times 20 IR pills a months) in the periods of a week to two weeks, averaging at 100-200 mg a day, for a total of around at least 70-80 days collectively - and, really, I wouldn't rule that possibility out at all, especially dependent on weight and various other factors which I can't begin to enumerate here in my amateur analysis, it does seem like the MDMA, cocaine, and meth would have each played large contributing factors as far as stimulant intake is concerned. I'm saying this especially concerning the original poster's age, which seemed to be 23 during his year of stimulant abuse, which is relatively young. I have definitely read of users of Adderall/speed getting major heart problems - heart attacks and full on heart failure - within the short duration of just a year or so of heavy use but these users have tended to be relatively older, usually in their early 30's, i.e., a full decade older than the OP. I have read several cases of young people, say, from 20-24ish, undergoing similar heart problems, e.g., becoming hospitalized due to having mild heart attacks or undergoing severe cases of anxiety, etc., due to Adderall use, but, usually, it comes after at least 2-3 years of dealing with speed or related substances (usually in noticeably abusive quantities, and for extended periods of time) - for example, the most similar case to the original poster's that I found online was of a boy who extensively had used MDMA for several years as a late teen, taking around a total of at least 500-600 X pills, before embarking on a year or so of using/abusing speed of some kind or other (Adderall or methamphetamine) before undergoing cardiac arrest and hospitalization at the age of 22. I did notice the OP stated that they had a love affair with MDMA - this seems to imply relatively heavy use of that substance? Clearly, this is just conjecture on my part, though. What I'm trying to get at, ultimately, is that I wanted to go ahead and amend my questions for the OP when they see my revitalization of this oldish thread:
1) Did you really just use all these speedy substances, MDMA, coke, meth, and Adderall, within the period of a year, or did you abuse Adderall on top of having already dealt with these other drugs beforehand, and for how long?
2) Also, along similar lines, and more to the point, I mean, you talked about the relatively exact amounts of Adderall that you used/abused..what about meth, coke, and MDMA? Especially the meth and the MDMA seem to be pertinent as you noted that you only did 'light' use of cocaine, but any insight would prove helpful.
Also, I wanted to go ahead and say that the reason that I saw this thread in the first place was that, after the last time I did more Adderall than I ever needed to, I didn't really have chest pains, but I just felt like a failure at life, mainly because I wasn't smoking pot, I wasn't working out for the first time in seemingly forever, and because I never needed to even use Adderall in the first place, let alone abuse it, and, further, I was just scared out of my mind over thinking about the rest of my life and everything tied together with that. From what I've read up on in the last few months, although I got deeper into amphetamine usage certainly more than I ever meant to, there sure are a lot of people who have got it way worse than me, especially considering that I'm fine now, just living my life sober like I was before I smoked pot and working out, getting back my muscle. So yeah, I thought this was an important post to revive in a communal sense because of how the OP is dealing with VERY real life consequences related to stimulant use/abuse, and this clearly shows that the youngish, at 18-24 or so, are certainly not invincible, in fact, we can be even more vulnerable to the effects of drugs or diseases if only because we are often too carefree or ignorant of what could happen to our bodies/minds long-term. Also, it helps debunk the myth that it has to take years upon years of doing particularly destructive substances (note that amphetamines, meth and coke are all some of the worst things for your body to intake) before you incur substantial bodily damage - this is clearly a falsehood, and any such notion should be dispelled in the media - of course, society/culture tends to gloss over such matters. I won't be surprised if my generation dies off faster than any previous in America if only because we have all the resources to binge majorly on destructive substances, such as stimulants (and ESPECIALLY with Adderall, considering that it's prescribed and everything - I mean, the OP had a prescription at the start of this!), but we're still perfectly inundated with this sense of being able to avoid the inevitable, which, obviously, is a falsehood. Ain't trying to be preachy, just saying. Hope the OP responds sometime. I'd definitely like to know/hear about where they are at in there life and, as well, receive a little more elucidation on how they got to where to they got, exactly. Not trying to pry, just trying to find out for anyone else out there reading on.
