Gibberings ver. CCXVII - More Mouth Than A Cow Has Cunt

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Is that the queen Elizabeth hospital in Birmingham?

 

[apocalypse_when]

Is that the queen Elizabeth hospital in Birmingham?

No mate its not unfortunately. However, the insides of one hospital look very much like another. Same bed clothes, bed, equipment etc. etc.

 

[Inso]

Hi all.

Fucking lobotomized after 10mg Oxy and one little joint of some ridiculous weed strain. Not sure which, the bloke mumbled it at me but I was too mashed to understand so simply grunted my approval. Am beginning to appreciate why America has such an Oxy epidemic. I'd not want to be in the position of having a regular supply, I can certainly see a lot more addictive potential than any other drug I've ever taken. Not possible to take more than occasionally here, so rock on!

What are you people ingesting this evening?

 

[Limpet_Chicken]

Oxy is an odd one as far as opioids go IMO. At once extremely reinforcing, but subjectively, IMO, with little to reccomend it in a recreational sense.

I find my oxy script (10mg IRs, oxynorm or shortec) always vanishes faster than my morphine one, despite the fact I find morphine or dipropionylmorphine far more recreational and reinforcing consciously, the unconscious/subconscious part seems to disagree and not give two flying fucks about the fact that either of the latter are FAR more recreational and rewarding than oxy at any dose I've tried ever has been.

I used to be on OC80s, but actually asked to change med for that reason, not that I was open about the fact. More recreational and (IMO) wider precursor potential. Shooting a few of those would have me nodding, but no rush at all to speak of, Taking 80mg IR spaced out (or at least supposed to be, It sometimes has other ideas however). Was formerly half that, using morphine as my main pain med and the lower dose oxy for breakthrough. Had to be increased for a fair while some time back after I sustained a corrosive burn to my left eye that almost blinded me (and did a fair job of burning me from forehead to upper torso as it did).

My GPs seem maddeningly unpredictable. At once bitching me out for being a chronic pain patient and at the same time just ignoring the fact that something being treated with an increased dose had come, and gone, left with just a bit more photosensitivity than is usual for me.

 

[invegauser]

do i wanna know how much mouth anyone here has?

or how anyone knows how much cunt a cow has for that matter?

 

[Wilson Wilson]

Hi all.

Fucking lobotomized after 10mg Oxy and one little joint of some ridiculous weed strain. Not sure which, the bloke mumbled it at me but I was too mashed to understand so simply grunted my approval. Am beginning to appreciate why America has such an Oxy epidemic. I'd not want to be in the position of having a regular supply, I can certainly see a lot more addictive potential than any other drug I've ever taken. Not possible to take more than occasionally here, so rock on!

What are you people ingesting this evening?

Never got the hype on oxy. I even recently bought about 30-40 of the fuckers (40mg's) and went through them real quick due to rapidly increasing tolerance, then I had to manage the rattle using codeine linctus and kratom. In the end decided oxy ain't worth the bother and went back to getting DHC off those dodgy online pharmacies. I far prefer DHC to oxy. Better euphoria imo, tolerance still builds but not nearly to the same level, and it's much less likely to kill you.

On that note...

 

[steewith2ees]

Pill porn.

I had my first proper poppy nod from 2 of those back when I started nursing. They're wasted on people who use morphine standard opiates but having never had much experience with oral poppies aside from morphine sulphate products and methadone I would give these things full ratings any day, provided one has a moderately low tolerance and uses them sparingly. They used to be a first line treatment for short detox's provided the patient was coming straight from short acting drugs like heroin and were not already beholden to methadone until buprenophine ruined this aspect, although I am sure it must have been for the best as despite there use for rapid reduction they were no good for maintenance, requiring massive amounts several times a day and being more susceptible to abuse than methadone or bupe.

Despite it being unlikely that I will ever get any rec value out of them alone again they still cut through the class a standard stuff - towards the end of my first year of addiction, where I was still loaded enough to smoke through an 8 ball every 72 hours or so, I was having regular issues dealing with the effect ceiling from the heroin, something that I have always experienced with the drug regardless of my dependency status. Regardless of whether I am in the midst of a physical habit or just chipping, I find that I can only get super high for 2 or 3 days in a row after which a tolerance break is required and usually desired, as I get terrible hangovers from long sessions over consecutive days, just as with any other drug.

That first Christmas after I developed a habit though, found me having smoked so much I could get no more effect, unless potentiated. Having come into a nice cache of 120mg DHC XR caplets (which I believe may be the strongest dihydrocodeine oral product going) I did not see them as anything more than a potential stop gap in case of scoring issues but beinb the greedy douche I am I took one anyway before attempting to hit the foil again. Incredibly, it enabled the heroin to start having an effect again although admittedly no where near as profound as was possible. How it managed to find any free opi - receptors are beyond me but I have real belief in having, at least personally, an effect ceiling for heroin but absolutely no expertise or real insight into the bio - chemistry involved.

 

[Inso]

Never got the hype on oxy. I even recently bought about 30-40 of the fuckers (40mg's) and went through them real quick due to rapidly increasing tolerance, then I had to manage the rattle using codeine linctus and kratom. In the end decided oxy ain't worth the bother and went back to getting DHC off those dodgy online pharmacies. I far prefer DHC to oxy. Better euphoria imo, tolerance still builds but not nearly to the same level, and it's much less likely to kill you.

Never tried DHC properly. Although I find codeine to be pretty underwhelming even at 200mg+ doses. How does DHC compare?

I first tried strong opiates like Morphine/Oxy last year (for legitimate pain but obviously fun too lol) and honestly the first few times I really didn't see what the fuss was about. Now on like the 5th time of trying Oxy and I finally 'get it'. Although I've only had actual medically prescribed doses. What dose of Oxy do recreational users who want to get wrecked on it normally take? I very much doubt I'd take more than 10mg, I don't have many and they are great for the pain I'm in when it flares up now and then. Also I got withdrawal effects from a month on tramadol earlier in the year, even mild withdrawal from that was fucking horrible so no desire to repeat that.

I still feel fairly high on the Oxy now 13 hours after last dose and I have a sort of hangover coming on. It's ridiculously powerful stuff! The addition of god's green herb creates quite a euphoric feeling. They need to hurry up and prescribe me fucking cannabis oil, it's more effective than opiates for neuropathic pain and about 3 million times safer...

 

[apocalypse_when]

Never tried DHC properly. Although I find codeine to be pretty underwhelming even at 200mg+ doses. How does DHC compare?

I first tried strong opiates like Morphine/Oxy last year (for legitimate pain but obviously fun too lol) and honestly the first few times I really didn't see what the fuss was about. Now on like the 5th time of trying Oxy and I finally 'get it'. Although I've only had actual medically prescribed doses. What dose of Oxy do recreational users who want to get wrecked on it normally take? I very much doubt I'd take more than 10mg, I don't have many and they are great for the pain I'm in when it flares up now and then. Also I got withdrawal effects from a month on tramadol earlier in the year, even mild withdrawal from that was fucking horrible so no desire to repeat that.

I still feel fairly high on the Oxy now 13 hours after last dose and I have a sort of hangover coming on. It's ridiculously powerful stuff! The addition of god's green herb creates quite a euphoric feeling. They need to hurry up and prescribe me fucking cannabis oil, it's more effective than opiates for neuropathic pain and about 3 million times safer...

It kind of depends regarding the dosage. When i was prescribed it a few years back I would take huge dosages as my tollerance was very high. I dont like going into details of exact dosages as it tends to look like dick sizing and makes you sound like a certain member here who just constantly bullshits about how much he takes and makes himself look rediculous.. but my prescribed dose was 160mg twice a day with another 80mg a day for breakthrough but I'd often take much more. During my recent stay in hospital though, i was on a 100mcg/hr fentanyl patch before I went in for a back problem and was in the unfortunate position where they didnt want to give me much more even though my pain level had increased substantially due to the new injury. I finally got them to give me 20mg of oxycontin twice per day and 20mg of oxynorm liquid maximum of every 2 hours for breakthrough and although i didnt think this would do anything, it really helped. I think when your in a lot of pain you feel even a small dose as the pain relief is euphoric in itself...

So the answer of how mucb do people take can vary massively but I'd say 10mg every 4 hours or so (and Im referring to WAKING hours so prob a maximum of around 40mg per day) of IR oxy is a good starting point and 20mg every 12 hours of the oxycontin extended release...

I'd say that's a starting point.

 

[Inso]

It kind of depends regarding the dosage. When i was prescribed it a few years back I would take huge dosages as my tollerance was very high. I dont like going into details of exact dosages as it tends to look like dick sizing and makes you sound like a certain member here who just constantly bullshits about how much he takes and makes himself look rediculous.. but my prescribed dose was 160mg twice a day with another 80mg a day for breakthrough but I'd often take much more. During my recent stay in hospital though, i was on a 100mcg/hr fentanyl patch before I went in for a back problem and was in the unfortunate position where they didnt want to give me much more even though my pain level had increased substantially due to the new injury. I finally got them to give me 20mg of oxycontin twice per day and 20mg of oxynorm liquid maximum of every 2 hours for breakthrough and although i didnt think this would do anything, it really helped. I think when your in a lot of pain you feel even a small dose as the pain relief is euphoric in itself...

So the answer of how mucb do people take can vary massively but I'd say 10mg every 4 hours or so (and Im referring to WAKING hours so prob a maximum of around 40mg per day) of IR oxy is a good starting point and 20mg every 12 hours of the oxycontin extended release...

I'd say that's a starting point.

160mg twice a day? That's a monstrous tolerance. I take it those are ER ones?

After saying this morning I don't really want to repeat that, it was a bit heavy, wouldn't want to do that regularly, yada yada...I've gone and taken the same thing again along with the rest of the White Dawg megaweed. I'm beginning to think pipe smoking is vastly more efficient than spliffs. Buzzing through the legs yet perfectly sharp and functional. Had entire pot of coffee on top though.

No cigarettes for 7 entire days now. And it's not just because I'm skint. No definitely not.

 

[apocalypse_when]

160mg twice a day? That's a monstrous tolerance. I take it those are ER ones?

After saying this morning I don't really want to repeat that, it was a bit heavy, wouldn't want to do that regularly, yada yada...I've gone and taken the same thing again along with the rest of the White Dawg megaweed. I'm beginning to think pipe smoking is vastly more efficient than spliffs. Buzzing through the legs yet perfectly sharp and functional. Had entire pot of coffee on top though.

No cigarettes for 7 entire days now. And it's not just because I'm skint. No definitely not.

Well actually it was 400mg per day.. 2x80mg (extended release) twice a day and 4x20mg oxynorm instant release.. The doctor i had at the time just kept upping the dose more and more.. and thats just what i was prescribed, i was abusing it and taking much, much more than that.

It wasn't a good thing though as i got myself into big trouble when i had to come off. Thing is, if you take them regularly and have access to more and more and so aren't restricted by cash flow, you can build a gargantuan tollerance in no time at all...

I bet if you had almost unlimited access and took them every day within a year you'd be exactly where i was...opiate tollerance builds so fast its scary if you have the access and your life is in such a fucked up place that you just don't care and use them to numb the mental pain you are suffering. I had quite bad PTSD at the time and used oxycontin to avoid dealing with it...

 

[Inso]

Well actually it was 400mg per day.. 2x80mg (extended release) twice a day and 4x20mg oxynorm instant release.. The doctor i had at the time just kept upping the dose more and more.. and thats just what i was prescribed, i was abusing it and taking much, much more than that.

It wasn't a good thing though as i got myself into big trouble when i had to come off. Thing is, if you take them regularly and have access to more and more and so aren't restricted by cash flow, you can build a gargantuan tollerance in no time at all...

I bet if you had almost unlimited access and took them every day within a year you'd be exactly where i was...opiate tollerance builds so fast its scary if you have the access and your life is in such a fucked up place that you just don't care and use them to numb the mental pain you are suffering. I had quite bad PTSD at the time and used oxycontin to avoid dealing with it...

Sounds scary mate, I can't believe they kept upping the dose to that extreme.

Part of me that wants to take 3 or 4 of these Oxys (so 15-20mg) but I'm a little uneasy about it. Even on 10mg I can feel every little anxiety melting away. It's getting better each time I take it, like I'm getting to know a new friend lol. I do not have a regular supply or the means to access one, so this strip is all I have thankfully. If I had a whole box I'd end up addicted.

 

[Wilson Wilson]

When I had a DHC script I was on 240mg a day (2x 30mg four times a day). Without a tolerance that was enough to have me proper nodding with a big rush of euphoria and wellbeing all day long. Amazing feeling.

With oxy I find even if I take say 80mg without tolerance I will nod hard and all that but I won't get the same warm feeling I associate with my beloved DHC. And if I go higher on the dose I just feel sick so I quickly feel diminishing returns on oxy.

Most opiates don't actually tend to cause much nausea for me. Oxy is the exception. Makes me feel sick just thinking about it.

I just don't get along with oxy, but DHC I seem to metabolise extremely effectively and aside from the obvious itching and constipation I get barely any side effects off it.

On paper DHC is only twice as strong as regular old codeine but to me at least it is much more euphoric and not to forget it has no dose ceiling either. If you have a tolerance for smack, oxy, or something else strong you won't get much out of DHC. But if you have a low opiate tolerance you can get a real nice glow from the stuff. It is beautiful when it works its magic. Oh and mixing DHC with normal codeine is also really really nice. Mixing DHC with Oramorph is just orgasmic.

 

[apocalypse_when]

Sounds scary mate, I can't believe they kept upping the dose to that extreme.

Part of me that wants to take 3 or 4 of these Oxys (so 15-20mg) but I'm a little uneasy about it. Even on 10mg I can feel every little anxiety melting away. It's getting better each time I take it, like I'm getting to know a new friend lol. I do not have a regular supply or the means to access one, so this strip is all I have thankfully. If I had a whole box I'd end up addicted.

Yeah, the doctor was so fucking irresponsible.. I'd go and tell him thst these are not working and I'm still in pain and instead of doing the proper thing.and saying "well OK then, we'll taper you off and try some non-opioid pain treatments instead" he would just add another 40mg to my script..often writing a whole new script as the pill sizes would be mismatched and hed want them on the cheapesr combination (i.e. 1 x 80mg rather than 2x40mg as the later would be more expensive). Thats the thing with doctors though, you get one who is staunchly anti-opiate and another one who just doesn't give a fuck and acts like he's prescribing aspirin.

Honestly mate, i was going through a 2 month script in 2 or 3 weeks, going through WDs then feeling better before starting the whole process again it was crazy. I'd neck 500-600mg at once, crushing the XR ones into powder to bypass the extended release mechanism. I don't like detailing my abuse because a) I'm embarrassed by it. b) It sounds like dick sizing and c) certain people lie about these things for no apparent reason and since there's no way to prove any of it, I dont want people to think I'm doing the same...

At the end of the day though, there is absolutely zero good reason to lie about ones drug use... IMO it makes me look weak and pathetic and I'm ashamed of not only how I deceived the doctors (which when the origonal GP retired and I got new GP who was much stricter resulted in me being booted out of the practice stating "breakdown of trust" or something like that...

So that's my story, for what its worth.

 

[Inso]

That's almost like what I hear of in the States, handing them out so easily. I've got a genuine severe pain condition and I've had to hard sell doctors on just giving me a one off bottle of Oramorph in the past i.e. either you prescribe it or I'm going to the hospital, which would you prefer? Being in a lot of pain makes me a determined individual to find relief one way or another...

Maybe I'm a big pussy but the withdrawal from daily ER Tramadol 2x200mg was horrid; depressed, runny nose, flu feeling, wanting to sleep all the time, took me a few days to actually make the connection. How the fuck do you handle the withdrawal from Oxy abuse like that?

I reckon I should say fuck it and just take 15mg Oxy, only got 6 left and want to give it a good ol' go. I'm glad I have a steady girlfriend now who doesn't approve of drugs, stops me getting wrecked on drugs all the time. I just self-destruct big time if left to my own devices 8(

 

[Inso]

How is chinup doing?!

 

[Wilson Wilson]

Yeah, the doctor was so fucking irresponsible.. I'd go and tell him thst these are not working and I'm still in pain and instead of doing the proper thing.and saying "well OK then, we'll taper you off and try some non-opioid pain treatments instead" he would just add another 40mg to my script..often writing a whole new script as the pill sizes would be mismatched and hed want them on the cheapesr combination (i.e. 1 x 80mg rather than 2x40mg as the later would be more expensive). Thats the thing with doctors though, you get one who is staunchly anti-opiate and another one who just doesn't give a fuck and acts like he's prescribing aspirin.

I've had the same experience with doctors... there seems to rarely be a middle ground. Either they hate any controlled drug and you'll have to force their hand to even get a tiny script or they'll just throw shit at you.

When I was in hospital they were very reluctant to give me morphine. This is when I had to stay in for a week after painful surgery. One of the nurses literally said "you're trying to play me." I'm like... nah I'm in the fucking hospital, I'm in pain for crying out loud.

Once I got out though I rang my GP and got the script I wanted after one phone call, no fuss. This is the same GP who gives me the other goodies I've posted about on here so I'm lucky there. We have solid trust between us and really that is the key: a doctor who trusts you.

That's almost like what I hear of in the States, handing them out so easily. I've got a genuine severe pain condition and I've had to hard sell doctors on just giving me a one off bottle of Oramorph in the past i.e. either you prescribe it or I'm going to the hospital, which would you prefer? Being in a lot of pain makes me a determined individual to find relief one way or another...

Maybe I'm a big pussy but the withdrawal from daily ER Tramadol 2x200mg was horrid; depressed, runny nose, flu feeling, wanting to sleep all the time, took me a few days to actually make the connection. How the fuck do you handle the withdrawal from Oxy abuse like that?

I reckon I should say fuck it and just take 15mg Oxy, only got 6 left and want to give it a good ol' go. I'm glad I have a steady girlfriend now who doesn't approve of drugs, stops me getting wrecked on drugs all the time. I just self-destruct big time if left to my own devices 8(

Tramadol is especially nasty to withdraw from because of its SNRI properties. So it hits you with a double attack, not only are you getting opioid withdrawals but you are getting SNRI withdrawals at the same time which are no joke on their own. So no you're not a pussy tramadol is just fucking horrid.

 

[Jabberwocky]

How is chinup doing?!

still clean, up and down like a yoyo. thanks for asking. how are you?

just got back from a positive thinking workshop. it was shit.

 

[Inso]

still clean, up and down like a yoyo. thanks for asking. how are you?

just got back from a positive thinking workshop. it was shit.

Glad to hear you're staying clean! Yeah that sort of forced positive thinking helps some, I've never been much for it though.

I'm ok, but my aforementioned mini Oxy binge has given me a fucking comedown now. Reminds me of the MDMA days. Opiates just aren't for me.

Now weed on the other hand, that never fails.

 

[Jabberwocky]

still clean and actually not had a massive downer since wednesday. i've got a long backlog so sure something other emotions i should have felt years ago are waiting to pop up. i've discovered drugs really do only mask pain and when you stop you get everything you've suppressed in quick succession.

glad you're ok and have decided opiates aren't for you. i really think they're a not even once drug now but given you're past that i genuinely hope its never again for you cos every time you mess with them you're playing with fire and they'll sit there patiently waiting for you to run to them in a time of pain.

haha i can't smoke weed anymore i was a stoner for 10 years straight and stopped when i got on the dark, every time i smoke it now i hate it. can't say the same about b unfortunately.